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Re: Hog wire

radiodial868
 

Tulle cloth (or ribbon).
Square weave for hog wire or field fence, diamond for chain link. I dye it using Rit and then then cut it to size and then dip it in thinned matte poly if I want it to be stiff.
https://www.michaels.com/ribbon/tulle/845012929
Freight Car content: woven wire fencing was shipped in boxcars.
RJ Dial
Mendocino, Ca

Re: High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

Mont Switzer
 

Well, the MONON did it differently, according to retired Monon engineer Ron Marquardt. 

 

Not wanting over dimensional loads to languish the MONON placed them  on the head end of local freight trains.  Instructions were to pass through close clearances at “walking speed only.”  The walking speed was for the head man who had to hit the ground at every close clearance and walk the car through, in full view of the engineer, ready to drop a washout signal if a collision was eminent.

 

The MONON regularly moved gun turrets on USAX (later DODX) flat cars especially fitted for this work from Louisville, KY to the Erie in northern, IN for movement east in this manner.  I’ve also head of water craft being moved between the Ohio River to the Great Lakes in the same manner.  I’m sure there were other moves.

 

The local crew had to set the over dimensional load out at each location where they performed switching duties and dutifully place it behind the rider car when they were ready to leave town.  I model the gun turret move and a “boat load” is on my list.

 

Mont 

 

Montford L. Switzer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

 

Dan,

 

Precisely!  While large loads could be moved in regular freights, "high and wide" loads often required special handling and therefore were often accumulated and moved in a single train. On the stretch of the PRR I model, the Columbia and Port Deposit branch, from Perryville MD, through Columbia PA and on to Enola, this H&W train was typically run on Sunday morning. That makes sense as it was the lightest traffic day of the week, and therefore the low speed and occasional stops to check clearance wouldn't mess up the rest of the railroad. There was also a spot at "Midway siding" where the tracks were set farther apart, to allow H&W trains to pass each other. i plan too accumulate a train of H&W loads and then run it once every 10-14 ops sessions.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?

 

Dan Mitchell

Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?

David North
 

Ben & Bruce,

Thanks for the information on the PRR stock cars.

I thought as I typed Tuscan that it might not be right so thanks for  providing the correct name.

Cheers

Dave

Hog wire

Jared Harper
 

What have the illustrious people on this list used to model hog wire in HO?

Thanks.

Jared Harper

Re: D&H Flat

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========



On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 

Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?

Bruce Smith
 

Dave,

Well, if they are really painted "Tuscan" they aren't accurate for anyone 😉. PRR's freight cars were painted "Freight Car Color" which is also an oxide red, but not the same oxide red as Tuscan.

As Ben has noted, these rebuilds into stock cars are post 1960. However, there are models of both PRR stock cars that were extant at your 1954 data. These are the K7a (Broadway Limited) which were a rebuild of the X24 boxcar and the K8 (F&C).

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David North <david.north@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
 

I checked Bowser for HO models of the K11 stock cars and they have two paint schemes.

One is all Tuscan and the other is Tuscan with a galvanised? roof and doors.

Are either or both these variations suitable for 1954?

Cheers

Dave

Re: D&H Flat

Tony Thompson
 

Dan Smith wrote:

This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital,

    Nothing wrong with an eBay listing, but why not go directly to their site and buy it from them, saving them the fee they pay to eBay? I have bought three of their loads and like them a lot. Support these guys and buy direct!


Tony Thompson



Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave North asked:
"I checked Bowser for HO models of the K11 stock cars and they have two paint schemes.
One is all Tuscan and the other is Tuscan with a galvanised? roof and doors.
Are either or both these variations suitable for 1954?"

No.  Class K11 are Class X31 subclass automobile boxcars rebuilt in 1961 in response to a rise in stock traffic.  See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman for more details.

Ben Hom

Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?

David North
 

I checked Bowser for HO models of the K11 stock cars and they have two paint schemes.

One is all Tuscan and the other is Tuscan with a galvanised? roof and doors.

Are either or both these variations suitable for 1954?

Cheers

Dave

Re: ACL low sided gondolas

Paul Doggett
 

Thomas 

I have just finished the K7 the decals were absolutely awful, thank you for your help.

Paul 



On 5 Feb 2020, at 15:24, thomas christensen via Groups.Io <thomasjonly@...> wrote:


Paul, 
 Class K-7 90950-93199, blt 1926 by ACF.
 Attached are the Lines South article from Spring 1990, 2 Larry Goolsby photos, and photos  of models I did about 25 years ago based on the Ertl model.
Tom Christensen 






















Hi

I have just started a Funaro and Camerlengo ACL low sided gondola as usual there is no photographs of the prototype and the drawing is poor has anyone got any photos of these cars in service the only number given is 92250 .

Thank you in advance
Paul Doggett    

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Re: High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Your guess is as good as mine, Tim, But certainly plausible.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 5:47 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

 


Outstanding that you caught that train Brian! The spaced out loads may have had something
to do with bridge loading limits, perhaps?



On 2/8/2020 6:35 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

I once saw a train on the SP Houston-Dallas line that had 6 heavy duty flat cars at the head of the train. They were separated from each other by boxcars, and each had a large electrical transformer. Here’s a shot of one; N&W 70182, plus three together.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 5:09 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

 

Dan,

 

Precisely!  While large loads could be moved in regular freights, "high and wide" loads often required special handling and therefore were often accumulated and moved in a single train. On the stretch of the PRR I model, the Columbia and Port Deposit branch, from Perryville MD, through Columbia PA and on to Enola, this H&W train was typically run on Sunday morning. That makes sense as it was the lightest traffic day of the week, and therefore the low speed and occasional stops to check clearance wouldn't mess up the rest of the railroad. There was also a spot at "Midway siding" where the tracks were set farther apart, to allow H&W trains to pass each other. i plan too accumulate a train of H&W loads and then run it once every 10-14 ops sessions.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?

 

Dan Mitchell

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

Tim O'Connor
 


Outstanding that you caught that train Brian! The spaced out loads may have had something
to do with bridge loading limits, perhaps?



On 2/8/2020 6:35 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

I once saw a train on the SP Houston-Dallas line that had 6 heavy duty flat cars at the head of the train. They were separated from each other by boxcars, and each had a large electrical transformer. Here’s a shot of one; N&W 70182, plus three together.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 5:09 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

 

Dan,

 

Precisely!  While large loads could be moved in regular freights, "high and wide" loads often required special handling and therefore were often accumulated and moved in a single train. On the stretch of the PRR I model, the Columbia and Port Deposit branch, from Perryville MD, through Columbia PA and on to Enola, this H&W train was typically run on Sunday morning. That makes sense as it was the lightest traffic day of the week, and therefore the low speed and occasional stops to check clearance wouldn't mess up the rest of the railroad. There was also a spot at "Midway siding" where the tracks were set farther apart, to allow H&W trains to pass each other. i plan too accumulate a train of H&W loads and then run it once every 10-14 ops sessions.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?

 

Dan Mitchell

Attachments:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I once saw a train on the SP Houston-Dallas line that had 6 heavy duty flat cars at the head of the train. They were separated from each other by boxcars, and each had a large electrical transformer. Here’s a shot of one; N&W 70182, plus three together.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 5:09 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

 

Dan,

 

Precisely!  While large loads could be moved in regular freights, "high and wide" loads often required special handling and therefore were often accumulated and moved in a single train. On the stretch of the PRR I model, the Columbia and Port Deposit branch, from Perryville MD, through Columbia PA and on to Enola, this H&W train was typically run on Sunday morning. That makes sense as it was the lightest traffic day of the week, and therefore the low speed and occasional stops to check clearance wouldn't mess up the rest of the railroad. There was also a spot at "Midway siding" where the tracks were set farther apart, to allow H&W trains to pass each other. i plan too accumulate a train of H&W loads and then run it once every 10-14 ops sessions.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?

 

Dan Mitchell

High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

Bruce Smith
 

Dan,

Precisely!  While large loads could be moved in regular freights, "high and wide" loads often required special handling and therefore were often accumulated and moved in a single train. On the stretch of the PRR I model, the Columbia and Port Deposit branch, from Perryville MD, through Columbia PA and on to Enola, this H&W train was typically run on Sunday morning. That makes sense as it was the lightest traffic day of the week, and therefore the low speed and occasional stops to check clearance wouldn't mess up the rest of the railroad. There was also a spot at "Midway siding" where the tracks were set farther apart, to allow H&W trains to pass each other. i plan too accumulate a train of H&W loads and then run it once every 10-14 ops sessions.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat
 
Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?

Dan Mitchell

Re: D&H Flat

 

Hello Dan and to others in the group,

This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital,

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Scale-Mesta-Huge-Forging-Press-Ram-Beam-Flat-Car-Load-Model-Railroad/303473590443?hash=item46a86f80ab:g:b~wAAOSwjCxeOc4j

Scroll to bottom for a photo of load on a PRR F38. Very cool.

Mark puts in service shots into his listings so take a look at others.

I am a satisfied customer too. New loads coming out at a fair rate.

And the Peacock brake wheel used on these PRR cars.Rare and distinctive.

Dan Smith

Re: D&H Flat

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Bruce:

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

Thanks again,

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Dan (other Dan),

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat
 
All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

Re: D&H Flat

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:29 PM, rdgbuff56 via Groups.Io <rdgbuff56@...> wrote:

Would you want to sell it?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 12:12:16 PM EST, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:


Bob Kelly states : "The Eastern Car Works #4700 is labeled as a PRR F38 but will build either car. The kit is an F38 but the instructions and marks on the deck parts show how to shorten the deck for the D&H version. The included decals had both PRR and D&H".

That’s interesting! Mine is in a box labeled “D&H", not PRR. So, there must have been several versions of packaging. As I earlier stated the cars are identical except for the main-deck length. I have not looked into my kit for several years (it’s buried), but it may well be true that it will build either version. However, it was definitely marketed as a D&H car, and the replies make it clear that it was marketed separately as a PRR F38. Lilekely the same kit in two different boxes. I can’t recall whether my D&H version includes PRR decals. I’ll need to dig it out and take a look.

Dan Mitchell
==========



On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Bill Kelly <wbkelly@...> wrote:

The Eastern Car Works #4700 is labeled as a PRR F38 but will build either car. The kit is an F38 but the instructions and marks on the deck parts show how to shorten the deck for the D&H version. The included decals had both PRR and D&H.
Later,
Bill Kelly


Re: D&H Flat

Dave Boss
 

Hello, and thanks for all your help on this car. I think I'll message Steve at F&C maybe it's in the works ? Dave


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:06 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Dan (other Dan),

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat
 
All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

Re: D&H Flat

Bruce Smith
 

Dan (other Dan),

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat
 
All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

Re: D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith