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More C&O MW Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

I have attached another clutch of C&O maintenance-of-way cars to share, along with what I think is their original class information from Carl Shaver's FREIGHT CAR EQUIPMENT OF THE CHESAPEAKE & OHIO RAILWAY, AUGUST 1, 1937. All these cars were photographed by myself around 1985-86.

910102 appears to be another of the Hocking Valley 82000-83999 series. These were built by Illinois Car and Manufacturing Co. or Pullman in 1924-25, and came to the C&O by merger in 1930. Some 608 cars from Illinois Car , and 136 from Pullman were rebuilt with steel sides and single 6' doors in 1941, becoming 12392-12999 and 13000-13135 respectively. This one was found in Charlottesville.

X-1299 is also from Hocking Valley 82000-83999. In 1941 169 Illinois cars received steel sides and 10' double steel doors to became 12000-12168. Another 271 Pullman cars received the same upgrades in 1942, becoming 13558-13828. Note that both series retained the rather odd small door on the right as seen on the original wood-sided cars. I think this car was 13728 before conversion to MW service. It was photographed at Gordonsville while awaiting scrapping.

X-1218 came from series 9500-9999, built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1930. They had only an 8' 7 1/2" IH. They builder's photo in Shaver's book showed they were not lettered as automobile cars, though end doors clearly mark them as intended for that service. They were quickly made obsolete by larger autos and Evans racks. Shaver notes many were converted to MW service, where their end doors were greatly appreciated for handling service equipment. The attached photo was also from Gordonsville. A few months back I posted a photo of one of these in revenue service in a Nelson & Albemarle train behind their new 44-ton diesel in 1951.

910217 was from series 84230-84729, or 84730-86499, from which the first group were renumbered when they received 6' steel doors in 1935. The bulk of the second group also received steel doors by 1937, though their openings were only 5' 6" and they kept their previous numbers. This is the only 37' C&O MW car I ever found. It was photographed by itself on a stub spur at Stapleton, Virginia (not far from Gladstone) in 1986. At least I think this was Stapleton. The Stapleton depot was across the road, though not on its original foundations and perched on a small hill. This depot was later moved to Lynchburg's Old City Cemetery, where it is lovingly preserved as a museum. Perhaps this car is also hiding somewhere awaiting preservation. I sure hope so. As a final note, all the cars in both classes were retired by 1952, or downgraded to MW service, probably because they still had K-brakes.

I should have more interesting C&O MW cars for you next week, including former troop sleepers.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Hunter, what a great and imaginative idea and I really appreciate this being set up.
Fenton

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:01 AM Hunter Hughson via groups.io <hhughson=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi guys. We're thrilled and surprised that there has been so much interest in this even that we sold out in 8 hours. We're going to look into creating more capacity so that we can have more people attend the event. We'll be back in touch with news about that soon. 

Please recognize that these are extraordinary times. It's with an abundance of respect for the members of this group and for the clinicians that I'm going to offer some perspective. Most of us have purchased return airfare and hotel accommodations, paid the registration at an RPM, and taken time off work to see these guys present. In this instance, these same clinicians are streaming their presentation onto the computer in your home for free. Each clinician will have their own position on whether or not they want to give you a copy of their clinic after the event, but I don't have it in me to go back to them and ask for more than they've already agreed to share.

I hope that sounds reasonable.   

Hunter Hughson
www.theniagarabranch.wordpress.com
www.ontarioinhoscale.wordpress.com 

 



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Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification

Hunter Hughson
 

Hi guys. We're thrilled and surprised that there has been so much interest in this even that we sold out in 8 hours. We're going to look into creating more capacity so that we can have more people attend the event. We'll be back in touch with news about that soon. 

Please recognize that these are extraordinary times. It's with an abundance of respect for the members of this group and for the clinicians that I'm going to offer some perspective. Most of us have purchased return airfare and hotel accommodations, paid the registration at an RPM, and taken time off work to see these guys present. In this instance, these same clinicians are streaming their presentation onto the computer in your home for free. Each clinician will have their own position on whether or not they want to give you a copy of their clinic after the event, but I don't have it in me to go back to them and ask for more than they've already agreed to share.

I hope that sounds reasonable.   

Hunter Hughson
www.theniagarabranch.wordpress.com
www.ontarioinhoscale.wordpress.com 

 


Re: Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner

Eric Hansmann
 

The car seems to wear a 1928 weigh date. Note the digits between the center and right men.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:59 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner

 

Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner

A circa 1930s photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/165252

A load of wax paper.

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

Eric Hansmann
 

The X25 boxcar in this image seems to bear a 1915 weigh date. I’ve noticed the new paint on these cars did not wear well.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

A circa 1925 photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/161518

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification

Brian Carlson
 

It sold out already.  Organizers are looking to see if more spots can be added. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 26, 2020, at 10:04 AM, StephenK <thekays100@...> wrote:

Ted --

this is exciting, but I'll be dipped if I can figure out how to sign up.   I'm on the page, but where to I click?

StephenK


Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification

StephenK
 

Ted --

this is exciting, but I'll be dipped if I can figure out how to sign up.   I'm on the page, but where to I click?

StephenK


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob, Bill, and Group;

 

That indeed is a clone or “captured” PRR GS gondola.  Note the shaped of the 10 side ribs, end and end sill details, and grab arrangement, including the tilted end grabs.

 

I have never seen anything on this gon, its origins, history, nor end.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

Blockedhttps://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

James Brewer
 

Bob,

A great looking model and weathering!

Jim Brewer


Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification

 

Appears that perhaps it's sold out? Showing as "out of stock" for me. Would also be interested in a recording if possible. 
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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD
Modeling the Georgetown Branch of the B&O 
http://sluggyjunx.com/rr/gb/


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - more info

Mont Switzer
 

Todd,

Yes, the MWR cars were known for bringing inbound raw materials for glass making.  There was a rumor floating around that some cars were equipped with roof hatches for sand loading, but lets not go there.  There is no documentation of such.

From the late 1800's through the 20th Century central Indiana was full of glass manufacturing companies.  They gathered here because of cheap and plentiful natural gas used in the glass molding process.  When the gas ran out in the early 1900's the plants tended to stay.  Ball was the largest and intimately took over many smaller competitors.

The 5.6 miles long Muncie & Western RR (MWR) was owned and operated by the Ball Glass Manufacturing Corporation, later known simply as Ball Corp.  This small railroad allowed Ball to connect with all railroads serving Muncie, IN:  NKP, NYC, C&O, PRR, and the Central Indiana (CI).

The Ball family had profound influence on Muncie and the surrounding communities.  There was Ball State Teacher's college later to become Ball Sate University.  And there is Ball Memorial Hospital started at the behest of the Ball family.  In the 1930's George Ball even gained controlling interest in the NKP after the Van Sweringan's (spelling) ran into financial problems, or both passed away, I'm don't recall which.  

I'll quit right there.  I'm getting in over my heard.  Just be assured the Ball family had a significant influence on my home area.  Then there is collecting glass canning jars, a whole different hobby.

Mont Switzer     


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io [sullivant41@...]
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 4:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - more info

And, according to Tony Koester, the cars were often used for back-hauls of sand for the factory. 

I spent a few weeks in Marion, IN in the early 2000s rehab'ing a house for Habitat for Missionaries, and found a closed Ball glass plant there.  I think it had been served by the NKP.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Kits for sale

bnpmodeler
 

 

OK all;

 

With the moderator’s indulgence I will report one last time – this posting generated a HUGE response, FAR more than the last time I did this. I believe it topped out over 80 requests for my list (the last time when I had more than twice the stock to sell I got I think 12 replies). At any rate, the list was picked clean very fast and pretty much anything worth looking at is gone. That said, I believe I did reply to ALL at last, with a revised list of the last few items. So please – my apologies for taking so long to reply (my email account blew up last night and I couldn’t get it resolved until this afternoon), thank you for your enthusiasm, and accept my regrets that I couldn’t make everyone happy. The only items left are some random Kaslo Shops S scale items, and some old Cannonball Car Shops styrene troop sleeper kits.

 

Thanks again for the response;

 

Jim Harr

High Bridge, NJ


StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

Bob Chapman
 

Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype. 

If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.

This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.  

Bob Chapman
   


Slightly OT - Track Cleaning

Richard Ramik
 

Hey Gang:

I was looking for information on the Atlas/Dapol track cleaning car which I did find.  However, I also came across the Turbosauger. 
 
From what I could figure out it is Swiss made and from the videos, it appears to be one heck of a vacuum.

Does anyone know anything about it: availability from where; cost?

Thanks,
Rich Ramik



ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car" Sunshine Kit #35.2

gary laakso
 

I found the kit next to the NRC/MDT 4 reefers that should follow after the gondolas roll out of the shop. The Resin Car Works connection to the master Sunshine list did not work for me just now.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: "Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Bill Welch
 

Testors liquid sparingly with a 10/0 brush. After application I blow on the joint. After curing overnight, I come back with dull knife blade and test the joints.

Bill Welch


Re: Boxcars Labeled "Vehicle" Or "Carriage"

Brian Termunde
 

Howard;
Sorry, I did realize what you meant . . . I have to be VERY careful typing things, especially on this dang flat keyboards!

Again, sorry, I was just trying to be cute, didn't mean offense . . .

Regards,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: Boxcars Labeled "Vehicle" Or "Carriage"
From: earlyrail
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 15:53:59 PDT
OK  37' 6"  Thirty Seven feet Six inches interior
Fid not proof read correctly.

Howard


IM / RC stock number 38703 MoPac 40' box

mopacfirst
 

Has anyone ever seen or have one of the Intermountain / former Red Caboose 40' boxcar with 8' door, stock number 38703?  The paint scheme is MoPac Route of the Eagles.  Judging by the current IM website which lists stock numbers 7 through 12 as a future release, this model has evidently been released once before.

I'm not trying to acquire one, I'd just like to find out what the lettering looks like on that first release.  The website art, which has since been changed, had some serious anomalies.

Ron Merrick


Re: Virtual RPM

Bill Welch
 

Uh oh, somebody needs to get busy. . .

Model on Ya'll
Bill Welch


Re: "Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Kemal Mumcu
 

Bill, what adhesive do you use for this job?

Colin Meikle