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Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro  wrote:

Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)
A photo from the Virginia Tech University Library:
This photo can be enlarged.
Can anyone identify the load restraining system?

  I don't think that's a boxcar system. It looks to me like they have strapped all the cartons together with steel strapping to hold them all together. I don't know that it's anchored to the car interior at all.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Good point, Tony!

 

That is one curious car.  Are those tie-downs on the side sill?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
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Gatwood, Elden  wrote:



It does not look like a Viking, as the corrugations are not visible.  It has widely-spaced carlines, with intermediate stiffeners.  Didn’t NP have roofs like that on some classes?

 

     Remember that early Viking did not have corrugations.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Flat Black

Todd Sullivan
 

Denny,

Tamiya also has a semi-gloss black in bottles and rattle cans.  It turns out to be a good match for some factory-painted models in terms of luster (e.g., P2K steam locos).

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Tony Thompson
 

Gatwood, Elden  wrote:

It does not look like a Viking, as the corrugations are not visible.  It has widely-spaced carlines, with intermediate stiffeners.  Didn’t NP have roofs like that on some classes?

     Remember that early Viking did not have corrugations.

Tony Thompson




Re: Flat Black

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Denny,
 
like Scalecoat I, which I’ve getting either from Walthers or directly from Minutemen.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black
 
Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.
 
Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864
 
 
 


Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

Who is PBL ?   The only Star brand paint I  can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!

  Try P-B-L or use this link: https://www.p-b-l.com/catalog/cfm/catalog.cfm

Tony Thompson




Re: Flat Black

Jon Miller
 

    This shop buys and sells Floquil.

http://www.narrowgaugemodeling.com/floquil-paint/

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

Originally it stood for Peter Built Locomotives (proprietor Bill Peter), in Ukiah, CA. Google Star Brand paint.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...> wrote:



Tony,

 

Who is PBL ?   The only Star brand paint I  can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Denny Anspach wrote:



Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

    You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it  more and more.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Flat Black

Andy Miller
 

Tony,

 

Who is PBL ?   The only Star brand paint I  can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Denny Anspach wrote:



Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

    You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it  more and more.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Flat Black

Robert J Miller CFA
 

You can still find Floquil on e-Bay, but it can get pricey.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 5:12:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black
 

Denny….

 

I have not heard that Testor’s was leaving…thanks for mentioning that fact. (Who/what is MTH?) I still have a dozen unopened Floquil bottles left so I just ordered another bottle of Testor’s paint thinner for them. Hopefully, I’ll run out of Floquil paint just after I build the last YV model on my list and those 45+ resin kits…

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 1:22 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

Denny

  

Denny S. Anspach, MD

Sacramento, CA 95864

 

 

 


Re: Flat Black

Jack Burgess
 

Denny….

 

I have not heard that Testor’s was leaving…thanks for mentioning that fact. (Who/what is MTH?) I still have a dozen unopened Floquil bottles left so I just ordered another bottle of Testor’s paint thinner for them. Hopefully, I’ll run out of Floquil paint just after I build the last YV model on my list and those 45+ resin kits…

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 1:22 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

Denny

  

Denny S. Anspach, MD

Sacramento, CA 95864

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

It does not look like a Viking, as the corrugations are not visible.  It has widely-spaced carlines, with intermediate stiffeners.  Didn’t NP have roofs like that on some classes?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:05 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

 

So, a completely different question from looking at this picture:  whose version of radial roof would this be, based upon the visible stampings as we see them from the underside?

 

Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer

 


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

 

Hi Bob,

I think it's called steel strapping and furring strips.  The clue is the device held by the worker - it is used to tension and then crimp the steel strapping.  Not hi-tech, but cheap and probably effective.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Signode was one of the major suppliers of the strap systems IIRC.
Charlie Vlk

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

 

Hi Bob,

I think it's called steel strapping and furring strips.  The clue is the device held by the worker - it is used to tension and then crimp the steel strapping.  Not hi-tech, but cheap and probably effective.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

Denny Anspach wrote:

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

    You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it  more and more.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

np328
 

I'll second Todd's reply. I recall working with those tools as a teenager. The tools on the floor are crimpers, once the banding is snugged up, a soft metal C shaped piece is placed over the strapping and crimped tight when the arms are drawn together. 
                                                      Of the radial roof, it does not readily appear to be NP style                                Jim Dick - St. Paul MN


Flat Black

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

Denny
  
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864




Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Brent Greer
 

So, a completely different question from looking at this picture:  whose version of radial roof would this be, based upon the visible stampings as we see them from the underside?

Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)
 
Hi Bob,

I think it's called steel strapping and furring strips.  The clue is the device held by the worker - it is used to tension and then crimp the steel strapping.  Not hi-tech, but cheap and probably effective.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bob,

I think it's called steel strapping and furring strips.  The clue is the device held by the worker - it is used to tension and then crimp the steel strapping.  Not hi-tech, but cheap and probably effective.

Todd Sullivan


Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boxcar Load Restraining System (Circa 1940s)

A photo from the Virginia Tech University Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns1128

This photo can be enlarged.

Can anyone identify the load restraining system?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Case Cub Tractor Emerging From An End Door Boxcar (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Case Cub Tractor Emerging From An End Door Boxcar (Undated)

https://tinyurl.com/y3qxb85r

A comment by Charlie Vlk:

"I’d bet that the car has been repainted for publicity purposes….I haven’t blown up the image and studied it in detail but it doesn’t look like there are any reporting marks or data and I doubt it was in interchange service.  A neat looking car none the less."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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