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Re: Swift Reefers

Dave Parker
 

Guy:

In his 1993 RMJ article, Martin gave the sale date as 1931.  Hendrickson and Kaminski's billboard reefer book gives it as 1930.

My 12/30 ORER doesn't exhibit any hint of the sale, but Swift is clearly listed under GA by 7/35.

I can't offhand recall any other sources on this question.  

With best regards.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: Swift Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Guy Wilber wrote:
Swift sold all their refrigerator cars to General American sometime (I believe) in early 1937. Does anyone have an exact date of the transaction? 

And of course leased them back.
.Tony Thompson _._,_._,_

Re: Swift Reefers

Guy Wilber
 

Steve wrote:

“Has anyone published any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers?  I seem to think so, but can't locate such.  I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93 article”

Swift sold all their refrigerator cars to General American sometime (I believe) in early 1937. Does anyone have an exact date of the transaction? 

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

R,_

Re: Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover

Bob Chaparro
 

You are so right. I enlarged the photo further than before and I can now see that these are normal hatch covers.
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro

Re: Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover

lrkdbn
 

No, this car has standard hatches. What is making it look like SFRD style hatches is the hatch plug laying on the roof at an angle. You can see the wood outside covers at an angle opened to ventilate the car; the open end facing the end of the car. I also have the Pullman builder's drawing for the NRC reefers and it shows "normal" hatches.
BTW thanks for bringing all these photos to our attention as you do!!!
Larry King

Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover

Bob Chaparro
 

Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover

This photo from the Library of Congress shows Northern Refrigerator Car Company reefer:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017839485/resource/

The car has two-piece hatch covers and plugs. I notice the hatch covers are in the "reverse position", similar to the design used on SFRD reefers generally before the era of mechanical icing machines.

Was this a common feature of Northern Refrigerator Car Company reefers? Did any other companies/railroads use this design?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper / Tennessee Central #8125

Steven D Johnson
 

OK, for the 2.6 people in this group interested in the TC, here's a photo of one of those ex-Lehigh Valley four-bay hoppers I mentioned in my post of 10/08/2019.

Steve Johnson
Nashville, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steven D Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 6:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper / some went to Tennessee Central and TP&W(?)

I'm glad the topic of these LV hoppers came up (again).

I have a keen interest in them because the Tennessee Central purchased 31 of these cars from International Railway Car Co. in 1956. They became TC nos. 8100-8130. As I recall, I have a photo in my TC files, and will scan and post it when I find it.

Also, TP&W acquired some (at least I assume they are ex-LV), but don't have any information on their acquisition. Just have the attached image of no. 829.

Chuck Yungkurth published a short article, "Lehigh Valley's composite quad hoppers" in the August 1997 issue of RMC. Included is a photo of one of the original composite cars and one of a rebuilt car, with HO scale drawings of both versions.

I have several of the Lionel and Hobbyline cars purchased at train shows or on eBay. Would like to eventually upgrade the models and decorate them for TC.

Steve Johnson
Nashville, TN



-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Seders
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 7:55 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?

I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking.

Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track (Weathering Models)

Bob Chaparro
 

As I segue into weathering, Bruce Smith mentioned the use of Japan Drier as an additive for painting prototype cars. In the hobby world such additives also have applications for weathering.

Artists oil paints can be used for weathering but these dry very slowly. The slow drying time also is a major complaint from modelers who don't want to wait days or even a week to work on their models. 

To speed-up the drying time of artists' oil paints, professional artists use additives. Japan Drier is one:

https://www.sunnysidecorp.com/product.php?p=t&b=s&n=72416

White Courtrai Drier is another and this is what I use:

http://tinyurl.com/yae6bu7h

I still have a lot of working time even with a drying agent but my projects usually are dry in just a few of hours.

These additives are available in art supply stores, Michaels and Hobby Lobby.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

Lowell Dorman
 

The action in the photo is pretty well documented in Glen Guerra's excellent article on painting railroad cars in the first issue of O Scale Resource magazine. It's a free, online publication you can access at oscaleresource.com. Go to back issues and download the PDF issue #1.
Lowell Dorman

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 8:55 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Don,

What is he doing then? 

You speculate that this is not painting but fail to give us any viable alternative. You also assume that the temperature is below freezing, when it could well be above freezing. I've spent many a lovely day skiing with temps in the 40s and 50s. At those temps, paint could be formulated to function. Indeed, at this same time, the PRR had different formulations of paint based on the season that contained different ratios of components such as Japan Dryer. For a blow-your-mind kind of a moment, these ingredients had an effect on the perceived color of the paint, and therefore it is likely that the as-painted color of the car varied with what season it was painted in 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 6:53 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track
 
   The snow makes me really wonder if this is a paint scene or something totally different
as I find it hard to believe that anyone would be trying to paint in a temperature that is below
freezing. Even modern stains will not provide what is desired in such weather.

Cordially, Don Valentine

MN railroad maps web page

Tim O'Connor
 

The state of Minnesota has detailed high resolution maps of railroads
in the state including valuation maps. You can search by RAILROAD to pull
up station maps etc. Pretty handy - here's the web link

  http://dotapp7.dot.state.mn.us/eDIGS_guest/DMResultSet/Index

I've attached a couple of newer Iowa DOT maps too.

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

Bruce Smith
 

Don,

What is he doing then? 

You speculate that this is not painting but fail to give us any viable alternative. You also assume that the temperature is below freezing, when it could well be above freezing. I've spent many a lovely day skiing with temps in the 40s and 50s. At those temps, paint could be formulated to function. Indeed, at this same time, the PRR had different formulations of paint based on the season that contained different ratios of components such as Japan Dryer. For a blow-your-mind kind of a moment, these ingredients had an effect on the perceived color of the paint, and therefore it is likely that the as-painted color of the car varied with what season it was painted in 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 6:53 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track
 
   The snow makes me really wonder if this is a paint scene or something totally different
as I find it hard to believe that anyone would be trying to paint in a temperature that is below
freezing. Even modern stains will not provide what is desired in such weather.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

Donald B. Valentine
 

   The snow makes me really wonder if this is a paint scene or something totally different
as I find it hard to believe that anyone would be trying to paint in a temperature that is below
freezing. Even modern stains will not provide what is desired in such weather.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

Charles Peck
 

If I were doing that painting, there would likely be both overspray and underspray as I would be in a hurry to get back to a warm crew shack.  Note the snow on the ground.
Chuck Peck

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:03 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

A photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsac.1a34633/

From the technique shown it's easy to imagine how a roof could receive some overspray.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

A photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsac.1a34633/

From the technique shown it's easy to imagine how a roof could receive some overspray.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Some B&O models and catching up

Eric Hansmann
 

My latest post covers a few completed models and some info on a few things that have been keeping me busy over the last month.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/10/12/time-out/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

Southwest Scale Productions' Doors Reminder

Bill Welch
 

Just a reminder that the excellent Southwest Scale Productions' doors are very much available through their website: http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

Just keep in mind that the proprietor also trains airline pilots and has to travel so there can be delays in shipping. 

Bill Welch
Not a spokesman for SSP, just a fan

Re: SouthWest doors sold: freight car parts offered FS

O Fenton Wells
 

Andy I'll take 2 x29 underframes and 2 roofs if still available
Fenton

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:23 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
All of the South West Scale Models dooirs have been sold. Most everything else remain available.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

I have the following parts offered for sale. All are new HO. Prices do not include shipping. Several items are in limited supply.

Red Caboose
X29 undeframe with AB brake details (this sprue has 2 AB brake sets)         $1/each
X29 Creco style 3 panel doors                                        $0.75/pair
X29 4/5/4 Youngstown steel door                                   $0.75/pair
X29 wood running boards w/ laterals                               $0.75/each
X29 roofs                                                                          $0.50/each
'37 AAR Murphy rectangular raised panel 40' roof           $2.75/each
6' wide 5-panel Superior door 10'6" IH                          $2/pair
6' wide 5/6/6 Improved Youngstown Door 10'6" IH        $2.50/pair
   These I feel are HO's best version of this common door
SUPERIOR Power Brake set                                             $3/each
 

South West Scale doors
#750 7' wide 5-panel Superior door for 10'6" IH car                $2/pair
#610 6' wide 5/5/5 "Overnight" interim improved YSD for 10'0" IH $2/pair
#622 6' wide 6/6/5 "Upside Down" improved Youngstown door  $2.50/pair
#770 7' Wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#672 6' wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#673 6' wide wide 3rd 7-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                $2/pair
#650 6' wide 5-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                               $2/pair     

Intermountain
5/6/6 Improved 6' wide Youngstown steel door                      $2/pair
5/6/5-T pre-war Youngstown 6' wide door 10'6" IH               $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught 3/4 "rolling Pin" end                          $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught thin+3/4 "rollinPin"no pole pocket    $2/pair
PACEMAKER Dreadnaught thin+3/4 end w/ poling pockets  $3/pair
6' wide even space Superior door 10'0" IH                             $2/pair
4/5 early Dreadnaught 4/5 ends 10'0" IH                                $2.50/pair
8-rung ladders for 10'0" IH                                                      $2.50/set
Apex etched metal running boards for 40' box car                 $3/each

Buyer to pay $4 and up for USPS shipping by padded envelope 1st class mail. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. contact me off-list (Please) for availability and your shipping questions at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson



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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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SouthWest doors sold: freight car parts offered FS

Andy Carlson
 

All of the South West Scale Models dooirs have been sold. Most everything else remain available.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

I have the following parts offered for sale. All are new HO. Prices do not include shipping. Several items are in limited supply.

Red Caboose
X29 undeframe with AB brake details (this sprue has 2 AB brake sets)         $1/each
X29 Creco style 3 panel doors                                        $0.75/pair
X29 4/5/4 Youngstown steel door                                   $0.75/pair
X29 wood running boards w/ laterals                               $0.75/each
X29 roofs                                                                          $0.50/each
'37 AAR Murphy rectangular raised panel 40' roof           $2.75/each
6' wide 5-panel Superior door 10'6" IH                          $2/pair
6' wide 5/6/6 Improved Youngstown Door 10'6" IH        $2.50/pair
   These I feel are HO's best version of this common door
SUPERIOR Power Brake set                                             $3/each
 

South West Scale doors
#750 7' wide 5-panel Superior door for 10'6" IH car                $2/pair
#610 6' wide 5/5/5 "Overnight" interim improved YSD for 10'0" IH $2/pair
#622 6' wide 6/6/5 "Upside Down" improved Youngstown door  $2.50/pair
#770 7' Wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#672 6' wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#673 6' wide wide 3rd 7-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                $2/pair
#650 6' wide 5-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                               $2/pair     

Intermountain
5/6/6 Improved 6' wide Youngstown steel door                      $2/pair
5/6/5-T pre-war Youngstown 6' wide door 10'6" IH               $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught 3/4 "rolling Pin" end                          $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught thin+3/4 "rollinPin"no pole pocket    $2/pair
PACEMAKER Dreadnaught thin+3/4 end w/ poling pockets  $3/pair
6' wide even space Superior door 10'0" IH                             $2/pair
4/5 early Dreadnaught 4/5 ends 10'0" IH                                $2.50/pair
8-rung ladders for 10'0" IH                                                      $2.50/set
Apex etched metal running boards for 40' box car                 $3/each

Buyer to pay $4 and up for USPS shipping by padded envelope 1st class mail. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. contact me off-list (Please) for availability and your shipping questions at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson

Re: Close-out freight car parts offered FS

rdgbuff56
 

I will take 4 pair of each Intermountain rolling pin dreadnought end.  Let me know price with postage.   Need address to send USPS m.o.

Can you get me 4 Intermountain 50' PS roofs?  Paid 90 for custom cast doors and need roofs. 

Francis A.  Pehowic,  Jr. 

On Friday, October 11, 2019, 7:46:36 PM UTC, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


I have the following parts offered for sale. All are new HO. Prices do not include shipping. Several items are in limited supply.

Red Caboose
X29 undeframe with AB brake details (this sprue has 2 AB brake sets)         $1/each
X29 Creco style 3 panel doors                                        $0.75/pair
X29 4/5/4 Youngstown steel door                                   $0.75/pair
X29 wood running boards w/ laterals                               $0.75/each
X29 roofs                                                                          $0.50/each
'37 AAR Murphy rectangular raised panel 40' roof           $2.75/each
6' wide 5-panel Superior door 10'6" IH                          $2/pair
6' wide 5/6/6 Improved Youngstown Door 10'6" IH        $2.50/pair
   These I feel are HO's best version of this common door
SUPERIOR Power Brake set                                             $3/each
 

South West Scale doors
#750 7' wide 5-panel Superior door for 10'6" IH car                $2/pair
#610 6' wide 5/5/5 "Overnight" interim improved YSD for 10'0" IH $2/pair
#622 6' wide 6/6/5 "Upside Down" improved Youngstown door  $2.50/pair
#770 7' Wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#672 6' wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#673 6' wide wide 3rd 7-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                $2/pair
#650 6' wide 5-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                               $2/pair     

Intermountain
5/6/6 Improved 6' wide Youngstown steel door                      $2/pair
5/6/5-T pre-war Youngstown 6' wide door 10'6" IH               $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught 3/4 "rolling Pin" end                          $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught thin+3/4 "rollinPin"no pole pocket    $2/pair
PACEMAKER Dreadnaught thin+3/4 end w/ poling pockets  $3/pair
6' wide even space Superior door 10'0" IH                             $2/pair
4/5 early Dreadnaught 4/5 ends 10'0" IH                                $2.50/pair
8-rung ladders for 10'0" IH                                                      $2.50/set
Apex etched metal running boards for 40' box car                 $3/each

Buyer to pay $4 and up for USPS shipping by padded envelope 1st class mail. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. contact me off-list (Please) for availability and your shipping questions at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-andy Carlson

Re: New Tank Car Photos in Album Section

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Garth,
 
Thanks, excellent images!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 5:20 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Tank Car Photos in Album Section

Good Friends,

I have just added five new tank car photos to
realstmfc_AT_groups.io, "Garth Groff's Album 5, Tank Cars", found on page 9. These include an NATX twin dome, and an AC&F high-walkway Type 7 survivor.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff