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Re: Beer Reefers for Everyone

Brad Smith
 

The answer is "Yes."  Much of the beer was labled "Propeller Beer."
 
Brad Smith
 

In a message dated 6/2/2016 3:05:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I agree but here’s a question about concentration on the receiving side: Did the U.S. military ship beer from U.S. ports to bases overseas? If yes one might reasonably conclude that in WWII one might see a considerable concentration of “beer reefers” headed towards embarkation ports.

Dave Nelson

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:56 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Beer Reefers for Everyone

Since cars which are conspicuous by their absence in our modeling world have been mentioned: DSDX and SLRX insulated boxcars for hauling beer from Milwaukee or St. Louis are sorely needed. Unless someone is modeling Milwaukee or St. Louis, obtaining a fleet of either is unnecessary, but everyone can use one of each no matter what part of the country is modeled.

A resin caster can make an impact here.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

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Re: Beer Reefers for Everyone

Dave Nelson
 

I agree but here’s a question about concentration on the receiving side: Did the U.S. military ship beer from U.S. ports to bases overseas? If yes one might reasonably conclude that in WWII one might see a considerable concentration of “beer reefers” headed towards embarkation ports.



Dave Nelson

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Since cars which are conspicuous by their absence in our modeling world have been mentioned: DSDX and SLRX insulated boxcars for hauling beer from Milwaukee or St. Louis are sorely needed. Unless someone is modeling Milwaukee or St. Louis, obtaining a fleet of either is unnecessary, but everyone can use one of each no matter what part of the country is modeled.

A resin caster can make an impact here.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL












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Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Alexander Schneider Jr
 


ORER listings very commonly include a range of numbers which exceeds the total number of cars. The car numbers are just identities with an order and need not be consecutive, and many such ranges have gaps.

There is a story about a lonely bachelor who wanted to improve his romantic life. In a used bookstore he found a book "How to Hug". When he bought it and took it home, he discovered it was volume 8 of an encyclopedia. "How" and "Hug" were just limits on the range of labels.

Alex Schneider



From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: [STMFC] NYC Covered Hoppers)



My October 1926 ORER has the following notes for DSDX cars.
 
 
The refrigerator (M.C.B. designation RS) cars of this Company are marked “Dairy Shippers Despatch” and “D.S.D.X.,” and numbered 200 to 999 inclusive; inside dimensions: length 30 ft. 10 in., width, 8 ft., 2 in., height 7 ft. 4 in., capacity, 1800 cu. ft., 60,000 pounds (ice bunker capacity 5800 pounds crushed ice, 4600 pounds chunk ice, 125 cu. ft. measure of capacity). Total, 240 cars.
 
This entry is dated July 1926.
 
 
There seems to be conflicting info here. The statement of “numbered 200 to 999, inclusive” does not mesh with the final note of, “Total, 240 cars.” Unless the company was receiving new reefers during this 1926 time and not all had been placed into service. Can anyone consult a 1927 or 1928 ORER for additional detail?
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 
 
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:54 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: [STMFC] NYC Covered Hoppers)
 


Hello,

Just pulled a March 1925 ORER and DSDX is listed as Dairy Shippers Despatch and had cars numbered between 200 and 999, but no total was given for the cars in service.  1925 sure predates 1951, in the article quoted below.  As probation was on, maybe the cars actually shipped dairy products or at least "near milk" from brewers.

Ted

At 09:12 AM 6/2/2016, you wrote:



http://www.ists.org/train_blog.html Scoll to the bottom and you will find this note:
Dairy Shippers Despatch
Our insulated boxcar was built by the Milwaukee Road for the Schlitz Brewery in 1951. The trucks are stamped with the Milwaukee Road designation CMStP&P, but the car body itself carried the designation and number DSDX 4299. DSDX refers to a company called Dairy Shippers Despatch (yes, spelled despatch, not dispatch), a shell company for Schlitz invented to disguise the contents of its cargo. The sides of a boxcar in the 1950s were 40 feet wide and 10 feet tall, making an excellent billboard for companies wishing to advertise their wares. But a trainload of railcars leaving Milwaukee clearly marked Miller, Pabst or Schlitz, was susceptible to break-ins by local railfans interested in the beverages being transported inside. To avoid these types of losses, Schlitz invented the Dairy Shippers name and painted all their cars in anonymous paint schemes which belied their contents. Reportedly, Dairy Shippers Despatch never shipped a dairy product, and they never lost a beer.
 
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Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Eric Hansmann
 

My October 1926 ORER has the following notes for DSDX cars.

 

 

The refrigerator (M.C.B. designation RS) cars of this Company are marked “Dairy Shippers Despatch” and “D.S.D.X.,” and numbered 200 to 999 inclusive; inside dimensions: length 30 ft. 10 in., width, 8 ft., 2 in., height 7 ft. 4 in., capacity, 1800 cu. ft., 60,000 pounds (ice bunker capacity 5800 pounds crushed ice, 4600 pounds chunk ice, 125 cu. ft. measure of capacity). Total, 240 cars.

 

This entry is dated July 1926.

 

 

There seems to be conflicting info here. The statement of “numbered 200 to 999, inclusive” does not mesh with the final note of, “Total, 240 cars.” Unless the company was receiving new reefers during this 1926 time and not all had been placed into service. Can anyone consult a 1927 or 1928 ORER for additional detail?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:54 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: [STMFC] NYC Covered Hoppers)

 



Hello,

Just pulled a March 1925 ORER and DSDX is listed as Dairy Shippers Despatch and had cars numbered between 200 and 999, but no total was given for the cars in service.  1925 sure predates 1951, in the article quoted below.  As probation was on, maybe the cars actually shipped dairy products or at least "near milk" from brewers.

Ted

At 09:12 AM 6/2/2016, you wrote:



http://www.ists.org/train_blog.html Scoll to the bottom and you will find this note:
Dairy Shippers Despatch
Our insulated boxcar was built by the Milwaukee Road for the Schlitz Brewery in 1951. The trucks are stamped with the Milwaukee Road designation CMStP&P, but the car body itself carried the designation and number DSDX 4299. DSDX refers to a company called Dairy Shippers Despatch (yes, spelled despatch, not dispatch), a shell company for Schlitz invented to disguise the contents of its cargo. The sides of a boxcar in the 1950s were 40 feet wide and 10 feet tall, making an excellent billboard for companies wishing to advertise their wares. But a trainload of railcars leaving Milwaukee clearly marked Miller, Pabst or Schlitz, was susceptible to break-ins by local railfans interested in the beverages being transported inside. To avoid these types of losses, Schlitz invented the Dairy Shippers name and painted all their cars in anonymous paint schemes which belied their contents. Reportedly, Dairy Shippers Despatch never shipped a dairy product, and they never lost a beer.
 
Doug Harding
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Re: Beer Reefers for Everyone

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---In STMFC@..., <stevehprr@...> wrote :

Since cars which are conspicuous by their absence in our modeling world have been mentioned: DSDX and SLRX insulated boxcars for hauling beer from Milwaukee or St. Louis are sorely needed. Unless someone is modeling Milwaukee or St. Louis, obtaining a fleet of either is unnecessary, but everyone can use one of each no matter what part of the country is modeled.

A resin caster can make an impact here.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



   What????   You mean you don;t like the Train-Miniature versions Steve?????  LOL


Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

pennsylvania1954
 

As usual, Richard Hendrickson could be depended upon to shed light where obscurity existed. For a much abbreviated view of DSDX and its loadings, see msg #70293 on this Yahoo group.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Douglas Harding
 

Ted the article I quoted was speaking about a specific car being restored in Fairfield IA.

 

I agree Dairy Shippers Despatch was around long before 1951. They are listed in a 1901 ORER I found on line.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

 

The brewers that remained in business during prohibition did produce very low alcohol (0.5%) beer as well as a lot of malt extract, supposedly for “cooking purposes” ;) so they probably used those cars to ship their products.


     Malt syrup and malt extract often had labels warning you that there were conditions where the stuff might actually ferment and turn into another beverage, and describing those conditions in detail. Home brewing was permitted in Prohibition, though limited to ONLY 250 gallons per year.

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Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

 

Dairy Shippers Despatch (not Dispatch) was owned by one or more Milwaukee breweries (some say Schlitz, but apparently evidence supporting that has not been found) and was specifically created to camouflage the shipment of beer so that loads would not be pilfered.  This has been noted on this list previously ;) for example in Steve Hoxie’s message 119924


      This point is also made in the authoritative book, Billboard Refrigerator Cars, by Hendrickson and Kaminski. Disclosure: we published it, and are still proud.

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Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Just pulled a March 1925 ORER and DSDX is listed as Dairy Shippers Despatch and had cars numbered between 200 and 999, but no total was given for the cars in service.  1925 sure predates 1951, in the article quoted below.  As probation was on, maybe the cars actually shipped dairy products or at least "near milk" from brewers.

Ted

At 09:12 AM 6/2/2016, you wrote:


http://www.ists.org/train_blog.html Scoll to the bottom and you will find this note:
Dairy Shippers Despatch
Our insulated boxcar was built by the Milwaukee Road for the Schlitz Brewery in 1951. The trucks are stamped with the Milwaukee Road designation CMStP&P, but the car body itself carried the designation and number DSDX 4299. DSDX refers to a company called Dairy Shippers Despatch (yes, spelled despatch, not dispatch), a shell company for Schlitz invented to disguise the contents of its cargo. The sides of a boxcar in the 1950s were 40 feet wide and 10 feet tall, making an excellent billboard for companies wishing to advertise their wares. But a trainload of railcars leaving Milwaukee clearly marked Miller, Pabst or Schlitz, was susceptible to break-ins by local railfans interested in the beverages being transported inside. To avoid these types of losses, Schlitz invented the Dairy Shippers name and painted all their cars in anonymous paint schemes which belied their contents. Reportedly, Dairy Shippers Despatch never shipped a dairy product, and they never lost a beer.
 
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
 

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Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Bruce Smith
 

The brewers that remained in business during prohibition did produce very low alcohol (0.5%) beer as well as a lot of malt extract, supposedly for “cooking purposes” ;) so they probably used those cars to ship their products.

Regards

Bruce


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On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:54 AM, STMFC@... wrote:



Hello,

Just pulled a March 1925 ORER and DSDX is listed as Dairy Shippers Despatch and had cars numbered between 200 and 999, but no total was given for the cars in service.  1925 sure predates 1951, in the article quoted below.  As probation was on, maybe the cars actually shipped dairy products or at least "near milk" from brewers.

Ted


Re: Beer Reefers for Everyone

Armand Premo
 

Sunshine produced a couple of versions of the SLRX-.Very nice looking models.Armand Premo-------------------------------------------

On Thu, 6/2/16, stevehprr@cox.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Beer Reefers for Everyone
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 10:55 AM


 









Since cars which are conspicuous by their absence
in our modeling world have been mentioned: DSDX and SLRX
insulated boxcars for hauling beer from Milwaukee or St.
Louis are sorely needed. Unless someone is modeling
Milwaukee or St. Louis, obtaining a fleet of either is
unnecessary, but everyone can use one
of each no matter what part of the country is modeled.

A resin caster can make an
impact here.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL











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Re: Beer Reefers for Everyone

Gary Roe
 

Here, here!

I'll buy the second round to that suggestion.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



From: "stevehprr@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:55 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Beer Reefers for Everyone

 
Since cars which are conspicuous by their absence in our modeling world have been mentioned: DSDX and SLRX insulated boxcars for hauling beer from Milwaukee or St. Louis are sorely needed. Unless someone is modeling Milwaukee or St. Louis, obtaining a fleet of either is unnecessary, but everyone can use one of each no matter what part of the country is modeled.

A resin caster can make an impact here.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL




Beer Reefers for Everyone

pennsylvania1954
 

Since cars which are conspicuous by their absence in our modeling world have been mentioned: DSDX and SLRX insulated boxcars for hauling beer from Milwaukee or St. Louis are sorely needed. Unless someone is modeling Milwaukee or St. Louis, obtaining a fleet of either is unnecessary, but everyone can use one of each no matter what part of the country is modeled.

A resin caster can make an impact here.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Douglas Harding
 

http://www.ists.org/train_blog.html Scoll to the bottom and you will find this note:

Dairy Shippers Despatch

Our insulated boxcar was built by the Milwaukee Road for the Schlitz Brewery in 1951. The trucks are stamped with the Milwaukee Road designation CMStP&P, but the car body itself carried the designation and number DSDX 4299. DSDX refers to a company called Dairy Shippers Despatch (yes, spelled despatch, not dispatch), a shell company for Schlitz invented to disguise the contents of its cargo. The sides of a boxcar in the 1950s were 40 feet wide and 10 feet tall, making an excellent billboard for companies wishing to advertise their wares. But a trainload of railcars leaving Milwaukee clearly marked Miller, Pabst or Schlitz, was susceptible to break-ins by local railfans interested in the beverages being transported inside. To avoid these types of losses, Schlitz invented the Dairy Shippers name and painted all their cars in anonymous paint schemes which belied their contents. Reportedly, Dairy Shippers Despatch never shipped a dairy product, and they never lost a beer.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Bruce Smith
 

Dairy Shippers Despatch (not Dispatch) was owned by one or more Milwaukee breweries (some say Schlitz, but apparently evidence supporting that has not been found) and was specifically created to camouflage the shipment of beer so that loads would not be pilfered.  This has been noted on this list previously ;) for example in Steve Hoxie’s message 119924

Regards

Bruce


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Auburn, AL

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On Jun 2, 2016, at 8:22 AM, STMFC@... wrote:



DSDX for hauling beer out of Milwaukee?
I thought DSDX reporting marks were for Dairy Shippers Dispatch.
Maybe not enough milk and milk related products coming out of Wisconsin, so they had to haul beer as well?
Oh well, whatever helps the bottom line.

Ed Bommer






Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Benjamin Hom
 

Mike Skibbe wrote:
"And DSDX is beer out of Milwaukee (Schlitz), so add 8 more cars of beer!"

This topic warrants a closer look. Modelers love the billboard beer cars, real and imagined. Looks like the actual story still needs to be told.


Ben Hom


Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

Edward
 

DSDX for hauling beer out of Milwaukee?
I thought DSDX reporting marks were for Dairy Shippers Dispatch.
Maybe not enough milk and milk related products coming out of Wisconsin, so they had to haul beer as well?
Oh well, whatever helps the bottom line.

Ed Bommer



Re: Rutland Wheel Reports - Reefers (was Re: NYC Covered Hoppers)

skibbs4
 

And DSDX is beer out of Milwaukee (Schlitz), so add 8 more cars of beer!

Mike Skibbe



On Jun 2, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Doug Harding wrote:
"The SLRX reporting marks are for the St Louis Refrigerator Car Co, originally a private refrigerator car line established by Anheuser-Busch. Later acquired by Manufactures Railway, which was also owned by A-B. Many SLRX cars were bunkerless reefers for transporting beer.
 
So Ben your list either indicates a lot beer drinkers at the destination or someone just wrote down the reporting marks wrong, http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2999020 and some of the cars are possibly Swift cars hauling meat. Of course if the meat was used to make brats it could be the beer was necessary."
 
I was thinking the same thing regarding transposition of the reporting marks.  I still need to do the car-by-car analysis to validate the entries.  If these numbers bear out, it looks like I need to get smarter about the St. Louis fleet.


Ben Hom



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