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Re: Flat Black

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I had a fair stash of flotilla when they shut down and have accumulated more of their basic colors since.  What I did no have was Dio sol.

I got the mix for Diosol from a trusted modeler.
It is :

       40%   Toluene
        40%   Nathan
        20%   Xylene

I think I have a lifetime supply of these.  Now if I could just find Floquil Glaze.

Bill Pardie

   

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 9/1/20 12:26 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

John Sykes wrote:

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  

     Good "professional" paint stores have all this stuff in California. The "Big Box" boys don't want to do the paperwork, but it can certainly be sold here.
      Incidentally, as John knows, there is no unique entity "paint thinner." A wide variety of formulations have been and still are so marketed. Mineral sports usually dominate, but lots of other things, such as turpentine, naphtha, toluene and MEK may also be present. And for those not familiar, "VOC" stands for Volatile Organic Compounds."

Tony Thompson
Berkeley, CA




Re: 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Claus and Charles,

It is a B-50-15, built for the SP subsidiary Morgan's Louisiana & Texas (ML&T) in 1925 as 53060-53559 or 1926 as 36210-36509. These were relettered to T&NO, probably around 1928, though I wasn't able to find the exact date. T&NO ended up with 800, while the SP had 3,100. Some lasted on the SP as late as 1970. The last T&NO car was retired around 1965.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 4:45 PM Charles Morrill <badlands@...> wrote:
I can make out the SP herald and the "T&" before the vertical rib.  I would take it as a T&NO car.



From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:26:44 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Hi List Members,
 
The resolution on this image is lacking a bit, but my feeling is that the reporting mark on this 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar might be T&NO - does anyone have thoughts one way or the other?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

John Sykes wrote:

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  

     Good "professional" paint stores have all this stuff in California. The "Big Box" boys don't want to do the paperwork, but it can certainly be sold here.
      Incidentally, as John knows, there is no unique entity "paint thinner." A wide variety of formulations have been and still are so marketed. Mineral sports usually dominate, but lots of other things, such as turpentine, naphtha, toluene and MEK may also be present. And for those not familiar, "VOC" stands for Volatile Organic Compounds."

Tony Thompson
Berkeley, CA




Re: Photo: Reading 12343A

mel perry
 

what was their normal assignment?
thanks
mel perry


Re: Flat Black

John Sykes III
 

Mont:

I use standard paint thinner (a/k/a mineral spirits, a/k/a Stoddard solvent) with SCII (I do not use the low-odor paint thinner).

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  ScaleCoat paints (both I & II) require a high-VOC thinner to work properly.  I think the latest can I got was like 800 g/L VOCs (would give a California tree-hugger a stroke!).

-- John


Re: Photo: Reading 12343A

Eric Lombard
 

Hi Everybody,
Here is some demographic data for the car in the photo and its sisters.

RDG 11600-12870 random
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1941[7]   4  RBLT and reclassed XMph without RENO from: #11600, 
11801, 12343, 12677 out of 11550-12349 and 12350-12999. XMp
For chocolate bean hull haulage. 3 pairs of square roof hatches. 
Internal slope sheets. 2 bottom hoppers. 
1948       2 RBLT and reclassed XMph without RENO from #12854, 12870 out of 12350-12999. XMp
1954[2]-
1954[5]   6  RBLT with AB brakes.
1956(4)   6  #11600, 11801, 11954, 12343, 12677, 12870.

1959[5]        #11600, 11801, 11954, 12677, XMph, retired.

1960[8]   2  #12343, 12870, last cars in service, retired.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 8:29 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Reading 12343A
Robert Wanner posted these photos on the Facebook Railroad Images Of Bygone Days site.

He commented, " 'To be used exclusively at Hershey, Pa.' So we have a wooden Cocoa bean boxcar 12343 A, the suffix meaning in special service. No doors so hatchbacks on roof and hopper discharge underneath. Dated 7/41, but not sure that's the Built date. Looks new in photo, but could be rebuilt in Reading Shops. Original covered hopper car? Wooden foot block on rail to prevent drifting for photo shoot. Looks like string of brand new (or rebuilt) coal hopper cars in background. Would make interesting model. Reading Company photos."

Interesting car. Anyone know its background?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Flat Black

Mont Switzer
 

I learned the hard way to always use Scalecoat II thinner with Scalecoat II paint.  Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of John Sykes III via groups.io [johnsykesiii@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

For dead flat black paint, believe it or not, I have been using Krylon Black Primer/Ultra-Flat.  Rattle can only, but it is as black as the monolith!  It dries very fast (usually <10 min) and shrinks a bit too, so if you put it on a little heavy, wait until it dries, all may not be lost (as long as you don't have sags or runs).

For black where decals need to be added, I use either ScaleCoat I or II (depending on whether the model is metal or plastic).  By the way, I use standard lacquer thinner with the ScaleCoat I and put it in a 200° oven for about 1/2 hour or so to dry.  Comes out looking like a new Steinway piano!

-- John


Re: Flat Black

John Sykes III
 

For dead flat black paint, believe it or not, I have been using Krylon Black Primer/Ultra-Flat.  Rattle can only, but it is as black as the monolith!  It dries very fast (usually <10 min) and shrinks a bit too, so if you put it on a little heavy, wait until it dries, all may not be lost (as long as you don't have sags or runs).

For black where decals need to be added, I use either ScaleCoat I or II (depending on whether the model is metal or plastic).  By the way, I use standard lacquer thinner with the ScaleCoat I and put it in a 200° oven for about 1/2 hour or so to dry.  Comes out looking like a new Steinway piano!

-- John


Re: Flat Black

Nelson Moyer
 

Check Hobbylinc for Tamiya paints. I just bought 12 cans of Tamiya Fine Light Gray Primer, and they discount Tamiya products 20%.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

On 9/1/2020 10:14 AM, Ken Adams wrote:

And Tamiya's Matte Black

 And there's a place on eBay that sells Tamiya's lacquer (flat black among others).  Appears to be real lacquer as I have added from my gallon of lacquer thinner and it didn't gel, just thins down.  Never have seen it in the US.  I have ordered and got half a dozen containers.  It's not cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tamiya-Lacquer-Paint-Gloss-82101-82180-LP-1-to-LP-80-10ml-multiple-choice/373084232133?hash=item56dd8d99c5:g:sG4AAOSw76hefAn5

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Charles Morrill
 

I can make out the SP herald and the "T&" before the vertical rib.  I would take it as a T&NO car.



From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:26:44 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Hi List Members,
 
The resolution on this image is lacking a bit, but my feeling is that the reporting mark on this 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar might be T&NO - does anyone have thoughts one way or the other?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The resolution on this image is lacking a bit, but my feeling is that the reporting mark on this 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar might be T&NO - does anyone have thoughts one way or the other?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Photos: Utah Poultry Producers Cooperative Association Reefers (1928)

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Flat Black

Jon Miller
 

On 9/1/2020 10:14 AM, Ken Adams wrote:
And Tamiya's Matte Black

 And there's a place on eBay that sells Tamiya's lacquer (flat black among others).  Appears to be real lacquer as I have added from my gallon of lacquer thinner and it didn't gel, just thins down.  Never have seen it in the US.  I have ordered and got half a dozen containers.  It's not cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tamiya-Lacquer-Paint-Gloss-82101-82180-LP-1-to-LP-80-10ml-multiple-choice/373084232133?hash=item56dd8d99c5:g:sG4AAOSw76hefAn5

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Flat Black

Ken Adams
 

And Tamiya's Matte Black is good if you do  not need to add decals. Just used some yesterday.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, FL has been postponed

Bill J.
 

Thank you, Jeff.  Please put me on the list.

Bill Jolitz


Re: History Blog: Axes From 14th C. Polish Battlefield

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 1, 2020, at 06:00, Spiny Norman wrote:

Shipped in box cars? Or piled up in gons like the dead of Clichy? :)
Sure. Why not?


Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I believe that those are the ends of cardboard boxes that make up the load being restrained.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 1, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

I see the strapping and furring strips. But what about the boards with the indents or holes in them?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Bob Chaparro
 

I see the strapping and furring strips. But what about the boards with the indents or holes in them?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Loading A Fire Truck

Kenneth Montero
 

Brasstrains.com has two copies of this car for sale - factory painted - Crown Custom Imports - for those who want to see a model.

Ken Montero

On 09/01/2020 9:21 AM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:



Brian Shumaker wrote:
"American La France firetruck Co., in Elmira NY? These cars were made, I believe, just for them."

Car (singular).  PRR 59861, Class X30.



Re: Photo: Reading 12343A

Thomas Evans
 

Those trucks look a lot like the ones from the Pressed Steel Car Co. back around 1900.
In any case, they appear to have bolt-on journal boxes & are of a vaguely arch-bar design, which seems quite out of date for 1941.

Tom E.

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