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Re: Rock Island flats

mel perry
 

hi:
if you are one of the keepers of the
flame, would you have a copy of both
the data and instruction sheet for kit
#17.6, 17.7 or 17.8
thanks
mel perry


On Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:39 PM Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:
Tagging on to Brian's email.
If anyone has the PDS and/or instructions for the Sunshine #49 flatcars, would you share with me? There's a hole in my collection there.

Thanks,
    JimH


Re: IM Kits, Was New IM cars arrive

mel perry
 

the sad truth is, is the hobby is a
business  and that IM can make more
money selling RTR, if you want kits and
parts, support the manufacturers who
manufacture these items
mel perry


Re: IM Kits, Was New IM cars arrive

Fred Swanson
 

What about this page?  Does anyone know a shop that orders kits?
Fred Swanson


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Cable Load

Photo from the Los Angeles Public Library website and in the collection of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power:

https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/dwp/ws/1005232.jpg

Description: "First shipment of hollow copper conductor from new plant built in Los Angeles by General Cable Corp. was made May 1934. The ten reels shown loaded on flat car comprise a load of 50 tons. Each reel is wond with a mile of cable, 1620 miles being required for the completed transmission line."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Rock Island flats

Jim Hayes
 

Tagging on to Brian's email.
If anyone has the PDS and/or instructions for the Sunshine #49 flatcars, would you share with me? There's a hole in my collection there.

Thanks,
    JimH


Re: Rock Island flats

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Ross Dando just released an O Scale resin kit of this car as well. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 29, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:




Sunshine kit #45.9 is probably what your looking for.
Here's a Sunshine flyer for it.

     JimH

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 6:16 PM cmrp48 via groups.io <rhleners=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looking for photos of  the Rock Island 90800 series flats.  Cars had single-spliced side sills, unsure if the center sills were spliced.  Cars were built as War Emergency cars in 42-43.  Have a partial shot of the end sill but a full shot would be better.  Thanks in advance for any help you guys might be able to provide.
Robert Leners

<sun45b.pdf>


Re: Rock Island flats

Jim Hayes
 



Sunshine kit #45.9 is probably what your looking for.
Here's a Sunshine flyer for it.

     JimH

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 6:16 PM cmrp48 via groups.io <rhleners=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looking for photos of  the Rock Island 90800 series flats.  Cars had single-spliced side sills, unsure if the center sills were spliced.  Cars were built as War Emergency cars in 42-43.  Have a partial shot of the end sill but a full shot would be better.  Thanks in advance for any help you guys might be able to provide.
Robert Leners


IM Kits, Was New IM cars arrive

Andy Carlson
 

About a year ago I requested 700+ kits of former RC/IMWX '37 AAR box cars. I was waiting for awhile and the promised response never came. I gather that they are making enough money that kits and parts are not a worthy venture of their time. Funny, I miss Frank.......
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, May 29, 2020, 6:09:06 PM PDT, Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:


Hi Ken,

This is a question for IM.

Idealy one person would gather the kit orders and deal with IM. The order needs to be significant, probably a minimum of 50 of one product number, and has to be organized and commited to, at the time of product announcement. Then you might get IM's attention.

And no, I am not volunteering.

Ted Schnepf


 


Alas RTR. Will IM ever get around to the kits again?
--
Ken Adams


Rock Island flats

cmrp48
 

Looking for photos of  the Rock Island 90800 series flats.  Cars had single-spliced side sills, unsure if the center sills were spliced.  Cars were built as War Emergency cars in 42-43.  Have a partial shot of the end sill but a full shot would be better.  Thanks in advance for any help you guys might be able to provide.
Robert Leners


Re: New IM cars arrive

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Ken,

This is a question for IM.

Idealy one person would gather the kit orders and deal with IM. The order needs to be significant, probably a minimum of 50 of one product number, and has to be organized and commited to, at the time of product announcement. Then you might get IM's attention.

And no, I am not volunteering.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Friday, May 29, 2020, 06:55:45 PM CDT, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


Alas RTR. Will IM ever get around to the kits again?
--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: New IM cars arrive

Ken Adams
 

Alas RTR. Will IM ever get around to the kits again?
--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Steve,

The Wathers car was actually a copy of John Allen's design from the early 1960s. IIRC, he had two built to fit an Athearn 40' boxcar shell, and could change the body to keep his operators on their toes. If the ball rolled into a spring metal tongue at either end of the car, a light would flash. If the impact was extreme, the ball dropped into a catch point at the end of the track and the light stayed on. 

Another funzie that was commercially available in the 1970s was an underframe with a flywheel connected to one of the truck axles by a rubber band. This also was meant to fit under an Athearn or Roundhouse boxcar body. Supposedly you could kick the car loose and it would coast into a siding. I had two and they not only didn't live up to their hype, but also the truck with the rubber band had a restricted radius, making the car was prone to derailments. 

Let it be known that I got rid of these turkeys many, many years ago.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 6:10 PM Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:

Bob,

 

This looks to me to be an impact demonstration car.  L&N’s South Louisville Shop built one out of an old single-sheathed 40 ft boxcar in late 1955.  This car toured the L&N system to promote loss and damage prevention through safe coupling speeds.  On one side of the car, a large speedometer with a plexiglass dial and indicator registered coupling speeds up to 15 mph.  (The speedometer has its metal covering on in the attached photo, which is dated September 1960).  On the same side at floor level, a scale, marked in feet and inches, extended the length of the car, and served to show much of the “load” had shifted.  The “load” consisted of an old lathe and air pump, weighing 9,600 lbs, mounted on wooden skids.  The car also featured electric lights and was equipped with a gasoline-powered motor/generator.  This was quite an attractive car, painted in L&N’s passenger car blue, silver and yellow/gold lettering and striping, and the “steam era” L&N herald.

 

Many may remember the old Walther’s “Tongue-In-Cheek” HO model of an impact demo car.  As I recall, it had a steel ball bearing riding on a piece of N-scale (?) track inside the car, with a warning light that was activated by rough coupling.

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

 

Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

A 1953 photo from the Temple University Libraries:

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/20067/rec/494

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

I know other railroads had similar cars. Does anyone know more about the history of this car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 01:23 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
But I do plan to have catenary and of course that requires maintenance, and in progress on my bench right now is a wire train, wire reel car, which will need wire reels with wire.
Copperweld is definitely the product to use. Copper coated seven and nine strand steel cable, it was the material of choice for all parts of overhead except the contact wire. Back in the seventies I worked for a couple weeks cutting down the Chicago trolleybus overhead system after abandonment, and everything was Copperweld except the contact wire, which was solid phosphor bronze, IIRC.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

Steven D Johnson
 

Bob,

 

This looks to me to be an impact demonstration car.  L&N’s South Louisville Shop built one out of an old single-sheathed 40 ft boxcar in late 1955.  This car toured the L&N system to promote loss and damage prevention through safe coupling speeds.  On one side of the car, a large speedometer with a plexiglass dial and indicator registered coupling speeds up to 15 mph.  (The speedometer has its metal covering on in the attached photo, which is dated September 1960).  On the same side at floor level, a scale, marked in feet and inches, extended the length of the car, and served to show much of the “load” had shifted.  The “load” consisted of an old lathe and air pump, weighing 9,600 lbs, mounted on wooden skids.  The car also featured electric lights and was equipped with a gasoline-powered motor/generator.  This was quite an attractive car, painted in L&N’s passenger car blue, silver and yellow/gold lettering and striping, and the “steam era” L&N herald.

 

Many may remember the old Walther’s “Tongue-In-Cheek” HO model of an impact demo car.  As I recall, it had a steel ball bearing riding on a piece of N-scale (?) track inside the car, with a warning light that was activated by rough coupling.

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 11:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

 

Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

A 1953 photo from the Temple University Libraries:

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/20067/rec/494

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

I know other railroads had similar cars. Does anyone know more about the history of this car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Mont Switzer
 

Bruce,

There is your answer.  Note the wood used inside the reel to protect what was.probably electrical cable.   Wire rope needed no such mlm protection. 

Mont Switzer 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


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New IM cars arrive

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

A big box of new Intermountain HO boxcars has jsut arrived. There are some very interesting road names for sale.

The newest batch of cars is 10' 6" modified 1937 AAR boxcars in the following roads:
Rock Island
New York Central
Fort Worth and Denver
Missouri Pacfic
MP-Missouri-Illinois
Erie
Erie Lack.
Southern- billboard
Union Pacific
Chicago North Western
Gulf Mobile and Ohio
Toledo, Peoria and Westerm, drak green and yellow
Duluth South Shore and Atlantic
Soo Line (early herald)
Canadian Pacific

They come in 6 road number each, RTR and discounted pricing.

These cars join the other recent shipments of PFE wood reefers in three clases amd 7 paint variations with Dick Harley helping IM get the lettering and painting correct. And prior to that, the 10' 1937 boxcars with Deco ends C&O and B&O, and CN, C&EI, AEC. Copper Range, DLW,and Ontario Northland.

Contact me off list if interested.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120

847=697-5353


Re: Evangeline Railway

Paul Doggett
 

Garth 

Thank I will sent it to my friend in Louisiana.

Regards Paul Doggett 


On 29 May 2020, at 20:43, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Paul,

I haven't turned up anything else on the Evangeline Railway, but I did find these four photos of the Evangeline Gravel Co., which may or may not have been served by said line: https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/search/mods_subject_topic_ms%3A%22Evangeline%5C%20Gravel%5C%20Company%22 . Just to keep the sheriff at bay, one of the photos shows a FREIGHT CAR.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 8:52 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Jim

Thank you I will pass this onto my friend.

Paul Doggett.
> On 29 May 2020, at 13:44, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:
>
> I think Gifford Hill operated a gravel pit in Evangeline parish (that’s a county elsewhere) and this is fairly close to where a north-south Rock Island joined the East-west Gulf Coast Lines (Frisco in B.F. Yoakum days but later Mopac and UP). This has a lot of modeling possibilities.
>
> This gravel operation would make a great connection for a model railroad circa 1950 with a healthy appetite for the F&C T&NO gons, along with MoPac/TP or Rock Island.  I think the F&C MoPac panel side gons now have an interior.  Sunshine Models did the TP 40’ gons but today the best bet is to modify Accurail’s kit.
>
> Jim Ogden
> (Who escaped Louisiana)
>
>
>




Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Unless you're building a model for a builder's photo any combination and variation on a similar of close color ought to be good for our models. Paint, especially back then, had wider color range than what we have today. 

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, May 29, 2020, 02:38:29 PM CDT, Doug Pillow <jssp46@...> wrote:


 I  know its not perfect but for me post '45 I mixed half Scalecoat II  Boxcar red and Tuscan red Doug Pillow


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

PERFECT!  Thank you!  Cable reels, made of steel, were clearly in use as of June 1, 1944 (the date of the newspaper story!)

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Re: Cable Reel Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

The decals are freaking awesome!  (One reason to look for more) Most of them are in a semi-circular arc. They are black, with some duplicates in white. Symbols are also included for some. 

General Cable (white as well) + symbol
Okonite Passaic N.J.+ symbol
Kaiser Wire K/W + symbol
Simplex Wire & Cable Co.  Cambridge Mass (white as well)
Crescent Trenton, NJ
Anaconda Wire + symbol
Bronco
Kerite (white as well)
Roebling
Copperweld
Diamond Wire and Cable Co. Sycamore, ILL
Rome Cable Rome G.A. (white as well)
General Electric + symbol
Crapo
Indiana Steel and Wire Co.

Now, the reels made of steel would just be loads going somewhere so they can have cable, wire, whatever.... But I do plan to have catenary and of course that requires maintenance, and in progress on my bench right now is a wire train, wire reel car, which will need wire reels with wire. These though were wooden, and I have several already at hand, and more on the way from Israel. Representing the wire is challenging, but will happen with thin copper (likely 0.005") wrapped over a filler. Unused reels were often wrapped in heavy tan paper so I plan to use newsprint to replicate that. Plus, of course, shredding some and leaving it in the wire reel car.

Regards,
Bruce



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads
 

Well, the point of my inquiry was about the markings (decals) that Bruce has.  Do they cover both steel cable (or as Bruce pointed out, wire rope) AND electrical cables?  IOW, what would he be winding on the reels?