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PRR G25 gondolas

genegreen1942@...
 

There appears to be more than one number series for PRR G25 gondolas.  Would all G25 gons have the same appearance regardless of number series?  Same appearance but different stenciling?

PRR G25 gons 825392 (825288-825436) and 840410 (840319-840440) were on the M&StL in February 1949 and May 1950 respectively, hauling "steel" and "pig iron" respectively.  

Would the photo of PRR G25 gondola 316084 (eBay item #121669089356 from Ted Culotta) show me what 825392 or 840410 should look like?

Gene Green


Re: Hoppers from early 20th century

naptownprr
 

Some of the earliest hoppers were also wood - there's one n the museum in Strasburg, PA.

 

Jim Hunter


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 10:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Hoppers from early 20th century
unter
 

On 6/8/2015 6:58 AM, water.kresse@... [STMFC] wrote:

I believe they were wooden flat-bottom gondola cars . . . about ready to bust in the middle.  Good catch. 

    John Allen would have loved those!  Interesting that the steel cars have archbar trucks.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Hoppers from early 20th century

Jon Miller
 

On 6/8/2015 6:58 AM, water.kresse@... [STMFC] wrote:

I believe they were wooden flat-bottom gondola cars . . . about ready to bust in the middle.  Good catch. 

    John Allen would have loved those!  Interesting that the steel cars have archbar trucks.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Hoppers from early 20th century

water.kresse@...
 

I believe they were wooden flat-bottom gondola cars . . . about ready to bust in the middle.  Good catch. 
 
The C&O kept 40-ton wooden FB gons and hopper cars around through WW One to meet demand for more cars . . . . didn't interchange them and mainly used them on short runs from mines to say blast furnaces.  They had a set of 30-ton wooden gons that got 40-ton trucks and were used to carry limestone on daily twenty-mile round trips. Pig-iron operations picked older cars also. to shuttle materials between various operations on branch lines into the twenties.
 
Al Kresse


From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 11:26:22 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Hoppers from early 20th century

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-07-15/C1106.jpg

 

Interesting to see wood truss rod hoppers mixed in with early steel hoppers.

 

Schuyler



Re: Hoppers from early 20th century

Bruce Smith
 

John,

No 6’ gauge in 1912, afaik ;)  

I think that the center track is demonstrating a style of guard rail.  I can’t tell if the guard rails are the inner or outer rails, but there are photos of up to 5 rails on a PRR line at a similar time.  One theory is that the extra rails may have provided additional support for blind locomotive drivers on tighter curves, but that theory has the logical problem that the support is only on one side of the rail, yet the track curves in both directions.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 8, 2015, at 2:59 AM, John Larkin jflarkingrc@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Also interesting is the center track which looks like dual guage or long gauntlet track.  Don't  I've ever seen a piece quite like this.  Wasn't the Erir 6' originally?

John Larkin





Re: Hoppers from early 20th century

Eric Hansmann
 

I think that's a main line. It looks heftier than the other tracks and is elevated a bit. As this seems like a sharp S curve, I'm inclined to think the extra rails are guard rails. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jun 8, 2015, at 1:59 AM, John Larkin jflarkingrc@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Also interesting is the center track which looks like dual guage or long gauntlet track.  Don't  I've ever seen a piece quite like this.  Wasn't the Erir 6' originally?

John Larkin


Re: Hoppers from early 20th century

John Larkin
 

Also interesting is the center track which looks like dual guage or long gauntlet track.  Don't  I've ever seen a piece quite like this.  Wasn't the Erir 6' originally?

John Larkin


Hoppers from early 20th century

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-07-15/C1106.jpg

 

Interesting to see wood truss rod hoppers mixed in with early steel hoppers.

 

Schuyler


Virginian Bx10 SS Build

Bill Welch
 

For those interested in how my scratch built replacement side for the Virginian's SS Bx10 once it was assembled with F&C ends and resin copy of the Accurail Hutchins roof can find three new photos with the car painted and decaled in the folder "Virginian BX10 Replacement Side" over on the Resin Builders Yahoo Group.

For new Resinators here the address for the builder membership site is: Resin freight cars

 The more resinators the better!


Bill Welch


Re: Communications Between RR shops

Charles Peck
 

There was a list of standardized repairs at fixed prices.  For extensive or special repairs, the owner was
asked if they wanted local repair or send home for repair.  For damage as in wrecked equipment, there
was another protocol for repaying the depreciated value or replace in kind.  
Chuck Peck in Florida

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 10:15 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

When a freight was being repaired in a Non-owners Repair Shops, i.e. sheathing being replaced: trucks being swapped out for whatever reason; etc., was there communications with the owner RR or were the repairs simply made and the owner RR invoiced. Was there a formalized agreement of some kind or was there simply "gentleman's" agreement. Was there a difference in wartime—WWI, WWII, Korea—vs peacetime?


Bill Welch



Communications Between RR shops

Bill Welch
 

When a freight was being repaired in a Non-owners Repair Shops, i.e. sheathing being replaced: trucks being swapped out for whatever reason; etc., was there communications with the owner RR or were the repairs simply made and the owner RR invoiced. Was there a formalized agreement of some kind or was there simply "gentleman's" agreement. Was there a difference in wartime—WWI, WWII, Korea—vs peacetime?


Bill Welch


Re: Peter Stackpole photos (LIFE)

Tim O'Connor
 


This collection has been available for years -- whenever you use
Google Images search, you can specify the collection this way:

  source:life

The images aren't well organized -- you can search for "railroad",
"train", "station", "terminal", etc etc and find various images that
are related to railroads. And of course many other search words will
reveal rail images even though "railroad" isn't how they are stored.

If you search for "Peter Stackpole" you will find the images Jeff
mentioned, and you may be quite surprised by what else you find !!! :-)

Tim O'Connor



  Permit me to call these photos to your attention:
  http://images.google.com/hosted/life/72941a1fc7cd792c.html .
  By always clicking on the leftmost of the �Related images�, one can cycle
  through all of the photos in this collection.
  Regards,
  - Jeff


Peter Stackpole photos (LIFE)

Aley, Jeff A
 

Permit me to call these photos to your attention:

 

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/72941a1fc7cd792c.html .

 

By always clicking on the leftmost of the “Related images”, one can cycle through all of the photos in this collection.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 


Re: Texas Central Peanut cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Yes, it is SK-Q 68600, and the location is called Matthews Switch. Of course the ATSF never ran through there, but I am glad it is preserved.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 7:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 

 

On highway 6 a few miles north of Albany there is an ATSF stock car as part of a historical marker.

 

Charlie, on the old Orient line

 

 

Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:27 PM

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 




Yes I did. And the panhandle is full of outside braced box cars and SFRD ice reefers.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 

 

Did you take pictures of the MKT caboose as well?

 

Charlie

 

 

Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 





I drove through Gorman, DeLeon, and Dublin Texas this week and saw 4 boxcars labeled Texas Central. However, they were originally N&W 48000-48999. They now have 4 roof hatches in the center of the roof, I assume for peanut loading. That area is currently served by the FW&W and has peanut plants at Gorman and DeLeon.

 

The MKT operated the line from 1914 - 1967. The new TC ran it from 1967 - ? .  My question is when were the N&W cars sold to the TC and converted to peanut hauling?

 

Also in Dublin is CCCX 568,  a 1945 GATX ICC-103-A sulphuric Acid riveted tank car,  7611 gallon. Yes, I took lots of photos.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen San difer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 


prototypes for Accurail gon?

ed_mines
 

Besides ACL & WLE?


Anyone else notice that with an addition of ladders it's close to the T&P gon featured in the RMC planbook?


Ed Mines


Re: Rocket Express Models Kit 1.1

Bill Welch
 

To the extent a photo of the 50-foot model built up is any help, here is a link to a photo of mine: Steam Era Freight Cars - Models - Box Cars - RI 262789

  Both kits build up easily and the decals are very good. I built them over ten years ago and highly recommend both kits whether you "need' them or not.


Bill Welch


Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

caboose9792@...
 

There was industrial standards for riveting and fabrication work I have never crossed referenced the specifications myself. Also Handy is the AISC data sheets on structural shapes both current standards and "historical" specifications including size of features. I find it helpful when trying to figure out missing specifications say depth of a "hat section"  when only the with can be determined. Also helping with scaling is regulatory specified dimensions such as those for safety appliances or interchange rules.

Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 5/31/2015 4:38:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

There is a strong possibility of this being a dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway.

During the tome period covered by this list, was there a "standard" rivet spacing used on freight cars? Reason I ask is, I'm wondering if it could be used to determine exterior dimensions from photos.

Thanks
Paolo Roffo


Re: Texas Central Peanut cars

Charles Morrill
 

On highway 6 a few miles north of Albany there is an ATSF stock car as part of a historical marker.
 
Charlie, on the old Orient line
 
 

Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars
 


Yes I did. And the panhandle is full of outside braced box cars and SFRD ice reefers.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 

 

Did you take pictures of the MKT caboose as well?

 

Charlie

 

 

Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 8:14 PM

To: STMFC@...

Subject: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 




I drove through Gorman, DeLeon, and Dublin Texas this week and saw 4 boxcars labeled Texas Central. However, they were originally N&W 48000-48999. They now have 4 roof hatches in the center of the roof, I assume for peanut loading. That area is currently served by the FW&W and has peanut plants at Gorman and DeLeon.

 

The MKT operated the line from 1914 - 1967. The new TC ran it from 1967 - ? .  My question is when were the N&W cars sold to the TC and converted to peanut hauling?

 

Also in Dublin is CCCX 568,  a 1945 GATX ICC-103-A sulphuric Acid riveted tank car,  7611 gallon. Yes, I took lots of photos.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen San difer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 


Re: UP in Kansas

mwbauers
 

And thank you for pointing me to the new Yahoo link that sends replies directly to the previous poster.

Somehow that was hidden well enough in the woods that I hadn’t seen it before and had been using a much more clumsy way of responding to just the sender.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:07 PM, 'Mike Brock' brockm@cfl.rr.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Mike Bauer responds to Tony Thompson's note that Bauer's message about
various PC software systems is not a frt car message with:


"Sorry, I mis-sent that….."

Which just barely kept him from being placed in Moderate Jail...along with a
few others. In fact the message welcoming him to his cell was already
written. I did feel that we should first remove some of the signs of the
recent occupants of the cell [ actually, rats ] before the welcoming
ceremony and Mike's apologizing message beat us to the punch. However, I'm
certain that we'll be able to use the cell soon.

Mike Brock
Head Jailer


Re: Texas Central Peanut cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Yes I did. And the panhandle is full of outside braced box cars and SFRD ice reefers.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 

 

Did you take pictures of the MKT caboose as well?

 

Charlie

 

 

Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Texas Central Peanut cars

 




I drove through Gorman, DeLeon, and Dublin Texas this week and saw 4 boxcars labeled Texas Central. However, they were originally N&W 48000-48999. They now have 4 roof hatches in the center of the roof, I assume for peanut loading. That area is currently served by the FW&W and has peanut plants at Gorman and DeLeon.

 

The MKT operated the line from 1914 - 1967. The new TC ran it from 1967 - ? .  My question is when were the N&W cars sold to the TC and converted to peanut hauling?

 

Also in Dublin is CCCX 568,  a 1945 GATX ICC-103-A sulphuric Acid riveted tank car,  7611 gallon. Yes, I took lots of photos.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen San difer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

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