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Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question

Bill Welch
 

I have pretty much completed building a model of one of the SP's G50-15 GS gons using the Detail Associates kit. The G50-15 was the initial group built with the flat plate ends with two rib stiffeners. The quality of styrene used for these kits seems to vary and mine has developed cracks on both sides. I am thinking of making "patch panels" with 0.005 sheet styrene as if the broken panels have been damaged in some fashion and thus repaired. A panel like this would strengthen the side and mask the break.

I am curious if anyone has photos of any SP G series steel sided gons with repaired panels. I am trying to understand if the Southern Pacific repaired panels rather than replacing them and if they did, were the patches welded  or riveted?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Pulpwood cars

Allen Cain
 

Eric,

Was this a teaser for a future offering of the Southern Pulpwood cars?  Sure hope so.

Nice article.

Allen Cain


Re: SHPX ORER help needed

Dave Parker
 

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 09:35 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
just a quick reminder that tank cars did not need to be reweighed on a regular schedule, unlike house cars
Absolutely true.  But tank cars had to have brake service and journals repacked on a regular schedule -- annually during my 1934 period, but I think a bit less frequently in "the future".  The 1" stencils are are often difficult to read but, when I can, they seem to vary quite a bit.  My sense is that privately owned cars (Shell, Sinclair, Gulf, etc.) were often serviced by railroads at convention locations.  It's possible the big leasing fleets (UTLX, GATX) were more inclined to perform such service at their home facilities.  In both cases, the sample size of legible stencils is rather small for pre-WWII.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Photo: Wings Being Loaded Into GTW Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wings Being Loaded Into GTW Boxcar

A photo from the New York Heritage Digital Collections:

https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16694coll109/id/18222/rec/24

A circa 1943-1944 photo.

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Sorry, only a partial view of the car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help

Chuck Cover
 

Hi John,

 

As I remember, I do not think that the P-2000 Mather boxcars have the Z diagonal bracing, just angles.  Also, I am not sure that they match the correct height for all the roads that they model.  Different roads had different height cars.  Pictured are two Sunshine Mather boxcars that I built some years ago.  I did not find them any more difficult than building other Sunshine boxcar kits.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Photo: Northern Ohio Traction & Light Co. Refrigerator Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Northern Ohio Traction & Light Co. Refrigerator Car

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/transport/id/8112/rec/2288

This photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

The advertisement on the car side reads: Wiltshire hams, bacon, lard. The Cleveland Provision Company.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator


Re: SHPX ORER help needed

Bruce Smith
 

Eric, just a quick reminder that tank cars did not need to be reweighed on a regular schedule, unlike house cars. Thus, it is unlikely that a tank car would be reweighed anywhere except at its home shops. That would be because the home shop would be where any major work would be done.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Alabama


Re: SHPX ORER help needed

Eric Mumper
 

Jeff,

When you look at pictures of these cars, can you tell where they were reweighed?  I am curious if SHPX did the reweigh at their locations or if they were done by the railroads as needed when needed.  Thanks.

Eric Mumper


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help

Mont Switzer
 

John,

The Muncie & Western (MWR) is a railroad of local interest to those of use in central Indiana.  Because the cars were painted bright yellow and had the Ball canning jar painted on each door so they were well photographed.  I suggest you contact Bob's photo for photos.

I've modeled every sort of MWR boxcar that existed since WWII.  My most recent article on the subject appeared in RMC sometime in 2010.  I believe the article addresses how to build your model.  

Regarding what I believe is your older Sunshine resin kit, it can be a rascal to build due to the way Sunshine tells you to build up the side bracing.  I would therefore suggest the following which I believe is addressed in the 2010 article:

-build up the Sunshine car body sides and ends.
-buy a cheap LifeLike stock car kit
-use the LL roof on the Sunshine model
-cut the LL floor and under frame out and fit it on the Sunshine model
-assemble the brake rigging per the LL instructions.  it matches what I have seen for the Mather cars
-cut away and use the vertical and diagonal braces from the stock car sides on the Sunshine car body.  It may be simpler to copy cast the vertical and diagonal braces from the LL model to get what you need.  Neither process is simple
--the LL B end details are pretty good and simpler to install than the Sunshine resin parts.

These suggestions may not be up to your modeling standards or those on this list, but the process is worth your consideration.

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of John Stanford [dem_ex@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 5:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help

Hi - new list member here.  I'm returning to the hobby after a brief 30 year hiatus and have been frantically reading to try to catch up on everything that's changed in the interim.  Its great to see many familiar names active here of prior friends & acquantances, as well as those who's work I've followed and admired.  Hi Todd, Ben, Don and others!  

I've ordered several Yarmouth kits to get familiar with the current state of the art in resin kits and studying the writings of many on here to learn new techniques & materials.

While waiting for those I've dusted off an old Sunshine kit for a Muncie & Western Mather Boxcar to move to the workbench, but I'm hoping to find more prototype information as there's not much in the kit nor am I finding on-line. 

The MWR 1201-1275 series were 8'5" IH cars.  I've found photos of Mather cars from the 1101-1185 and 1276-1300 series but those were taller cars.  I'm also interested in underbody detail from any of the Mather cars as a guide.

My old NEB&W guide notes articles on Mather cars from 11/86 Mainline Modeler and a Martin Lofton article from 2/91 RMC.  I have the MM article but unfortunately the RMC's were long recycled.

Hi again and thanks for any guidance the group can share.

John Stanford


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi John,

As you may be aware, Life Like Proto 2000 did a short height Mather boxcar in plastic with separate grabs, etc. some years back.  The schemes included MWR, MRS, PHD, TC, IN, ACY and FDDMS.  They show up on eBay from time to time, and are much easier to build than the early Sunshine kit, in my experience.  I tried to build one of the early Sunshine kits.  The channels on the sides have to be built up using 1x3 strip styrene or similar.  Since the sides in my kit were warped vertically (centers bowed inward), I never could get the styrene strips to lay down in the grooves the they were supposed to, so I gave up and sold the kit.  I have several of the L-L P2K models, and I find them to be satisfactory.

Todd Sullivan


Re: What kind of truck is this?

Jack Burgess
 

They were manufactured by the Pressed Steel Car Company. They date from around 1900.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich Yoder
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What kind of truck is this?

 

Given the era and the style its pressed steel but I don’t know who built it.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Nelson
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 3:00 PM
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] What kind of truck is this?

 

Not a typical arch bar truck.

 

On a B&O N-8 hopper, photo from the Columbus OH. Library.

 

Dave Nelson


MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help

John Stanford
 

Hi - new list member here.  I'm returning to the hobby after a brief 30 year hiatus and have been frantically reading to try to catch up on everything that's changed in the interim.  Its great to see many familiar names active here of prior friends & acquantances, as well as those who's work I've followed and admired.  Hi Todd, Ben, Don and others!  

I've ordered several Yarmouth kits to get familiar with the current state of the art in resin kits and studying the writings of many on here to learn new techniques & materials.

While waiting for those I've dusted off an old Sunshine kit for a Muncie & Western Mather Boxcar to move to the workbench, but I'm hoping to find more prototype information as there's not much in the kit nor am I finding on-line. 

The MWR 1201-1275 series were 8'5" IH cars.  I've found photos of Mather cars from the 1101-1185 and 1276-1300 series but those were taller cars.  I'm also interested in underbody detail from any of the Mather cars as a guide.

My old NEB&W guide notes articles on Mather cars from 11/86 Mainline Modeler and a Martin Lofton article from 2/91 RMC.  I have the MM article but unfortunately the RMC's were long recycled.

Hi again and thanks for any guidance the group can share.

John Stanford


Re: What kind of truck is this?

Rich Yoder
 

Given the era and the style its pressed steel but I don’t know who built it.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Nelson
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 3:00 PM
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] What kind of truck is this?

 

Not a typical arch bar truck.

 

On a B&O N-8 hopper, photo from the Columbus OH. Library.

 

Dave Nelson


Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Bill,

I do .

Contact me off the list. richyoder@...

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of wrlyders via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:28 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

 

I am trying to scratch build the ACL Watermelon Car starting with an Ambroid Kit from the 50s [One of my Cars for my NMRA AP Cars certificate]. This kit has all the wood pieces but no car details like the brakes, wheels, etc., nor are they described in the brief kit instructions

 

From my research, I have some pictures and have an idea of which details I need. But I don’t have specific types or sizes of the following:

  • Side Grab irons: 18”, 21”, or 22” or another size
  • Door Grab Irons: size
  • Ladders on the end: 7 rungs, 8 rungs. I assume metal ladders, not wood
  • Brake System – Brake gear, Cylinder, reduction valve, etc.
  • Brake handle on end above the roof
  • Door handles, rollers, etc.
  • Connectors for brake lines underneath and up the size
  • Underbody parts layout and detail [the kit shows some but not all detail parts]

I need pictures or drawings or parts lists showing these items in order to scratchbuild or purchase these parts. I found the ACL/SAL Historical Society and the NC Transportation Museum web sites devoid of rolling stock details.

 

Does anybody have any links or information that I can use?

 

Thank you in advance,

 

Bill Lyders

 


Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

golden1014
 

This should help you, Bill.

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany


Pulpwood cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Need to move pulpwood? Fenton Wells shares Southern Railway prototype history and modeling techniques for a few car designs. It's the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Boxcars Labeled "Vehicle" Or "Carriage"

earlyrail
 

OK  37' 6"  Thirty Seven feet Six inches interior
Fid not proof read correctly.

Howard


Re: FS: WalthersProto National B-1 Rigid Trucks

Sam Reynolds
 

The National B-1 trucks have been sold pending payment. Thanks for looking!

Sam Reynolds


FS: WalthersProto National B-1 Rigid Trucks

Sam Reynolds
 

I have for sale 5 pair of WalthersProto National B-1 Rigid Trucks. The trucks come with 33” metal wheels and metal axles (Walthers #920-2001). All 5 pair of trucks are in their original, unopened packaging from Walthers. I’m asking $45 for the 5 pair of trucks plus shipping (USPS Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Box $8.30). Photos of the trucks can be provided upon request. I accept PayPal or USPS Money Orders for payment. If interested please contact me off list.

Sam Reynolds


Re: Photo: N&W Hopper 21967 Unloading Coal

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Interesting shot, and yes, my gosh, HUGE chunks of coal!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Hopper 21967 Unloading Coal

 

Photo: N&W Hopper 21967 Unloading Coal

A 1930 photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/172754

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Those are some big chunks of coal!

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA