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Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Fred Jansz
 

Ah, here they are, 1947 diagram: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1947/BC8051-8055.html

Now car 8078 (see added photo on this list) has a SAC 7-56 date on it.
I have a few questions:

- Does this mean the 1947 renumbering of the 35 cars (8051-8085) was just that; a new number range added to the last 35 cars in revenue service?

- Did these cars come from the 125 car 'plaster batch' renumbered earlier into 26001-26125?

- Does this also mean car 8078 (plus the rest) was converted to MW store material dervice car in 7-56? It looks rather new in the picture.

Hope someone has the answer.
Fred Jansz




Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Fred Jansz
 

Interesting, thanks Tim.
I see in this diagram from 1958 that 35 cars indeed had hatches. http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/BC26001-26125.html
If I may ask; where does your info that 35 hatches were added in 1950 come from? This would be essential info for the Westerfield kit of the model.
In the 1958 diagrams I cannot find the 35 store material service cars 8051-8085 that were supposed to be converted in 1947.
Also in the 1968 diagrams collection I cannot locate these 35 MW cars, but surprize surprize: the 26001-26125 cars are still on the roster. Last diagram change of these cars was 1964!
http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1968/bc26001.html


Fred Jansz


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Tim O'Connor
 


  - 1937: 100 cars renumbered  26001-26100 for plaster service*
  - 1942: 25 more cars renumbered 26101-26125 for plaster service*

  Fred Jansz

  * some had hatches, some didn't. Don't know which numbers were 'hatched'. #26123 sure had 'em.

--------------

Fred, from the 1950 ORER: (no hatches listed in 1940)

  2-hatch 26004 26005 26006 26010 26014 26041 26044 26045 26055 26056
          26059 26062 26068 26079 26098

  4-hatch 26002 26004 26007 26027 26035 26063 26074 26076 26091 26092
          26101 26103 26104 26107 26110 26111 26112 26120 26123 26124

Tim O'Connor


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Fred Jansz
 

Here's my timeline of the WP 15001 series cars (the many other MW cars would need a thourough research). Others were probably scrapped as Garth already mentioned:

- 1916: built by Pullman 15001-16000

- 1927-1928: 200 cars into stock cars 75801-76000

- 1936-1937: 232 cars into stock cars 76001-76233

- 1936: car 15074 (plus a 1201 series tank car) into MW1575, combination water-coal

- 1937: 100 cars renumbered  26001-26100 for plaster service*

- 1937: 12 cars into cupola cabooses nrs 605-616, tender steps

- 1937: car 15716 built into comination-caboose WP403

- 1938: 12 cars into cupola cabooses, 617-628, passenger steps.

- 1942: 4 cars into cupola cabooses; 639-642, pass. steps

- 1942: 25 more cars renumbered 26101-26125 for plaster service*

- 1943: 2 cars into bay window caboose 629 & 643 with full heigt bay (experimental)

- 1943: 25 cars into bay window cabooses 644-668

- 1944: 12 cars into bay window cabooses 669-680

- 1945: 10 cars into bay window cabooses 694-703

- 1947: 35 cars into MW 'store material service' nrs. 8051-8085
   these lasted untill WP/UP-merger in 1983.

Fred Jansz
* some had hatches, some didn't. Don't know which numbers were 'hatched'. #26123 sure had 'em.


---In STMFC@..., <sarahsan@...> wrote :

Tim,

The best summary for the conversion history is here: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1947/BC8051-8055.html . Essentially, 100 entered plaster service as 26001-26100 in 1937, with another 25 added in 1942. Other groups: 8051-8055, the last of the class in general service; stock cars 75801-76232, cabooses 605 all the way to 703 (the last ten are shown in the 1958 diagrams). In addition, see caboose/combine 403 at http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/passenger/1947/caboosebaggage.html . It is a little harder to spot the MW cars, but most of those represented by plan views of the interiors were converted from these boxcars: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/mow/1947/index.html .

Adding up all the known conversions doesn't come anywhere near 1,000 cars: I get 812 (including 87 cabooses). Maybe more than 168 were converted to MW, but I'm thinking a lot were probably just scrapped after WWII.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 6/2/15 6:28 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
 


     >> Were these cars renumbered at some point? Someone said there were many still
     >> on the roster in 1953, but the number series 15001-16000 does not exist in 1950
 
     > These cars were the source of the 26000 series, IIRC, Tim.
     > Tony Thompson

Ok Tony thanks!

1950    WP 26000-26125  150 cars ( 35 w/ roof hatches )
1955    WP 26000-26125    48 cars (  8 w/ roof hatches )
1959    WP 26000-26125    23 cars (  3 w/ roof hatches )

Cars with roof hatches had either 2 or 4 hatches -- individual car numbers are listed in each ORER.

Tim O'Connor



Re: Dahlman truck applications

Tim O'Connor
 

Missing from the PDF file for the Tahoe Dalmans -- AT&SF, C&NW, D&H, L&N,
NYC, RI, SAL, SP. I suspect there are others as well. And that doesn't include
owners of Dalman-Andrews style trucks but unfortunately there's no model made
of that style. I think they were all (or mostly) produced before 1930 but
some roads would re-use old trucks on new cars -- like Illinois Terminal.
I know Wabash did the same thing, even equipping some new steel box cars with
40 ton trucks.

Tim O'Connor

--------------------------------------

I would like to upgrade the accuracy of some trucks in my freight car fleet.
> For instance, what common freight car models and road names would be appropriate
> for a Dahlman truck (model truck by Tahoe)?


ERIE box cars, 68200-68274

Schuyler Larrabee
 

In the 1952 ERIE Freight Equipment Diagram Book reproduced by the ELHS, Diagram 8-6 covers a series of 50’ double-door box cars, numbers 68200-68274.  They were built by Magor Car Corporation, Passaic NJ, Aug-Sept 1934.  The doors were widened at some point so they appear to be 2½ door cars, with a half-door at the left of the original double doors.

 

The diagram carries a reference to “General drawing of car – No. 139-11-215 and 135-11-240.”

 

Does anyone know where those drawings might be found?  Are they Magor drawing numbers?  Are the Magor records, especially drawings, preserved somewhere, and where might that be?

 

I have a ¾ view of No. 68240, which is near-broadside, sourced from Bob’s Photo.  Does anyone know of other photos of these cars?  End views would be particularly helpful.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Dahlman truck applications

Eric Hansmann
 

 

Make sure you scroll through to the second page on each of the Dalman truck links. There is kit detail to reflect the appropriate prototypes. 

I just noticed this now.....

Eric 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Jim,

User lists are noted with the individual Tahoe HO scale truck links here. 

The detail includes railroads only, not individual car classes or designs. At least it's a start.

Eric 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:38 PM, jmischke@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I would like to upgrade the accuracy of some trucks in my freight car fleet.    


For instance, what common freight car models and road names would be appropriate for a Dahlman truck (model truck by Tahoe)?







Re: Dahlman truck applications

Eric Hansmann
 

Jim,

User lists are noted with the individual Tahoe HO scale truck links here. 

The detail includes railroads only, not individual car classes or designs. At least it's a start.

Eric 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:38 PM, jmischke@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I would like to upgrade the accuracy of some trucks in my freight car fleet.    


For instance, what common freight car models and road names would be appropriate for a Dahlman truck (model truck by Tahoe)?







Dahlman truck applications

Jim Mischke
 


I would like to upgrade the accuracy of some trucks in my freight car fleet.    


For instance, what common freight car models and road names would be appropriate for a Dahlman truck (model truck by Tahoe)?







Request for Assistance - Historical Rail Ops in the Jersey City Area

palmettoltd82
 

STMFC Members:


Apologies to the list and head jailer for the intrusion.  I have a work project located near the Jersey City waterfront (what is now the Liberty State Park area). Historical aerials and maps show several rail yards bordering my site - hoppers are prevalent in the earlier photos (mandatory freight car content).  I am hoping there is someone on the list that is familiar with past rail operations and facilities in this area and who would be willing to answer a few basic questions. If so please contact me off list.  Thanks! 


Buddy Hill

Ravenel, SC


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

The best summary for the conversion history is here: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1947/BC8051-8055.html . Essentially, 100 entered plaster service as 26001-26100 in 1937, with another 25 added in 1942. Other groups: 8051-8055, the last of the class in general service; stock cars 75801-76232, cabooses 605 all the way to 703 (the last ten are shown in the 1958 diagrams). In addition, see caboose/combine 403 at http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/passenger/1947/caboosebaggage.html . It is a little harder to spot the MW cars, but most of those represented by plan views of the interiors were converted from these boxcars: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/mow/1947/index.html .

Adding up all the known conversions doesn't come anywhere near 1,000 cars: I get 812 (including 87 cabooses). Maybe more than 168 were converted to MW, but I'm thinking a lot were probably just scrapped after WWII.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 6/2/15 6:28 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
 


     >> Were these cars renumbered at some point? Someone said there were many still
     >> on the roster in 1953, but the number series 15001-16000 does not exist in 1950
 
     > These cars were the source of the 26000 series, IIRC, Tim.
     > Tony Thompson

Ok Tony thanks!

1950    WP 26000-26125  150 cars ( 35 w/ roof hatches )
1955    WP 26000-26125    48 cars (  8 w/ roof hatches )
1959    WP 26000-26125    23 cars (  3 w/ roof hatches )

Cars with roof hatches had either 2 or 4 hatches -- individual car numbers are listed in each ORER.

Tim O'Connor



Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Tim O'Connor
 


     >> Were these cars renumbered at some point? Someone said there were many still
     >> on the roster in 1953, but the number series 15001-16000 does not exist in 1950
 
     > These cars were the source of the 26000 series, IIRC, Tim.
     > Tony Thompson

Ok Tony thanks!

1950    WP 26000-26125  150 cars ( 35 w/ roof hatches )
1955    WP 26000-26125    48 cars (  8 w/ roof hatches )
1959    WP 26000-26125    23 cars (  3 w/ roof hatches )

Cars with roof hatches had either 2 or 4 hatches -- individual car numbers are listed in each ORER.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Bill Welch
 

They were and as such they were dedicated to gypsum service. There 103 in 1953 and 42 in 1955.

Bill Welch


Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

Were these cars renumbered at some point? Someone said there were many still
on the roster in 1953, but the number series 15001-16000 does not exist in 1950
and there are only 47 listed in 1940.
There are bunches of wood sheathed box cars with 2742 cuft capacity but I'm
guessing those are not the same cars as 15001-16000 (shown with 2754 cuft).


      These cars were the source of the 26000 series, IIRC, Tim.

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Re: Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Tim O'Connor
 

Were these cars renumbered at some point? Someone said there were many still
on the roster in 1953, but the number series 15001-16000 does not exist in 1950
and there are only 47 listed in 1940.

There are bunches of wood sheathed box cars with 2742 cuft capacity but I'm
guessing those are not the same cars as 15001-16000 (shown with 2754 cuft).

Tim O'Connor

Received the exciting news from Westerfield today that their intention is to start on WP's first boxcar (15001-16000) as soon as time permits.
Maybe the development of the HO scale resin box car kit will also lead to a kit of the stockcars (75801-76000 and 76001-76233) derived from them...? I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Fred Jansz

PS: if you have ANY info on these cars other than already in the well known books & websites, please let Westerfield know.


Western Pacific first boxcar series 15001-16000 in model

Fred Jansz
 

Received the exciting news from Westerfield today that their intention is to start on WP's first boxcar (15001-16000) as soon as time permits.
Maybe the development of the HO scale resin box car kit will also lead to a kit of the stockcars (75801-76000 and 76001-76233) derived from them...? I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Fred Jansz

PS: if you have ANY info on these cars other than already in the well known books & websites, please let Westerfield know.


Re: Collinsville CT RPM

Tim O'Connor
 

I think even though Brian Banna models post-STMFC diesels, most STMFC modelers
have diesel models and his modeling techniques (and especially paint & weathering)
apply to all eras. His models are museum-quality replicas.

Brian mentioned using "hair spray" as part of his weathering but I don't think he
meant the sticky type ... he did mention it was sold in a pump bottle. Does anyone
know what brand he was talking about?

There was a structure maker I'd never heard of before -- Bergen National Laser.
He had some amazing brick structures that featured variable colors in the bricks --
by making very slight differences in laser depth, the brick colors change. The
overall affect is stunning. My train club bought a customized station model that
will look fantastic when it's installed.

I really enjoyed the clinic on DL&W and Erie piggyback service. The presenter had
some incredible photos! I was surprised to see how much DL&W had run through TOFC
with Wabash (via Buffalo).

Observation: Sergent couplers and P:87 seems to be gaining traction among RPM'ers,
especially the younger ones. :-)

Tim O'Connor

I made the great schlep up from North Carolina...great meet. Great turn out of models, excellent clinics, good selection of dealers.

Meet pix from a couple of attendees:

http://milepost15.com/2015/05/30/new-englandnortheast-rpm-meet-2015/
http://www.pbase.com/jtunnel/2015_nene_rpm&;page=all

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Collinsville CT RPM

O Fenton Wells
 

Good stuff thanks for sharing.  Looks like you have been busy
Fenton

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Craig Zeni clzeni@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:51 PM, STMFC@... wrote:

> 5a. Collinsville CT RPM
> Posted by: fgexbill@... lnbill
> Date: Mon Jun 1, 2015 7:00 am ((PDT))
>
> So I guess no one on this list went to the Collinsville, CT RPM this past week or we would have heard a report.

I made the great schlep up from North Carolina...great meet. Great turn out of models, excellent clinics, good selection of dealers.

Meet pix from a couple of attendees:

<http://milepost15.com/2015/05/30/new-englandnortheast-rpm-meet-2015/>
<http://www.pbase.com/jtunnel/2015_nene_rpm&page=all>

Craig Zeni
Cary NC




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Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

rob.mclear3@...
 

Tony the are cool, and if anyone would have known that rivets counted it would have been Richard, should have got you to add one to the car shipment.  :-) 

Rob McLear.


Re: Collinsville CT RPM

Craig Zeni
 

On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:51 PM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

5a. Collinsville CT RPM
Posted by: fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com lnbill
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2015 7:00 am ((PDT))

So I guess no one on this list went to the Collinsville, CT RPM this past week or we would have heard a report.
I made the great schlep up from North Carolina...great meet. Great turn out of models, excellent clinics, good selection of dealers.

Meet pix from a couple of attendees:

<http://milepost15.com/2015/05/30/new-englandnortheast-rpm-meet-2015/>;
<http://www.pbase.com/jtunnel/2015_nene_rpm&;page=all>


Craig Zeni
Cary NC

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