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Re: ? about car stenciling...

water.kresse@...
 

Exterior versus interior dimensions.  Al Kresse


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I'm seeing in reefer pictures in particular, car stenciling that says EXW 9FT 11 IN  H 3 FT 7 IN...what does the "EX" stand for? What height does the H stand for in that label?
TIA, Clark Cone





Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Like many lines, the WP converted most of their freight cars to cast steel trucks just before WWII. Andrews trucks were the WP's choice. Series 15001 were originally on archbar trucks, so this should come as no surprise. Some of the double-sheathed cars in series 17001 were never converted for some reason, and were renumbered into series 317001 circa 1938. A few cars from this series were "sold" to subsidiary Sacramento Northern in 1948, and were finally converted to Andrews. The rest were scrapped in the early 1950s. I have seen no evidence that any cars from the 15001 series remained on archbar trucks. If so, these may be the missing cars otherwise not accounted for and were simply retired before the archbar ban went into effect.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/3/15 9:56 PM, jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Fred Jansz asked:

And now about the cars numbered in 1947 into 8051-8085 (the later 'store material service' cars); were they survivers from the orginal 15001-16000 batch from 1916?  Or were they taken from the plaster batch numbered 26001-26125?
There's good evidence that the 8051 series was a renumbering of the surviving members of the 15001-16000 series, rather than a group pulled out of the 26001 series.
  • 35 cars in the 8051 series matches the number remaining in the 15001 series in 1942 and 1945 ORERs
  • The July 1950 ORER shows 122 cars still in series 26001-26125
  • It's fairly obvious that the 1947 diagram page for the 8051 series is the original page for the 15001 series, with the number series erased and relettered.
That said, the ORER entries for 15001-16000 note that the series has archbar trucks.  The photo of 8078 shows it received Andrews trucks at some point, as did the 26001 series.

Jack Mullen


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks Jack, that's valuable info.
Btw: 15001-16000 series cars had AB brakes and Andrews trucks added somewhere in the 1930's.
I'm very curious if the WP 8051 and 26001 series cars show up in later years ORER files.
Dumb question: can I find the ORER files somewhere online?

Fred Jansz


Re: ? about car stenciling...

Bruce Smith
 

EX - extreme, meaning the widest point on the car

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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I'm seeing in reefer pictures in particular, car stenciling that says EXW 9FT 11 IN  H 3 FT 7 IN...what does the "EX" stand for? What height does the H stand for in that label?
TIA, Clark Cone





? about car stenciling...

Misc Clark
 

I'm seeing in reefer pictures in particular, car stenciling that says EXW 9FT 11 IN  H 3 FT 7 IN...what does the "EX" stand for? What height does the H stand for in that label?
TIA, Clark Cone



Re: ERIE box cars, 68200-68274

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ah, yes, that's correct, Ed, and the fact that they are inverse is what
makes them very difficult to model.



BTW, that one photo on the Fallen Flags site of 68200 is the original
configuration, without the raised roof or the extra half-door.



Schuyler



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These cars were built around the same time as 98200 series 40 ft auto box
cars. See fallen flags site for 98200 photos. I'd call it an inverse Buckeye
end.



Ed Mines


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Jack Mullen
 

Fred Jansz asked:
And now about the cars numbered in 1947 into 8051-8085 (the later 'store material service' cars); were they survivers from the orginal 15001-16000 batch from 1916?  Or were they taken from the plaster batch numbered 26001-26125?
There's good evidence that the 8051 series was a renumbering of the surviving members of the 15001-16000 series, rather than a group pulled out of the 26001 series.
  • 35 cars in the 8051 series matches the number remaining in the 15001 series in 1942 and 1945 ORERs
  • The July 1950 ORER shows 122 cars still in series 26001-26125
  • It's fairly obvious that the 1947 diagram page for the 8051 series is the original page for the 15001 series, with the number series erased and relettered.
That said, the ORER entries for 15001-16000 note that the series has archbar trucks.  The photo of 8078 shows it received Andrews trucks at some point, as did the 26001 series.

Jack Mullen


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

Guys I did not intend to imply that whatever I have in terms of the One-Level Dalman trucks would be available.

Bill Welch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Schleigh Mike
 

Bill Welch wrote----

"I am not sure what the source was or how he got hold of them but for a few years at Naperville Martin Lofton had some brass trucks that he said were Dalman "One-Level" trucks. I think I bought some although I have no idea if I will ever find a way to use them if I find them, LOL."

We discussed this brass truck model a few weeks back and I think I was part of the discussion when I asked if a 70 ton version of the Dalman truck was available.  It was (again, I think) that this truck that Martin had been selling was intended as a 70 ton Dalman.  The distinction may have been the longer wheelbase and more springs visible under the bolster.

I know of a number of late 1920s era 70 ton gondolas and hoppers I would love to equip with the proper Dalman.  Bill, I would love to have a few of those you do not want.

Regards to all----MikeSchleigh



Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

Wow Brian I have all of those kits. Hmm, I guess I better find those trucks.

Bill Welch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

brianleppert@att.net
 

Canadian Pacific bought a variety of trucks for their miniboxes, including 1-level and 2-level Dalmans.  Santa Fe used 1-level Dalmans under Bx12 and Bx13 box cars (Westerfield).  Sunshine made the Central of Georgia 18001-18500 series gondolas, which used the 1-level also.  Bill, surely you bought one of these kits?

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
"Freight Car Trucks for the Prototype Modeler"


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Dave but I guess I will need at least one pair the my own Mini Box.

Bill Welch


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Fred Jansz
 

And 35 of these received 2 or 4 hatches in 1950 as per Tim's research.

And now about the cars numbered in 1947 into 8051-8085 (the later 'store material service' cars); were they survivers from the orginal 15001-16000 batch from 1916?

Or were they taken from the plaster batch numbered 26001-26125?

Fred Jansz


Re: Steam Era Freight cars website?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks much Jack, works for me!
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Steam Era Freight cars website?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks much Roy!
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Dave Parker
 

Bill:

According Richard's 2013 article in MRH, the Dalman 1-level trucks came along after the 2-level version, some time in the late 1920s, and were "equally popular" for a brief period.  I have no idea which (or how many) roads used them; perhaps Brian has some formation?

The 1-level Dalmans are the correct truck for the iconic (for some of us) CP 1929 "minibox" that was nicely detailed by John Riddell in the November 1993 Mainline Modeler.  A resin kit was available from Yankee Clipper, and is now offered by F&C.

If you find yours and wish to part with a set, please let me know.  I have an unbuilt CP minibox waiting in the queue.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Bill Welch
 

I am not sure what the source was or how he got hold of them but for a few years at Naperville Martin Lofton had some brass trucks that he said were Dalman "One-Level" trucks. I think I bought some although I have no idea if I will ever find a way to use them if I find them, LOL.

Bill Welch


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim, I wasn't aware of Dalman trucks used by D&H or NYC. Can you tell me more?
According to my notes they were both on depressed center flat cars. I don't have
the (magazine) photos in front of me but they're probably not the same as your Dalman
truck models.

Tim


Re: ERIE box cars, 68200-68274

ed_mines
 

These cars were built around the same time as 98200 series 40 ft auto box cars. See fallen flags site for 98200 photos. I'd call it an inverse Buckeye end.


Ed Mines


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Dave Nelson
 

Per the 1950 report to the ICC, the WP shipped 15,870 tons to local destinations and another 40,518 tons to connecting roads.  In 1956 the local shipments were almost identical, the outbound reduced to 30k tons.  Gerlach is in NW Nevada… about as far away from anything non Burning Man as you can get.   I do not know how much went east to Salt Lake City or how much went west into California but I do know that a Wallboard plant was built in Fremont CA sometime in the mid 50’s and they received plaster for many years.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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Essentially, 100 entered plaster service as 26001-26100 in 1937, with another 25 added in 1942.

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