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Photo: LV Boxcar 62182 With Weed Chains Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: LV Boxcar 62182 With Weed Chains Load

A 1915 photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6891hs0

From the text on the banner I guess those folks in Utah had been using their electric weed-whackers before this car arrived, assuming that earlier they had received a carload of extension cords.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Tank Car Placard Locations

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Bob,

there are no repeorting marks on the car. They must be inplant storage only.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 11:36:52 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Tank Car Placard Locations

A 1920 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=539303&page=2&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

I found this photo interesting from the standpoint of placard locations. On this tank car there are two previous and one current location for the placard.

Am I correct to assume there was no requirement or recommendation as to where to place the placard on the end of a tank car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Tank Car Placard Locations

Bob Chaparro
 

Tank Car Placard Locations

A 1920 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=539303&page=2&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

I found this photo interesting from the standpoint of placard locations. On this tank car there are two previous and one current location for the placard.

Am I correct to assume there was no requirement or recommendation as to where to place the placard on the end of a tank car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

A 1924 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=537635&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

An end view of this boxcar at Sperry Flour, showing the paper lining around the inspection door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Speaking of rivets

Tim O'Connor
 


Mylar is thinner, safer, and holds rivet impressions. And much cheaper, per square inch.
And easy to cut with a knife or scissors.


On 5/3/2020 8:45 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:
The photo 
Lester Breuer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: I’m trying to make out the owning road

Brian Termunde
 

And as it is today . . . 


I've gone by this place dozen's, if not hundreds of time, and it looks like I'll need to again

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: I’m trying to make out the owning road
From: Lee
Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 15:37:53 PDT
An online search brings up this image from Salt Lake City. 

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s60s039q 


Lee Stoermer
Aldie, VA

Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

Bruce Smith
 

I believe that Pullman used them as demonstrators in order to sell railroads on their features. Some may also have been used as test cars to see how some features functioned in real life use.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:39 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023
 
What were these used for?


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:27 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

A 1940 builder's photo from the Illinois Digital Archives:

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19536/rec/72

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Bruce Smith
 

Don,

Tony's answer was to both questions 😉

We've discussed this a number of times over the history of the list and it seems that there was some preference for the some platform to be on the left side when there was a single platform, but if you think about it, there would really be no rhyme or reason to how a tank car was delivered to the loading/unloading site, so a single platform car could just as easily have the platform on the "wrong" side as the correct side.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades
 
Don Valentine wrote:
One thing we noticed on Plain Jane tank cars was that they often had a walkway on only one side of the dome. On some it  seemed to be on the left from the "B" end and on others on the right. We were never able to determine what the protocols were that decided whether a car would have walkways on both sides of the dome or only one side and which side if only one. Can anyone answer these questions?

     There is a simple answer, from Ed Kaminski who worked with the AC&F tank car plant for years. The answer? it was buyer choice.

Tony Thompson

    Thank you Tony. But that answers only one of the questions. The other is what determined which side of.
the dome the single walkway was applied to? I do have Ed's book on tank cars but having arrived only hours 
before the question was raised here I have not had time yet to more than glance at it.

Cordially, Don Valentine



Re: Speaking of rivets

Ken O'Brien
 

Re: Speaking of rivets

Lester Breuer
 

The photo 
Lester Breuer

Re: Speaking of rivets

Lester Breuer
 

I happen to have a box of the x-ray film.  Thought they would make great flat car weights until I used them on a car and found  how many you need to weight one car.  Never thought to use for making rivets.
Lester Breuer

Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

Charles Peck
 

I can easily imagine the uses Pullman could have for boxcars.
First, samples to send around for railroads to examine.
Secondly, resupplying the many repair and service points of the Pullman system 
all over the country.  Light bulbs, brake shoes, generator belts, toilet paper, and 
certainly jugs of that special Pullman disinfectant with the special aroma. 
Everything from air conditioning fans to tickets had to be on hand everywhere 
Pullman went.  Ship it by rail was the sensible way to go.
Chuck Peck

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:36 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
What were these used for?


 

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Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Donald B. Valentine
 

Don Valentine wrote:
One thing we noticed on Plain Jane tank cars was that they often had a walkway on only one side of the dome. On some it  seemed to be on the left from the "B" end and on others on the right. We were never able to determine what the protocols were that decided whether a car would have walkways on both sides of the dome or only one side and which side if only one. Can anyone answer these questions?

     There is a simple answer, from Ed Kaminski who worked with the AC&F tank car plant for years. The answer? it was buyer choice.

Tony Thompson

    Thank you Tony. But that answers only one of the questions. The other is what determined which side of.
the dome the single walkway was applied to? I do have Ed's book on tank cars but having arrived only hours 
before the question was raised here I have not had time yet to more than glance at it.

Cordially, Don Valentine



Re: Photo: NP Reefer 91497

Donald B. Valentine
 

   Kooks to have been a poor investment having lasted only 20 years. No doubt this is one reason railroads 
themselves were often hesitant to invest in reefers. Did we ever figure out and agree on when the "Main Street 
of the Northwest" slogan began t be applied to No. Pac. freight equipment? If so is the date universal for all
No. Pac. freight equipment of only certain car types, like reefers?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

John Barry
 

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19536/rec/72

Use of the PLM box would be pure speculation on my part, but the detail photo in the link above clearly shows the imperfect alignment of the end and side grabs.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Saturday, May 2, 2020, 06:36:38 PM EDT, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


What were these used for?


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:27 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

A 1940 builder's photo from the Illinois Digital Archives:

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19536/rec/72

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Intermountain news in HO and O scale

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Ted,
Of course, I'm interrested in the O Scale. Did you get any tank cars?
That Peper offer does sound good.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Friday, May 1, 2020, 07:34:07 PM CDT, Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:


Hello Everyone,

Intermountian's newest HO arrivals, are PFE wood side reefers, from several different clases and paint schemes.  The first class is, R-30-18 in four different paint schemes and in 6 nrew numbers for eack group.

There is one paint scheme offered in the R-40-19 class and two paint schemes offered in the R-30-21 class.

These cars join the earlier release of the Deco end boxcars (C&O-B&O), the CN/ONT with NSC ends, the C&EI slogan cars, and DLW, NYC, A&EC, and Copper Range cars.

All are in stock and ready to ship.

In O scale, I now have all the remaining Intermountain stock of cars and parts.  Its about 180 large boxes, on 5 pallets, stacked 7' high. There are ready to run cars mostly from the early 1990's (yes, almost 30 years ago), there are some kits from the same era, and then boxes of parts.

If you are interested in the O scale, contact me off list and I can send a list of the remaining cars.  As I open boxes I seem to keep finding surprises.

I also have a deal on Pepper Packing reefers in O scale.  $10/ car RTR, three car min order.  If you ever wanted to kitbash an O scale car here is a cheap date.

As always, requests off list.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120
847=697-5353



Re: [shake-n-take] Greg

Robert kirkham
 

Really appreciate your sharing this Schuyler.  I hardly knew him, but have found hearing of his illness and now his passing very sad. 

 

I only knew Greg through years of enjoying his modelling in magazines and then at Cocoa Beach.  First time for me was in ‘07, and I was fortunate when they managed to get me one of the kits for the Khan’s reefer.  I remember how encouraging and friendly he (and other presenters) was there.  It was inspiring.  Frankly, the whole event was a bit awesome for a newbie; so many “names” in the room all taking part and having fun.  What a cool event.  Even now I wish I knew how it came to be.  

 

I made it back a few times and participated in other Shake and take clinics.  Also listened to Greg’s other clinics, including in 2019 on weathering.  His tips on so many simple but effective things – like using pie plates – helped transform my modelling. Plus his contributions on this list.  He was friendly and at least once even offered to help with our annual proto meet up here in BC (I never really had the ability to take him up on it). 

 

I feel a very large gap with his passing.  My sympathy is with his wife, his family and his close friends.  I’m very sorry to hear of his passing and their loss.  And my prayers are with them.

 

Rob Kirkham     

 

From: shake-n-take@groups.io <shake-n-take@groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:11 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; shake-n-take@groups.io
Subject: [shake-n-take] Greg

 

It’s taken me a while to get ready . . . no, to be able, to write about this.

 

Greg’s passing has hit me much harder than I thought it might.  I was aware for quite some time that he was infected with the corona virus, and that it was not going well.  I spoke to both Sandy and his brother to seek their permission to post the information to the Shake’n’Take and RealSTMFC lists.  Both were grateful for my reaching out to do that.

 

I don’t remember the first SnT kit that I signed up for.  It was quite a few years ago.  I found some of them relatively straightforward, built them and brought them back to Cocoa.  Some I am still intending to go back and finish.  One I have to finish again.  But I got to know Greg well after I think the second one I took to build.  I had struggled through his somewhat vague instructions and after his presentation, I simply said “Give me that set of instructions.”  He didn’t understand at first that I didn’t mean another paper copy, I meant the computer file, but when I explained that I wanted to, with his permission, rewrite it so it would be more readable, he gave them to me immediately.

 

I’ve rewritten many of the instructions for the various SnT projects ever since.  And in doing so I got to know Greg quite well, for someone who lived 2600 miles away, and who, with one exception, I only saw annually in Cocoa Beach.  Lots of late-night phone calls to initially talk about the next SnT project, or other potential projects for future years, which generally wandered off into our working lives and family successes and . . . difficulties.  Some of Greg’s instructions, it turned out, were written very after the fact, sometimes months later.  I’d occasionally have to ask him if he really did it that way, because it seemed to me that a different sequence simply had to be better.  He’d sheepishly agree and acknowledge that he didn’t remember it correctly when he wrote the instructions.

 

Greg’s kits also made me a much better modeler, an effect others have mentioned.  Greg also got me to do something I really never thought I could:  he insisted that I needed to do a SnT clinic.  He gave me multiple Lackawanna and ERIE examples of ‘bashable prototypes.  I eventually got him to understand that the Lackawanna car he was proposing would require two or three donor kits, and that seemed a little much.  But the ERIE car I did came about because he pushed me to do it.  BTW, that Lackawanna car became Yarmouth’s DL&W Auto Box kit.

 

Greg would call me his “partner” in SnT, which I never quite agreed with.  He often called me “my brother,” and I felt much the same way about him.  As I wrote above, the loss of Greg has really hit me very hard.

 

As it has many of us, I know.  The posts over the last two days show how well regarded he was, and how I am not the only person whose modeling benefitted from knowing him

 

Greg, I miss you now, and I am sure I will miss you very much for years.

 

Schuyler

Re: wire gauge for tie-rods

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Ray,
 
You didn’t mention your scale, but if it’s HO, 0.0172 is just under 1.5 HO scale inches. 
 
The closest wire sizes I’ve found are 0.016” and 0.018”, although 0.015” and 0.020” are easier to find. 
 
McMaster-Carr offers 1/4 lb spools of 0.016” copper and aluminum wire for about $7 and $12 respectively, 1/8 lb spools of 0.016” nickel chromium alloy wire for about $15, and 1/4 lb spools of both 0.016” and 0.018” low-carbon steel wire and 1080 spring steel (piano) wire for about $3.50 and $6.50 respectively.  The piano wire is also available in packages of 100 1ft lengths for $8.40.  There no doubt are other sources, but that’s start for you.
 
Incidentally, I presumed you were looking for wire, but monofilament fish line is another possibility.  I’ve used monofilament in the past with cored turnbuckles, but I don’t recall the size.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Ray Hutchison
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] wire gauge for tie-rods
 
I was not certain the correct gauge for tie-rods for early box cars and reefers?  The originals are usually given as 1.5 inches.  Hopefully this would the queen posts in the old roundhouse 36' kits?
 
and related question about correct size for air and steam tubes on brass models?
 
Thanks for suggestions!
 
Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI

Re: Seaboard AF-1

Steve and Barb Hile
 

It appears that the Bowser car has a typical Dreadnaught end.

However, it also looks like something that Greg Martin would look at and see
that the ends could be replaced and he woul d find or make new ends.

Probably too, little and too late, but I hope that it could help someone.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:32 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Seaboard AF-1

A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I
know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone
know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him
to mail me the kit.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

Re: Covid 19 Builds

Lee
 

Paul
I can sooooooooo relate!!!  3 years ago I got the train room and garage, wife has the run of the rest of the house.

Lee Stoermer
Aldie, VA


On Saturday, May 2, 2020, 04:15:23 PM EDT, Paul Catapano <pc66ot@...> wrote:


I'm building a Train room with a house for my Wife over it.


Paul Catapano
Winchester, VA