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Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Jack Mullen
 

Fred Jansz asked:
And now about the cars numbered in 1947 into 8051-8085 (the later 'store material service' cars); were they survivers from the orginal 15001-16000 batch from 1916?  Or were they taken from the plaster batch numbered 26001-26125?
There's good evidence that the 8051 series was a renumbering of the surviving members of the 15001-16000 series, rather than a group pulled out of the 26001 series.
  • 35 cars in the 8051 series matches the number remaining in the 15001 series in 1942 and 1945 ORERs
  • The July 1950 ORER shows 122 cars still in series 26001-26125
  • It's fairly obvious that the 1947 diagram page for the 8051 series is the original page for the 15001 series, with the number series erased and relettered.
That said, the ORER entries for 15001-16000 note that the series has archbar trucks.  The photo of 8078 shows it received Andrews trucks at some point, as did the 26001 series.

Jack Mullen


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

Guys I did not intend to imply that whatever I have in terms of the One-Level Dalman trucks would be available.

Bill Welch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Schleigh Mike
 

Bill Welch wrote----

"I am not sure what the source was or how he got hold of them but for a few years at Naperville Martin Lofton had some brass trucks that he said were Dalman "One-Level" trucks. I think I bought some although I have no idea if I will ever find a way to use them if I find them, LOL."

We discussed this brass truck model a few weeks back and I think I was part of the discussion when I asked if a 70 ton version of the Dalman truck was available.  It was (again, I think) that this truck that Martin had been selling was intended as a 70 ton Dalman.  The distinction may have been the longer wheelbase and more springs visible under the bolster.

I know of a number of late 1920s era 70 ton gondolas and hoppers I would love to equip with the proper Dalman.  Bill, I would love to have a few of those you do not want.

Regards to all----MikeSchleigh



Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

Wow Brian I have all of those kits. Hmm, I guess I better find those trucks.

Bill Welch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

brianleppert@att.net
 

Canadian Pacific bought a variety of trucks for their miniboxes, including 1-level and 2-level Dalmans.  Santa Fe used 1-level Dalmans under Bx12 and Bx13 box cars (Westerfield).  Sunshine made the Central of Georgia 18001-18500 series gondolas, which used the 1-level also.  Bill, surely you bought one of these kits?

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
"Freight Car Trucks for the Prototype Modeler"


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Dave but I guess I will need at least one pair the my own Mini Box.

Bill Welch


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Fred Jansz
 

And 35 of these received 2 or 4 hatches in 1950 as per Tim's research.

And now about the cars numbered in 1947 into 8051-8085 (the later 'store material service' cars); were they survivers from the orginal 15001-16000 batch from 1916?

Or were they taken from the plaster batch numbered 26001-26125?

Fred Jansz


Re: Steam Era Freight cars website?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks much Jack, works for me!
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Steam Era Freight cars website?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks much Roy!
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Dave Parker
 

Bill:

According Richard's 2013 article in MRH, the Dalman 1-level trucks came along after the 2-level version, some time in the late 1920s, and were "equally popular" for a brief period.  I have no idea which (or how many) roads used them; perhaps Brian has some formation?

The 1-level Dalmans are the correct truck for the iconic (for some of us) CP 1929 "minibox" that was nicely detailed by John Riddell in the November 1993 Mainline Modeler.  A resin kit was available from Yankee Clipper, and is now offered by F&C.

If you find yours and wish to part with a set, please let me know.  I have an unbuilt CP minibox waiting in the queue.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

I am not sure what the source was or how he got hold of them but for a few years at Naperville Martin Lofton had some brass trucks that he said were Dalman "One-Level" trucks. I think I bought some although I have no idea if I will ever find a way to use them if I find them, LOL.

Bill Welch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim, I wasn't aware of Dalman trucks used by D&H or NYC. Can you tell me more?
According to my notes they were both on depressed center flat cars. I don't have
the (magazine) photos in front of me but they're probably not the same as your Dalman
truck models.

Tim


Re: ERIE box cars, 68200-68274

ed_mines
 

These cars were built around the same time as 98200 series 40 ft auto box cars. See fallen flags site for 98200 photos. I'd call it an inverse Buckeye end.


Ed Mines


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Dave Nelson
 

Per the 1950 report to the ICC, the WP shipped 15,870 tons to local destinations and another 40,518 tons to connecting roads.  In 1956 the local shipments were almost identical, the outbound reduced to 30k tons.  Gerlach is in NW Nevada… about as far away from anything non Burning Man as you can get.   I do not know how much went east to Salt Lake City or how much went west into California but I do know that a Wallboard plant was built in Fremont CA sometime in the mid 50’s and they received plaster for many years.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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Essentially, 100 entered plaster service as 26001-26100 in 1937, with another 25 added in 1942.


Re: Dahlman truck applications

brianleppert@att.net
 

Tahoe Model Works offers two different versions of the Dalman 2-Level truck.  TMW-101/201 is the "plain" version.  TMW-102/202 includes detail for the Barber Lateral Motion Device.  Both trucks have separate User lists on sunshinekits.com's website.  The list for the Dalman truck w/BLM includes cars used by AT&SF, CN, CP, CNJ, CB&Q, C&NW, CStPM&O, IC, MILW, MP (including I-GN and StLB&M), NP, RI and SP.

I compiled these lists from what information I had.  Sometimes a Morning Sun color guide was the best I had, so I'm sure I missed a lot.

Tim, I wasn't aware of Dalman trucks used by D&H or NYC.  Can you tell me more?

I have never seen the "dahlman" spelling used in the railroad industry press.  "Dalman" is what is used.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
"Freight Car Trucks for the Prototype Modeler"


Re: Steam Era Freight cars website?

roy wojahn
 

I just tested this and it works.  Try  

steamerafreightcars.com


Roy Wojahn


Re: Steam Era Freight cars website?

Jack Burgess
 

This one works:



http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/



Jack Burgess



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I have searched through the message archives and cannot find the info from awhile back listing the new link to the Steam Era Freight cars website, the old link no longer works, for me anyway. Is there a new link? Appreciate the help.
Bud Rindfleisch












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Re: ERIE box cars, 68200-68274

water.kresse@...
 

That is an AMC Mechanical Dept  Drwg Series Number.
Al Kresse


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Subject: [STMFC] ERIE box cars, 68200-68274

 

In the 1952 ERIE Freight Equipment Diagram Book reproduced by the ELHS, Diagram 8-6 covers a series of 50’ double-door box cars, numbers 68200-68274.  They were built by Magor Car Corporation, Passaic NJ, Aug-Sept 1934.  The doors were widened at some point so they appear to be 2½ door cars, with a half-door at the left of the original double doors.

 

The diagram carries a reference to “General drawing of car – No. 139-11-215 and 135-11-240.”

 

Does anyone know where those drawings might be found?  Are they Magor drawing numbers?  Are the Magor records, especially drawings, preserved somewhere, and where might that be?

 

I have a ¾ view of No. 68240, which is near-broadside, sourced from Bob’s Photo.  Does anyone know of other photos of these cars?  End views would be particularly helpful.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Schuyler

 



Steam Era Freight cars website?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

I have searched through the message archives and cannot find the info from awhile back listing the new link to the Steam Era Freight cars website, the old link no longer works, for me anyway. Is there a new link? Appreciate the help.
    Bud Rindfleisch



Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Tim O'Connor
 


my info came from the equipment register. you'd have to look at 1941-1950 ORER's
to find out exactly when hatches were added.



At 6/3/2015 04:17 AM Wednesday, you wrote:


Interesting, thanks Tim.
I see in this diagram from 1958 that 35 cars indeed had hatches. http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/BC26001-26125.html
If I may ask; where does your info that 35 hatches were added in 1950 come from? This would be essential info for the Westerfield kit of the model.
In the 1958 diagrams I cannot find the 35 store material service cars 8051-8085 that were supposed to be converted in 1947.
Also in the 1968 diagrams collection I cannot locate these 35 MW cars, but surprize surprize: the 26001-26125 cars are still on the roster. Last diagram change of these cars was 1964!
http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1968/bc26001.html

Fred Jansz

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