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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

spsalso
 

E Z Line is flat, not round.  I measure it at .002" thick and .005" wide.  If it's twisted (and it's hard not to twist it), that shows.  It just might be a good thing for banding steel, though.  It's 3/8" wide, in HO.  Seems kinda narrow.

Also, the "rust" color fades to a clear green with a few hours of sunlight.  It seems to take permanent marker well, though, as a repair.

I am in the middle of using it to make a barbed wire fence about 5' long.  It's probably the only thing to use if you're trying to recreate a fence in good order, where the lines are still taut.  For my fence, I SUSPECT the twist in the E Z Line will not be noticeable unless you know to look.  I do, and I can see it.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

x702samc
 

 

 

An old modelers trick (I’m sure many of you must know) is to melt and stretch a “styrene” sprue.

 

Use a piece of sprue a couple of inches long or more, hold the center over an open flame until one end droops then pull both ends stretching the melted center. You can regulate the thickness of the strand buy how fast and far you pull the ends apart.

During the stretching you also can wrap it around a small bundle of pipe or logs or such. I wrap it around various sizes of tubes several times to represent coiled wire and if your careful wrap it slowly around a small tube to make coil springs.

Once you’ve tried and tested this you can make many different things.

 

 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Lester Breuer
 

Small piano or phosphor bronze wire as I used on this load is one way.
Lester Breuer

Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Joseph
 

Don’t think so as the M&StL car is welded
Joe Binish

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Was this style of GS gondola also built for other owners? It looks very familiar.

Great Northern perhaps?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/15/2019 12:13 AM, Dan Smith wrote:

Doug  Harding wrote:

One unique feature was the use of a Superior hand brake.

The hand brake of choice for the M&StL

Dan Smith

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Tim O'Connor
 


Was this style of GS gondola also built for other owners? It looks very familiar.

Great Northern perhaps?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/15/2019 12:13 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
Doug  Harding wrote:

One unique feature was the use of a Superior hand brake.

The hand brake of choice for the M&StL

Dan Smith

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Nelson Moyer
 

Here’s a link for magnet wire in many gauges down to 44 AWG. Convert AWG to your scale inches and you can get close to prototype dimensions for whatever application you need.

 

https://www.remingtonindustries.com/magnet-wire/?sort=bestselling&page=1

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Dave Parker wrote:

I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?).

Late steam era AAR loading requirements specify two strands of #7 wire, 3 strands of #8,  4 of #9, or 6 of #11, twisted taut. #7 ASW ga. is .177" dia, or .002" in HO.
40 AWG magnet wire, .0032" dia,  is the smallest I see in a quick search online. A 2 oz. spool for less than $10 plus shipping will give you over 4000', enough for everyone at the Chicago RPM to do a few cars. ;^)   As mentioned earlier, monofilament is available in similarly small diameters, but I don't see how you'd be able to twist the strands together. 
Jack Mullen

 


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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Jack Mullen
 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Dave Parker wrote:
I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?).
Late steam era AAR loading requirements specify two strands of #7 wire, 3 strands of #8,  4 of #9, or 6 of #11, twisted taut. #7 ASW ga. is .177" dia, or .002" in HO.
40 AWG magnet wire, .0032" dia,  is the smallest I see in a quick search online. A 2 oz. spool for less than $10 plus shipping will give you over 4000', enough for everyone at the Chicago RPM to do a few cars. ;^)   As mentioned earlier, monofilament is available in similarly small diameters, but I don't see how you'd be able to twist the strands together. 
Jack Mullen

Re: My railroad materials

Jake Schaible
 

I know it's been a few weeks since Jared asked "Any other suggestions I should consider?".  But given the massive processing backlong at CSRM and the issues they have with space, wanted to add another idea to the mix.

For the right material, I would encourage folks to consider the little know "Pacific Southwest Railway Museum" (PSRM, Campo CA) Southwest Railway Library".  Founded on several sizable collections of documents from the SD&A, SP & AT&SF - and recently greatly expanded via a major gift of railroad materials from the San Diego History Center along with a major facilities expansion and grants for climate control, the PSRM archives now has the space and our doors are open for accepting sizable collections of original railroad documents.  

By the way, for those who have not seen our collection and trains, consider your self invited on Nov 16th, when we will be holding a rail fest to celebrate the 100 yr anniversary of the SD&A's own golden spike.  https://www.psrm.org/centennial/

 

 

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Nelson Moyer
 

I use black 1/64 in. chart tape for the steel straps. For wire, I use 32 AWG or 42 AWG magnet wire.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

 

I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

 

Allen Montgomery

 

 

 

On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Douglas Harding
 

I'll send Joe what I have.

Doug Harding
Sent from my phone

On Oct 15, 2019 11:16 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Joe is also interested in obtaining photos of cars repainted by the CNW.
CW Propst

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Dave Parker
 

bob:

I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?).

The EZ Line comes in 0.010" diameter, but that's 7/8" in HO.

Both fishing monofilament and braided beading line can be had as fine as 0.003".  

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Clark Propst
 

Joe is also interested in obtaining photos of cars repainted by the CNW. 
CW Propst

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Patrick Wade
 

How about a single strand of lamp wire? I have used this for the harness and reins on an HO stagecoach.


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:56 AM Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

Allen Montgomery



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Andy Carlson
 

Re-purposed armature wire from a broken model's electric motor. About as fine of wire you are going to easily find.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Richard Townsend
 

I have used wire from the core of a damaged small electric motor. A bit tedious to unwind, but it is really fine. I also have used wire from a Taser (it helps to be friends with the police chief - they practice with their Tasers) but it is not as fine. In both cases the copper color might be objectionable.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 8:48 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.
The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

James Brewer
 

Bob,

I'd suggest EZ Line from Berkshire Junction...http://berkshirejunction.com/subdirectory/

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:56 AM Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

Allen Montgomery



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

Berkshire Junction EZ Line

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.
The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Allen Montgomery
 

I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

Allen Montgomery



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Bob Chaparro
 

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Bill Welch
 

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 09:58 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
Joe Binish asked me to forward this to the list.  He is having some technical issues.
 
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz

 

Begin forwarded message:

From: "joe binish" <mstl852@...>
To: "Rich Remiarz" <rremiarz@...>
Subject: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

 
Folks,
This car is under development.  I hope to have a look at the printed sides and maybe ends at the Lisle RPM.  Fortunately the trucks are already available.  I have no idea of pricing yet, or decal availability....
These cars probably made it to the CNW, since they were built in 1947 by GATC(30000-30499)
Between getting this car done and hoping for the Louie stock car, that should take care of the late steam era freight cars
 
I will keep you updated
Joe Binish
This is good news, great to see new people developing models.

Speaking of gondolas, according the the Lisle/Chicagoland RPM, Steve Furnaro will do a presentation on building a Monon gondola, which means he must be introducing this kit next week as I have not seen it on there website.

Bill Welch