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Nice images of NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y hoppers...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Re: Southern railway flat cars

George Courtney
 

A modeler in your area named Don McDougall might know.  But Jim King is a Southern expert.

George Courtney


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,

I especially like the two views of the railroad car GE 25002, a trussrod center-hole flat car from series 25002-25007 - see links below:
open center      length..40ft 00in  length of opening...9ft 03in  capacity..100,000 pounds
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

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The Boston & Albany cars in the third set appear to be carrying transformers most likely originating at GE’s Pittsfield, MA plant

Roger Hinman

On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Bob, all;
I just love this stuff.  
So, originated on the NYC at GE’s Schenectady, NY plant, bound for Long Beach, CA to populate their new steam plant for local power supply?
What a GREAT assortment of NYC’s unique flat car fleet.  And that GE well!  A smorgasbord of regular, well, semi-well, and HD flats, supplemented by a PRR G22, and RDG gon.
Thanks, Bob, SO much for sharing!
Elden Gatwood
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Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars
Two 1924 photos from the Huntington Library:
These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.
Two views of a special train transporting components to a steam plant.
Related photos:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Eric Hansmann
 

From the looks of the freight cars in these images, it seems the Pennsy spit-shine crew wasn’t called into action on that G22 gondola. The NYC spit-shine crews sure kept busy on some great looking flats and gondolas.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

 

Bob, all;

 

I just love this stuff. 

 

So, originated on the NYC at GE’s Schenectady, NY plant, bound for Long Beach, CA to populate their new steam plant for local power supply?

 

What a GREAT assortment of NYC’s unique flat car fleet.  And that GE well!  A smorgasbord of regular, well, semi-well, and HD flats, supplemented by a PRR G22, and RDG gon.

 

Thanks, Bob, SO much for sharing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:38 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

 

Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Two 1924 photos from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25042/rec/856

These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.

Two views of a special train transporting components to a steam plant.

Related photos:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25046/rec/872

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25048/rec/882

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25049/rec/886

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

ROGER HINMAN
 

The Boston & Albany cars in the third set appear to be carrying transformers most likely originating at GE’s Pittsfield, MA plant

Roger Hinman

On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Bob, all;
 
I just love this stuff.  
 
So, originated on the NYC at GE’s Schenectady, NY plant, bound for Long Beach, CA to populate their new steam plant for local power supply?
 
What a GREAT assortment of NYC’s unique flat car fleet.  And that GE well!  A smorgasbord of regular, well, semi-well, and HD flats, supplemented by a PRR G22, and RDG gon.
 
Thanks, Bob, SO much for sharing!
 
Elden Gatwood
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars
 
Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars
Two 1924 photos from the Huntington Library:
These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.
Two views of a special train transporting components to a steam plant.
Related photos:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Southern railway flat cars

hubert mask
 

For a matter of information I sell all three paint scheme decals. In black, Roman, and 70s. Maskislanddecals.com.

Thank you.
Hubert mask

On Jan 14, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi

When did the Southern Railway change their flat car colour from black to red ?

Many thanks

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





Re: Southern railway flat cars

Jim King
 

Most likely late 1957 when there was a systemwide change in fonts and colors.  That’s when heralds were removed, the Roman font changed to an early version of Gothic/Block, the green/imitation Aluminum scheme on engines was changed to “Tuxedo” and open top cars, including flats, went from black to freight car red/brown (which varied over the years).  Black-painted gons were still running around in the early 70s.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 861248

Eric Hansmann
 

Nice photo, Bob! Thanks for sharing. The placard on the NYC gondola looks like it reads MANIFEST.

 

The PL GS looks like it has a load of coupler drawbar castings. Notice this gondola is so weathered that the weigh data under the reporting marks is gone. The road name and car number seem to have had some chalk applied.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 1:36 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 861248

 

Photo: PRR Gondola 861248

An undated photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/21111/rec/1782

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

The car is lettered Pennsylvania Lines and the car initials are PL.

Partial views of other cars appear.

Can anyone make out the placard on the NYC gondola?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Erie Flat Car With Cable Load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for the cool images.
 
The image referenced below in Bob's email can be seen at full resolution (and without the extraneous 'tools') at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Erie Flat Car With Cable Load

Photo: Erie Flat Car With Cable Load

An 1931 photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/26909/rec/710

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob, all;

 

I just love this stuff. 

 

So, originated on the NYC at GE’s Schenectady, NY plant, bound for Long Beach, CA to populate their new steam plant for local power supply?

 

What a GREAT assortment of NYC’s unique flat car fleet.  And that GE well!  A smorgasbord of regular, well, semi-well, and HD flats, supplemented by a PRR G22, and RDG gon.

 

Thanks, Bob, SO much for sharing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

 

Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Two 1924 photos from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25042/rec/856

These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.

Two views of a special train transporting components to a steam plant.

Related photos:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25046/rec/872

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25048/rec/882

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25049/rec/886

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Richard Townsend
 

What a train for lovers of open loads!

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 11:37 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars
Two 1924 photos from the Huntington Library:
These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.
Two views of a special train transporting components to a steam plant.
Related photos:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photos: PRR Depressed Center Flat Car 435495

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: PRR Depressed Center Flat Car 435495

Four 1928 photos from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/24197/rec/629

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/24194/rec/614

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/24192/rec/604

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/24196/rec/626

These photos can be enlarged quite a bit. There are some identifiable boxcars in the third link.

I believe these are all the same car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Erie Flat Car With Cable Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Erie Flat Car With Cable Load

An 1931 photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/26909/rec/710

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Assorted Gondolas & Flat Cars

Two 1924 photos from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25042/rec/856

These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.

Two views of a special train transporting components to a steam plant.

Related photos:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25046/rec/872

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25048/rec/882

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/25049/rec/886

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Gondola 861248

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 861248

An undated photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/21111/rec/1782

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

The car is lettered Pennsylvania Lines and the car initials are PL.

Partial views of other cars appear.

Can anyone make out the placard on the NYC gondola?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Southern railway flat cars

Paul Doggett
 

Hi

When did the Southern Railway change their flat car colour from black to red ?

Many thanks

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Discarded sign...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Ken, for posting this link.  Quite a bit of interesting information for railfans living in the area.  The map also shows the long-lost Miller’s river (now in a culvert and nearly invisible unless you know JUST where to look for it.  I’m surprised to see the round house labeled as “Auto truck st’ge” as I think most of that round house was still in use as such in 1935 (copyright date in small print beneath the graphic scale at the bottom).

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Discarded sign...

 

To beat this to death, the area is seen on this Sanborn map:

            https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3764cm.g03701193401/?sp=26

 

Photographer is standing toward left side of map, picture taken looking right.

The road with the crossing gates in the picture is the “road” with “EAST” text (leading to left side of [what used to be a] roundhouse)

Gantry crane shown.

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Discarded sign...

akerboomk
 

To beat this to death, the area is seen on this Sanborn map:

            https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3764cm.g03701193401/?sp=26

 

Photographer is standing toward left side of map, picture taken looking right.

The road with the crossing gates in the picture is the “road” with “EAST” text (leading to left side of [what used to be a] roundhouse)

Gantry crane shown.

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Discarded sign...

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 07:59 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Of course, we are likely all aware of what happened when the ERIE got that large class of Russian Decapods.
The Frisco had them too, and one ended up at the Illinois Railway Museum, where it runs on weekends during the summer. I was well acquainted with the gentleman, Dave Shore, who was the "messenger" (attendant) when it was moved to the museum. Dave related a story where, on learning the train was to pull into a yard before the Decapod was to be switched out, asking the conductor if there were any self guarding frogs in the yard. "No" was the response. Dave said about a minute later there was a loud BANG and the engine looked like it jumped up in the air. About a minute later it did it again. Dave pulled the air. Turns out the whole ladder was self guarding frogs, and the wide driver tires had actually broken the guard flanges off the two frogs it ran through. The train sat there until a switcher came in behind it and gingerly pulled the engine back out to the main and took it somewhere where there weren't any self guarding frogs.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Discarded sign...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Of course, we are likely all aware of what happened when the ERIE got that large class of Russian Decapods.

 

The gauge problem, narrowing the engines from 5’ gauge to American Standard, a mere 3½” difference, was done by applying new tires with a wide tread, moving the flanges inwards 1¾” on each side.  Worked real slick . . . until they encountered a self-guarding frog.  Resulted in a very rough ride, as the tread had to rise up over that hump . . .

 

The ERIE Decapods hauled lots of FREIGHT CARS.  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 10:16 PM
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David,
It's my understanding that the railroads tended to only use them on trackage not rated for "high speed", that of course being solely each railroad's decision to make in our era. Yes, the are a direct replacement for conventional frogs, but the "gathering range" of the guard flange is very short, so if wheel wear causes contact the sideways motion of the truck will be very abrupt.

Dennis Storzek

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