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T-Section Trucks

radiodial868
 

Anyone know of a HO source for the T-section trucks? I know of the Kadee version, but those flimsy springs and operation are a non-starter (plus look just silly)
The T-Section trucks look unique and are a nice alternative to the typical castframe trucks and really define a PFE reefer.
Thx,

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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Detailing for early tank cars

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I recall seeing such CB&Q cars in (probably) company service during the late 1950s and maybe into the early 1960s.

Don’t recall the number series but it should be able to come up with them from the “Ownership, Age & Condition” rosters.

I model in N Scale and so far we don’t have any such cars to letter up.

Charlie Vlk

 

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RE: High-platform tank cars

Note that anyone modeling a WW-II period “oil” tank car train could use a couple.

They weren’t many, but they did stand out in the pictures I have seen.

 

 


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Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

akerboomk
 

RE: sugar beets to 3D printer.

 

What I would do…

In 3D CAD, make one or 2 individual beets (probably a “profile” spline and a revolve would be enough?)

Then make a bunch scaled up/down (possibly non-uniform scale to get long-thin and short-fat ones as well as big & small)

Then make a “pile” (just a surface to use as a base) to fit your car (maybe 2 or 3 for “variety”)

Then (not sure how the “free” programs do this) start assembling various size beet models to the base. (this would be the hardest part)

“Fill in” underneath them (3D printing software may do this for you?)

Print away...

 

You may be able to scale the model (non-uniformly) to fit other cars.

 

 

 


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Re: Detailing for early tank cars

akerboomk
 

RE: High-platform tank cars

Note that anyone modeling a WW-II period “oil” tank car train could use a couple.

They weren’t many, but they did stand out in the pictures I have seen.

 

 


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Ken Akerboom


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Clark Propst
 

I made a mistake writing my email address it’s cepropst@q’com

Clark Propst

 

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Re: Detailing for early tank cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Ray,

I suspect this would need to be a labor of love. While some prototypes lasted into the 1940s, they were not common. Modelers with an earlier focus, like me and several others, could use more high walkway tank cars. Admittedly, we are a pretty small market for this type of detail product.

What would be useful is a metal etching production house that follows the Shapeways model. But again, it's a small market for even those details. Just my thoughts.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/03/2021 6:04 AM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


Given all of the very good recent photographs of tank cars, I am wondering about the availability of detailing kits for these?  The usual models of these leave some things to be desired...

Ray Hutchison 
Green Bay WI


photo search [was Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola (1952)]

Andy Carlson
 

Tim,
This was not my picture--I simply copied and cropped it from the earlier post, focusing more on the narrow gauge gondola(s).

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 7:51:48 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Andy and all - I fed your photo of the men in the narrow guage gondola to two
different image search engines -

GOOGLE and YANDEX

The Google search was a complete failure. Google has no understanding of what is shown.
The "similar" photos it offered were goofy.

The Yandex search was amazing! It found all kinds of photos of gondolas and open
cars with various types of cargoes - It KNEW that the photo was of a railroad car,
of an open car, with people - and something else - inside the car. The offered match
photos spanned the 1930's to the present and most were black & white but some color
matches were found too!




On 1/2/2021 1:36 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
For someone wishing to duplicate some elements of this scene in N scale, look at this one-piece narrow gauge high side gondola. My late friend made the pattern and I cast it it in resin.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

RR-2013
On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 10:07:43 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

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Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 08:28 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
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I think Bill had a couple of test castings made. He had shared images of the masters and prototype in a couple of emails a year or two ago. IIRC, he wasn't quite satisfied and was going to add a couple more details.
I think Aaron was working with Bill on those patterns. It definitely wasn't me. Would be both a tribute to Bill and a gift to the hobby if those patterns could be completed by someone with Aaron's skill. 

Tom Madden
 


Re: Sugar Beets Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70298 (1949)

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I'll look for the Chooch loads.

I wonder if a realistic sugar beet load can be done in 3-D printing. How would one specify
a highly irregular 3-D image to a machine?



On 1/2/2021 3:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:

looks good! I've never liked the idea of putting anything edible on the train table... Mice will eat
just about anything. Good looking resin beet loads would be great for HO scale :-)

   Such loads were indeed offered by Chooch, and often show up on eBay. I think they are pretty good.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


photo search [was Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola (1952)]

Tim O'Connor
 


Andy and all - I fed your photo of the men in the narrow guage gondola to two
different image search engines -

GOOGLE and YANDEX

The Google search was a complete failure. Google has no understanding of what is shown.
The "similar" photos it offered were goofy.

The Yandex search was amazing! It found all kinds of photos of gondolas and open
cars with various types of cargoes - It KNEW that the photo was of a railroad car,
of an open car, with people - and something else - inside the car. The offered match
photos spanned the 1930's to the present and most were black & white but some color
matches were found too!




On 1/2/2021 1:36 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
For someone wishing to duplicate some elements of this scene in N scale, look at this one-piece narrow gauge high side gondola. My late friend made the pattern and I cast it it in resin.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

RR-2013
On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 10:07:43 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:


Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Eric Hansmann
 

Hmmm. So it seems like you are telling us this is all Ted's fault your model took this long to complete. <wink>

Good job, Brian! Your model looks very nice. Much better than the two unbuilt kits of these in my stash, which I should probably sell.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/02/2021 8:14 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


It’s. Finally. Finished.
Probably my longest semi continuous build is finally done. I’ve posted about this before.

The never-ending model build - P&LE Rebuild
• Tichy kit originally purchased 15-18 years ago at Niagara Central Hobbies in
St. Catherines Ontario for $9.99 Canadian on clearance. (~2000-2003)
• Started the build shortly after Ted Culotta’s Essential Freight Cars article on these cars in the September 2004 RMC
• Order the P&LEHS magazine that had an article on these cars
• Broke/lost crossbearers during the build, replaced with similar evergreen
channel
• Didn’t like that there was no rivet detail on the sides of the ends. Ted harvested rivets for this, I tried but found it very tedious and difficult for me
to get a straight line.
• Kitbashed/modified the doors per the article, was never happy with them.
o Put the kit aside for the first time. (mid 2000’s)
• Archer surface decals released, Yeah! solved the rivet issue. (2014 ish)
• Order Speedwitch resin doors for the car. Misplaced the doors “someplace”on the workbench, never found.
o Put kit aside again (2014 ish)
• Speedwitch Media restocks resin doors for this car, order them again 2017-2018
• Pry off my first doors and clean up the body, install Speedwitch doors.
March 2018
• Install coupler lift bars and air hose brackets. April 2018
• Install shop trucks to bring the naked model to NERPM 18 because the Accurail Andrews trucks have disappeared, or more likely were installed on another project.
• Pack naked model for NERPM 5/30/18
Future… Prime and paint model, Letter with Speedwitch decals summer 18… I hope, but now that I look at the stirrup steps I may replace them
too….Maybe.

Well, paint and decaling finally happened in 2020, (Lt wt settled slightly, ugh) and I did replace the stirrups. Andrew’s trucks were purchased in November, I think. Bought a dozen so I have some for future work.

I’m sure I am not the only one with a project like this.
*Route cards still need to be added. I need to read Tony’s blogs again. All my cars are missing them.

Brian J. Carlson





Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Eric Hansmann
 

I think Bill had a couple of test castings made. He had shared images of the masters and prototype in a couple of emails a year or two ago. IIRC, he wasn't quite satisfied and was going to add a couple more details.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 01/03/2021 7:46 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


The Bill Welch auto box?  Anyone know how far Bill got with that proposed kit?
Clark Propst


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Eric Hansmann
 

Ron,

Pop that model into a Ziplock plastic bag and set it in your freezer overnight. That should weaken the CA bonds so you can remove detail. Of course, it will weaken all CA bonds but it's a step to consider.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 01/03/2021 7:12 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


I built one as-is, sometime in the early 2000s.  At the time, I was happy to have a distinctive car that went together in slightly less time than an early Sunshine.  It's somewhere in one of the twenty car carriers that my freight cars now live in, awaiting transfer to the new railroad.  But clearly I missed something.  I'm sure I used the decals in the kit, too.

But, on the positive side, I too am fishing out cars that I set aside for some reason, or maybe for no reason, to at last get them finished and on the railroad.  Those are mostly Sunshine (note reference above).  I have a couple that I'm contemplating removing the roofs from, in one case because it's actually the wrong roof (T&P box) and in other cases the roof was not well done, sometimes because I didn't get it aligned right, and in one case because there is a much better one (C&NW, subject of a Shake-n-Take from a few years ago).

I thought about attacking the roof with a Dremel saw, as being less injurious to the car body than some kind of chemical attack on the cyanoacrylate cement.  If anybody has done this, I'd be interested to hear results.

Ron Merrick



Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

Clark Propst
 

The Bill Welch auto box?  Anyone know how far Bill got with that proposed kit?
Clark Propst


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Clark Propst
 

>One thing I am still not sure if I screwed up is the side ladders. Tichy really doesn't describe how far to locate the ladders from the end and of course remind you that they are at the same elevation as the end rungs. Beginners luck on the elevation anyway Bob Allan<

 

There’s a jig in the kit for drilling the side grabs.

 

I have a Tichy build I’d like to sell. Speedwitch decals and doors. I will replace the couplers with KD #5s with trip pin. Need to reduce my box car fleet…Please submit offers to Cepropst@q.com Sale ends Tuesday. Thanks!

Clark Propst

 


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

O Fenton Wells
 

Ron, I built a SR (Sunshine) box early on and thought I had done a good job.  Then I saw the same car built by Craig Zini and realized that I had not applied the roof correctly.  The kit is no longer available but I disassembled it anyway with ACC debonder, some parts came loose some broke but I persevered and rebuilt, painted and decaled it..  I have attached a photo.
A few years later I built the second version of the car for the Shake 'N Take at Cocoa (Sunshine did not do this version) . The earlier version could have been built the same way.
My point is go for it and you can recover or if not find another way to accomplish your goal, and you will learn alot along the way.
First photo ids the rebuilt Sunshine car SR @272123
Second photo is the later version of the same car SR #272522 kitbashed from an IM kit for the  Shake 'N Take at Cocoa
Keep on building
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 9:12 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
I built one as-is, sometime in the early 2000s.  At the time, I was happy to have a distinctive car that went together in slightly less time than an early Sunshine.  It's somewhere in one of the twenty car carriers that my freight cars now live in, awaiting transfer to the new railroad.  But clearly I missed something.  I'm sure I used the decals in the kit, too.

But, on the positive side, I too am fishing out cars that I set aside for some reason, or maybe for no reason, to at last get them finished and on the railroad.  Those are mostly Sunshine (note reference above).  I have a couple that I'm contemplating removing the roofs from, in one case because it's actually the wrong roof (T&P box) and in other cases the roof was not well done, sometimes because I didn't get it aligned right, and in one case because there is a much better one (C&NW, subject of a Shake-n-Take from a few years ago).

I thought about attacking the roof with a Dremel saw, as being less injurious to the car body than some kind of chemical attack on the cyanoacrylate cement.  If anybody has done this, I'd be interested to hear results.

Ron Merrick



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Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

mopacfirst
 

I built one as-is, sometime in the early 2000s.  At the time, I was happy to have a distinctive car that went together in slightly less time than an early Sunshine.  It's somewhere in one of the twenty car carriers that my freight cars now live in, awaiting transfer to the new railroad.  But clearly I missed something.  I'm sure I used the decals in the kit, too.

But, on the positive side, I too am fishing out cars that I set aside for some reason, or maybe for no reason, to at last get them finished and on the railroad.  Those are mostly Sunshine (note reference above).  I have a couple that I'm contemplating removing the roofs from, in one case because it's actually the wrong roof (T&P box) and in other cases the roof was not well done, sometimes because I didn't get it aligned right, and in one case because there is a much better one (C&NW, subject of a Shake-n-Take from a few years ago).

I thought about attacking the roof with a Dremel saw, as being less injurious to the car body than some kind of chemical attack on the cyanoacrylate cement.  If anybody has done this, I'd be interested to hear results.

Ron Merrick


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Dave Lawler
 

 

 

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Wow! That’s real devotion. Nice model Brian.

 

Dave Lawler


Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

William Reed
 

Another scene from Montrose clearly showing the size difference between NG and SG. 454 switching an Auto Box.  I have a model of this box car I'm building in P48 (O scale). 


William
aka drgwk37


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Lots of interesting stuff in this photo including the hand transfer from the narrow gauge gon to a standard gauge one.  Several oil jobbers.  NSC end on the CN boxcar, Murphy end on the SSW boxcar, etc.

 

This is one to savor.

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

 

Photo: D&RGW Gondola 70609 (1952)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/81323/rec/349

Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image to get a good view of the gondola.

Taken at Montrose, Colorado.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: P&LE USRA rebuild

Robert Allan
 
Edited

Thanks for posting notes on your journey, which seems to end well. Would you show details on the end rivet add?

I finished a straight up Tichy kit earlier this year, but have the Speedwitch doors to repeat and improve (hopefully) my effort.

One thing I am still not sure if I screwed up is the side ladders. Tichy really doesn't describe how far to locate the ladders from the end and of course remind you that they are at the same elevation as the end rungs. Beginners luck on the elevation anyway.

Bob Allan
Omaha

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