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Re: Custom Decals

Tony Thompson
 

mel perry wrote:

actually the rights for champ's business is held by portland car & foundry in portland oregon


     Actually, their website ( http://www.greatdecals.com/PortlandCF.pdf ) says they "bought a small stock of Champ decals," which I take to mean some of the surviving stock. That is hardly the "rights." And I notice that quite a few of their sets are listed as "replacing Champion set" 999.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Those damn kits!

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Andre,


Contact me off list and I'll send a file done by Larry Ostresh and Eric Lombard that might prove interesting re your wood/steel question.


Blessings!


Allen Stanley

Railroad Data Exchange

Greer, SC


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ops-Ind] car placement - 1960 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

PRR also covered car movement and/or placement in the individual Employee Time Tables, since so many operations were unique. Example topics included: limitations to certain power classes, cars to be separated by spacers (MTYS) on certain tracks or bridges, movements accompanied by flagmen or lanterns, forbidden "open flames" with certain properties (directed at brakemen), trestle tonnage and car limitations, and the like.

Elden Gatwood

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PRR regulations for the transport Explosives and dangerous articles 1952


This is the oldest book of this type in my collection. I've seen older but were to expensive for my level of interest in the respective time periods.

Anyhow the link to the book directly is:
http://www.palfan.us/galleryphotos/temp%20pages/PRR%20%20transport%20Explosives%20and%20dangerous%20articles.pdf

It is on my server since people hate to use yahoo and I don't want to upload it to multiple groups. I'll leave it up for the rest of the month so if the server gets bogged down the next few days there is still time to look.


Mark Rickert


In a message dated 8/4/2014 5:11:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Ry-ops-industrialSIG@... writes:

Apparently, throughout the steam era the only car placement rules
were promulgated by the Bureau of Explosives, dating to 1907. In 1921
Congress gave the ICC the power to regulate the MARKING of hazardous
cars, but it is unclear if they also added any rules concerning
placement in the train, beyond the "not adjacent to locomotive,
caboose or occupied passenger cars" already enforced for cars
containing explosives. Tony Thompson has a nice summary of the
placard rules from a modeling perspective in his blog here:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/03/tank-car-placards-prototype.html

But doesn't go into the operations aspect.

Dennis Storzek



Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Custom Decals

Tony Thompson
 

Scott Haycock wrote:

 
But wouldn't it be a violation of copyright law for a decal maker to copy other's work with the intent of selling it?

    Yes.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Custom Decals

clipper841@att.net <clipper841@...>
 

actually the rights for champ's business is held
by portland car & foundry in portland oregon
mel perry

On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:34 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Not only that, but Camp is defunct as a business. No one picked up their
line, unlike, say, copying Herald King.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 at 2:24 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Custom Decals

Technically true, and equally true, I really don't care. If it's for
my use, and they don't make them anymore, let them try to make a case.
Similar arguments have been made against resin kit makers -- In case
you had not noticed, many resin kit masters include copied parts from
plastic kits. No lawsuits yet, to my knowledge.

Tim O'

>Technically, that would be a violation of the copyright of Champ, Walthers or
whomever created the decal being copied.
>
>If you can find out who owns the copyright, they might be willing to grant you
permission to make a reasonable number for personal use.
>
>Alex Schneider

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Re: Custom Decals

Scott H. Haycock
 

But wouldn't it be a violation of copyright law for a decal maker to copy other's work with the intent of selling it?

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 


Alex Schneider wrote:

 
Technically, that would be a violation of the copyright of Champ, Walthers or whomever created the decal being copied.
If you can find out who owns the copyright, they might be willing to grant you permission to make a reasonable number for personal use.

    Copyright law explicitly permits copies for personal use, as when you Xerox a magazine article or book page. It's called "fair use."

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: Custom Decals

Tony Thompson
 

BRIAN EHNI  wrote:

 
Not only that, but Camp is defunct as a business. No one picked up their line, unlike, say, copying Herald King.

     I assume you meant to write "Champ." A number of people inquired about buying the business, but the owner and her brother conceived of an enormous value to the business and would not discuss or negotiate that set price. It would be possible to conclude that they did not really want to sell. AFAIK, the entire stock and materials of the business, less the printing press which they did sell, remains in place. Aside from the press, they were not willing to entertain any offer for any other part of the business, such as artwork, or remaining stocks. Any buyer was required to take everything, including office furniture etc. So if "no one picked up" that business, it was not because no one was interested.
      By the way, a business being "defunct" does not mean that copyrights vanish. Those are among the property of the business, even if it is not being operated currently, and those copyrights would be part of the value if a buyer ever acquires the line.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Custom Decals

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Not only that, but Camp is defunct as a business. No one picked up their
line, unlike, say, copying Herald King.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 at 2:24 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Custom Decals








Technically true, and equally true, I really don't care. If it's for
my use, and they don't make them anymore, let them try to make a case.
Similar arguments have been made against resin kit makers -- In case
you had not noticed, many resin kit masters include copied parts from
plastic kits. No lawsuits yet, to my knowledge.

Tim O'

Technically, that would be a violation of the copyright of Champ, Walthers or
whomever created the decal being copied.

If you can find out who owns the copyright, they might be willing to grant you
permission to make a reasonable number for personal use.

Alex Schneider


Re: Custom Decals

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connorwrote:

 

Technically true, and equally true, I really don't care. If it's for my use, and they don't make them anymore, let them try to make a case.


      As I said, no one would or could make a case; personal use falls under the "fair use" part of the law.

Similar arguments have been made against resin kit makers -- In case you had not noticed, many resin kit masters include copied parts from plastic kits. No lawsuits yet, to my knowledge.

 
     Not analogous, since making kits for sale hardly falls under fair use. But as you say, the injury caused is likely too small to litigate, except for those who love to demonstrate their rights. Still, if I were to want to copy parts for kits, I would hesitate to assume no one in the hobby falls into that category.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: [Ops-Ind] car placement - 1960

caboose9792@...
 

PRR regulations for the transport Explosives and dangerous articles 1952
 
 
This is the oldest book of this type in my collection. I've seen older but were to expensive for my level of interest in the respective time periods.
 
Anyhow the link to the book directly is:
 
It is on my server since people hate to use yahoo and I don't want to upload it to multiple groups. I'll leave it up for the rest of the month so if the server gets bogged down the next few days there is still time to look.
 
 
Mark Rickert
 
 

In a message dated 8/4/2014 5:11:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Ry-ops-industrialSIG@... writes:
Apparently, throughout the steam era the only car placement rules
were promulgated by the Bureau of Explosives, dating to 1907. In 1921
Congress gave the ICC the power to regulate the MARKING of hazardous
cars, but it is unclear if they also added any rules concerning
placement in the train, beyond the "not adjacent to locomotive,
caboose or occupied passenger cars" already enforced for cars
containing explosives. Tony Thompson has a nice summary of the
placard rules from a modeling perspective in his blog here:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/03/tank-car-placards-prototype.html

But doesn't go into the operations aspect.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Custom Decals

Tony Thompson
 

Alex Schneider wrote:

 
Technically, that would be a violation of the copyright of Champ, Walthers or whomever created the decal being copied.
If you can find out who owns the copyright, they might be willing to grant you permission to make a reasonable number for personal use.

    Copyright law explicitly permits copies for personal use, as when you Xerox a magazine article or book page. It's called "fair use."

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Custom Decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Technically true, and equally true, I really don't care. If it's for
my use, and they don't make them anymore, let them try to make a case.
Similar arguments have been made against resin kit makers -- In case
you had not noticed, many resin kit masters include copied parts from
plastic kits. No lawsuits yet, to my knowledge.

Tim O'

Technically, that would be a violation of the copyright of Champ, Walthers or whomever created the decal being copied.

If you can find out who owns the copyright, they might be willing to grant you permission to make a reasonable number for personal use.

Alex Schneider


Re: Digest Number 8887

David Payne
 

 
 
In a message dated 8/5/2014 2:21:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
I must confess,I am a hoarder.The sad part is they are ALL built. I am still looking for kits to build.   :-) ,Armand Premo
 
 
Armand,
Perhaps it's "time" to begin your kit-building business.  ;-)
David Payne
Georgia
 


Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefers

webotkin
 

Hello,

 

I just finished building four Red Caboose 37’ Mather Meat Reefer kits (Armour, Rath, Swift and Hormmell).  From the instructions written by Richard Hendrickson, it mentions Rath, Hygrade, Hunter, Kohrs and Oscar Mayer, but not Armour, Swift or Hormmell as lessees. 

 

The kits were apparently designed “as built” based on converted Mather stock cars.  I model the early 1950s’, so I replaced the “K” brake system with “AB”, but I have a question about trucks.  The kits are supplied with Andrews trucks and I question whether this is correct and if so, did those trucks last until the 1950’s?

 

Thanks.

 

Bill Botkin

Centennial, CO

 


Re: Custom Decals

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Technically, that would be a violation of the copyright of Champ, Walthers or whomever created the decal being copied.

If you can find out who owns the copyright, they might be willing to grant you permission to make a reasonable number for personal use.

Alex Schneider

From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Custom Decals


Peter,

For example -- If I had a set of out-of-production decals and I wanted
to have an extra set or two, could this company produce copies of these
decals? That is something I'd be very interested in!

Tim O'




>Peter were the PFE stencil decals that you sent me an example of this
>process? If so then I can vouch for the excellent quality of the decals
>in both color and clarity. I'd also like to know what "suitable artwork"
>means. :-)
>
>Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
>I keep reading all these posts about the availability of decals and maybe I can help. I've been working for several years with a small company who is using a Roland Versacamm professional inkjet printer for printing custom decals.
>
>If you can provide suitable artwork, I can get you any decals you need. All colors available including white and metallic colors like gold or silver. No setup cost. Minimum quantity 1 piece.
>
>If you are interested, please contact me offline.
>
>Peter Aue



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Re: Custom Decals

MICHAELCALO3403 <michaelcalo3403@...>
 

Peter - how do I contact you offline?

Mike Calo
Glen Burnie MD  (just south of Baltimore)


From: "peteraue@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:36:08 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Custom Decals

 


I keep reading all these posts about the availability of decals and maybe I can help. I've been working for several years with a small company who is using a Roland Versacamm professional inkjet printer for printing custom decals.

If you can provide suitable artwork, I can get you any decals you need. All colors available including white and metallic colors like gold or silver. No setup cost. Minimum quantity 1 piece.

If you are interested, please contact me offline.

Peter Aue




Re: Custom Decals

Jon Miller
 

On 8/5/2014 9:57 AM, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] wrote:
Peter has produced a pair of custom sheets for my Passenger Cars

    Peter has done work for me (also) and I can say they are some of the best decals I've ever seen.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Those damn kits!

asychis@...
 

Dave,  What is your favorite software for a virtual reality railroad?  I have thought about this but never ventured into it. 
 
I was just thinking, somewhat tongue in cheek.  Considering all the expenses we have at the Amarillo Railroad Museum, maybe we should just do the Santa Fe from Canadian, TX to Clovis, NM, as a virtual railroad.  Would definitely give us a lot of space to put in one huge computer and hundreds of screens.  Lots of virtual engineers, a dispatcher, virtual tower operators.  The whole railroad for a very small cost. Might even attract a totally new generation of virtual model railroaders.  Skills would not be traditional (assembling kits, painting, decaling), but  creating CAD frameworks for prototypical cars and correct paint schemes.  I can see a 100 car reefers set being marketed on a CD. 
 
Jerry Michels 


Athearn Coors and Carnation

Richard Townsend
 

Back in the yellow box days Athearn produced models of reefers decorated for Coors and Carnation.   The Coors reefer is yellow with a logo for Coors Banquet beer and the Carnation reefer is white with the milk can and Carnation Milk in red on the sides. If you search eBay for "Athearn Coors" and "Athearn Carnation" you will see what I mean.  Neither car's P/L scheme is like any prototype car I have ever seen photos of.  The white Carnation P/L scheme bears no resemblance to the yellow schemes that FGEX and General American ran for them and have been available from Branchline and TMI and others, and the yellow Coors scheme looks nothing like the famous white one that TMI and MDC did versions of.  So my question is this: are these Athearn schemes total foobies, or did such cars ever exist, if even for a railroad fair of some kind?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Custom Decals

Aley, Jeff A
 

I did a quick google search for Roland Versacamm; these are $20,000 printers.  And more to the point, the ink is UV-cured and is waterproof and alcohol-proof, and is flexible.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:23 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Custom Decals

 

 

With an inkjet printer, will the decals be coated so as not to run in the water?

Andy Miller

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 11:36 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Custom Decals

I keep reading all these posts about the availability of decals and maybe I can help. I've been working for several years with a small company who is using a Roland Versacamm professional inkjet printer for printing custom decals.

If you can provide suitable artwork, I can get you any decals you need. All colors available including white and metallic colors like gold or silver. No setup cost. Minimum quantity 1 piece.

If you are interested, please contact me offline.

Peter Aue

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