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Re: PFE decals Re: Tichy Decals

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Paul and List Members,
 
Paul wrote: “They just announced a bunch of PFE decals in multiple scales this week”
 
I’m not seeing the ‘multiple scales’ part – the site mentions HO at the bottom of the referenced page. Am I missing something?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 10:44 AM
Subject: [STMFC] PFE decals Re: Tichy Decals
 


They just announced a bunch of PFE decals in multiple scales this week.
 
 
Paul
 
Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA
 


Reefer trains

Steve SANDIFER
 

We all have seen the photos of complete or nearly complete ice reefer trains going from the west coast toward the east. My question concerns how they returned empty. In high demand seasons, did the railroad give priority to taking compete trains of EMPTY cars back to the west, or were the empties interspersed with other cars in manifest freights?

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 


"X" Markings On Boxcars?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

These are links to three Jack Delano images from the Library of Congress collection that were published on Shorpy.

 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/625?size=_original#caption

 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/1502?size=_original#caption

 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/2696?size=_original#caption

 

In the background off to the left in each image are boxcars with large Xs on them. What do the X markings on the boxcars represent?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Friction Bearings

Timothy Sostak
 

Please remove this email from your group.


On Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:35 AM, "Jeffrey White jrwhite@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I am looking at IC Employee Timetable for the Chicago Champaign Districts (Illinois Division) Number 59 Effective Tuesday, December 14, 1948.  In the Special Instructions on page 21 it says this:
920. Trains shown below when handling one or more cars with friction bearing journals, will stop and make inspection as follows:
Trains Nos. 53-52-5-6 at Kankakee, Champaign and Mattoon.
Trains Nos. 19-20-21-22 at Kankakee and Gibson City.
Trains Nos. 17 and 18 at Gibson City when handled by Diesel Engines.
So at least the IC used the term "friction bearings" in their official publications.
Jeff White
Alma, IL

On 6/5/2016 3:43 AM, therrboomer@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
 I spent 40+ years on four different railroads and it was Roller Bearing or Friction Bearing on each of them.

Dick Haave




Re: Ambroid cement on e bay

mwbauers
 

While its a classic glue, its still in active production.

So you can think of it as a glue that today’s world still values.

For those that would like to try it, Des Plaines Hobby has it for a bit over $3, and I’ve seen in in the local hardware and artists supply stores. I’d bet you can order it from Amazon as well.

I have some very old models that likely are older than I am, and they are still holding together very well with that glue.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:21 PM, ed_mines wrote:


I see a dozen 1.8 oz tubes of Ambroid cement  are currently being  auctioned on you tube. current bid is $45.


I must not be the only one who finds todays model cements to be less than perfect.


Ed Mines


Re: A POSITIVE SPIN ON NEGATIVES

Paul Koehler
 

All:

 

Like Bill I only had positive encounters with my dealings with Jerry.  All small run custom decals done in a timely, fashion and to my satisfaction.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 12:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] A POSITIVE SPIN ON NEGATIVES

 

 


I like all of us am quite put off when I encounter a deal gone sour with vendors. I am probably more
vocal than most when I am dealing with a large professional enterprise. The vast majority of vendors
in our hobby do not represent a Fortune 500 company. Having been in the hobby for lifetime I have
seen many talented people get into the business as a kitchen table operation. Most have a quality
product to offer but are not prepared for the pressures and commitments required in a business.
They still have their day jobs as well as family commitments to deal with. Most offer a quality product
for a period of time and then drop out. Many feel that it would be neat to have a small business in
a hobby that they love. They are not prepared for the calls that come in at 2:00 AM asking where their
order is and demanding immediate action. This gets old very fast.

I am not aware of just why Gerald Glow exited the business but I do miss him very much. Thanks to his
efforts my rolling stock roster is much more complete and accurate than it would have been. I dealt
with him for three or four years. He produced small lettering for me that completed the lettering on a
factory pained car of a car that had been completed with other decal lines that were not complete.
There were at least two occasions that I sent a model to him to duplicate the lettering on the car
because the original car color was not accurate. He always came through in a timely manner.

I am very sorry that he left the business. I am also sorry that others did not encounter the great product
and professional service that I received. I hope that others with a quality product to offer are not deturred
from offering us their service.

Bill Pardie


Re: Decal artwork that needs saved

hubert mask
 

What art work are you needing?  MoPac historical society has steam era decals now from their store. It might be something we can add to the already list 

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals


On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:40 PM, nvrr49@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Re: Friction Bearings

Geodyssey
 

In my RRing career (switchman to ops mgt), I may have heard the term "solid" or "plain" bearing two or three times.  Car dept and C&Es called them friction bearings pretty much exclusively. "Friction bearing" was/is in extensive use. (but what do real railroaders know?)


Unless the car dept was ordering parts from a vendor, I can't think of why they would say "solid bearing".


Why should we "stick to the CBD" & a railfan term?  Who made them "official" arbiters of railroad terminology?


If you went to work as a newbie carman and used the term "solid bearing", they would suspect you of being a foamer.  (Same with turnout / switch), but that's for another thread).


I'm sure my comment will have no effect, most railfans will keep using the term "solid bearings".


Robert Simpson

ex-UP, Amtrak California, AC&J, PAR




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Any take on this?


      No one has seriously argued that railroaders did not use the term "friction bearing," only that it was not in extensive use (and was NEVER in the Car Builders' Dictionary, the official glossary of railroad terms). There were lots of everyday "railroaders' slang terms" that are not in the CBD, and many researchers, including me, feels that rather than try to make use of sometimes inaccurate or even confusing slang, let's stick to the CBD.
      The "friction" term was naturally hammered by Timken, and no doubt many picked up on it. But regardless of occasional usage Ed has found, the CBD never included it, even as a synonym. Since there is friction in both kinds of bearings, it's a silly term anyway, and doesn't really distinguish the two kinds. Roller and plain (or solid) are simple and clear terms.

Tony Thompson




A POSITIVE SPIN ON NEGATIVES

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I like all of us am quite put off when I encounter a deal gone sour with vendors. I am probably more
vocal than most when I am dealing with a large professional enterprise. The vast majority of vendors
in our hobby do not represent a Fortune 500 company. Having been in the hobby for lifetime I have
seen many talented people get into the business as a kitchen table operation. Most have a quality
product to offer but are not prepared for the pressures and commitments required in a business.
They still have their day jobs as well as family commitments to deal with. Most offer a quality product
for a period of time and then drop out. Many feel that it would be neat to have a small business in
a hobby that they love. They are not prepared for the calls that come in at 2:00 AM asking where their
order is and demanding immediate action. This gets old very fast.

I am not aware of just why Gerald Glow exited the business but I do miss him very much. Thanks to his
efforts my rolling stock roster is much more complete and accurate than it would have been. I dealt
with him for three or four years. He produced small lettering for me that completed the lettering on a
factory pained car of a car that had been completed with other decal lines that were not complete.
There were at least two occasions that I sent a model to him to duplicate the lettering on the car
because the original car color was not accurate. He always came through in a timely manner.

I am very sorry that he left the business. I am also sorry that others did not encounter the great product
and professional service that I received. I hope that others with a quality product to offer are not deturred
from offering us their service.

Bill Pardie


Re: Beer Reefers for Everyone

Chuck Soule
 

Whether for meat, produce, or beer, the Northern Pacific's first set of system-wide standard plans issued in 1889 included a 1000-ton ice house.  I do not know what locations may have constructed one, but I would suspect the main division points of the time.  The NP was certainly shipping fruit from Washington to the midwest at an early date. 

Chuck Soule


Decal artwork that needs saved

nvrr49@...
 

Oddballs....http://mopac1.tripod.com/oddballs3.htm


Kent Hurley in KC

nvrr49.blogspot.com


Re: Red caboose -12 PFE models

Fred Jansz
 

248 R-30-12/13's according to the big PFE bible. And according to my dbase I'd need one in my model fleet.
Despite the fact that WP cars were the needles in the haystack and I would be OK with one, I have 4 of 'em because I have a soft spot for WP. My PFE collection now comprises of 42 cars, still 15 rare ones to go...
cheers
Fred


Re: e bay auctions

Chuck Soule
 

Andy wrote:  Even if the prototype is wood, I'd rather make it out of
plastic.


I came to the conclusion years ago that, at least for HO scale (and smaller),  even a weathered wood car or structure modeled out of wood does not look as nice as if done out of plastic.  This is because the grain in the natural wood is too coarse for the scale. 

Wood as the construction material would be OK for the various G scales, but even for O or S scale, natural grain of the stripwood is coarse.

Chuck Soule


Ambroid cement on e bay

ed_mines
 

I see a dozen 1.8 oz tubes of Ambroid cement  are currently being  auctioned on you tube. current bid is $45.


I must not be the only one who finds todays model cements to be less than perfect.


Ed Mines


Re: e bay auctions

ed_mines
 

Whoa!


I like these wood kits as much as anybody.


But some have seen their day. There are many models plastic models of those ACF hoppers.


I could never get the screen to lie down flat.


Almost 40 years ago I built that model (Northeastern kit). The roof walk supports were another stumbling block, getting them all in the same plane.


I also built an Ambroid (white box?) PS (?) covered hopper (GN lettering) with cast roof walks and a pair of heavy cast discharge hoppers. It is one of my favorite wood cars. The ends, with Weaver era ladder stock, look crisper than on similar plastic models.


Ed Mines



Re: Red caboose -12 PFE models

Tony Thompson
 

The PFE orange did fade toward yellow. There were certainly no 1920s yellow cars still around, as PFE shop records show.


On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:54 AM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for your answer Tony.


Red Caboose did nice kits with beautiful screening. I hope the original owner was able to make money.


On the subject of PFE reefers, the other day I saw a color Jack Delano WWII era photo of a rail yard on Shorpy, with 2 reefers, both yellow, and one was clearly PFE. 


Ed Mines



Re: Red caboose -12 PFE models

ed_mines
 

Thanks for your answer Tony.


Red Caboose did nice kits with beautiful screening. I hope the original owner was able to make money.


On the subject of PFE reefers, the other day I saw a color Jack Delano WWII era photo of a rail yard on Shorpy, with 2 reefers, both yellow, and one was clearly PFE. 


Ed Mines



Re: Friction Bearings

Jeffrey White
 

I am looking at IC Employee Timetable for the Chicago Champaign Districts (Illinois Division) Number 59 Effective Tuesday, December 14, 1948.  In the Special Instructions on page 21 it says this:

920. Trains shown below when handling one or more cars with friction bearing journals, will stop and make inspection as follows:

Trains Nos. 53-52-5-6 at Kankakee, Champaign and Mattoon.

Trains Nos. 19-20-21-22 at Kankakee and Gibson City.

Trains Nos. 17 and 18 at Gibson City when handled by Diesel Engines.

So at least the IC used the term "friction bearings" in their official publications.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


On 6/5/2016 3:43 AM, therrboomer@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

 I spent 40+ years on four different railroads and it was Roller Bearing or Friction Bearing on each of them.


Dick Haave



Re: e bay auctions

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Just returned from the Enfield NERPM meet (formerly the eastern Collinsville meet) and there was a display of five (maybe six) built Ambroid or similar kits that were very appealing. Nope, not resin quality, but still very handsome models.



Schuyler



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Some classic "junk" kits like the Ambroid ACF covered hopper kits are being offered, sometimes at premium prices. Screen roofwalks, ugh! Sealing the wood is no picnic these days either<


H-mmm. LIke any kit, If one does not know how to build it, or dislikes doing so, the end result will indeed be “junk”. For others that enjoy the challenge or accomplishment that fine kit building promises, building and finishing the Ambroid kits can be at the top of the list: It surely is on mine.



Denny





Denny S. Anspach MD

Okoboji, IA







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Re: Tichy Decals

Matthew Dowd
 

I'm glad to hear that the artwork has been passed on and not lost forever. Jerry had some very unique decals that added greatly to the Southern Pacific modeler's "tool bag." 

I'm sure that Tichy will also be a more reliable source for these decals than Mr Glow was. I ordered about $50 worth of decals from him a couple years ago, for which he cashed my check almost immediately. Needless to say, two years and multiple emails later (of which I've never received any responses) I still haven't seen my decals, or a refund.

I apologize for the rant, but I know for a fact that I was not the only one affected by this particular situation. I wish all the best of luck to the new owners of the artwork, and I'm sure I'll be ordering some of these decals in the near future. 

-Matthew Dowd

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