Date   

Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <omahaduck@...> wrote :

Dennis
"Thanks for the links. I'll order a set of DSS&A decals from Andrew."

Oh, cool. The world needs more models of DSS&A equipment :-)

Given the late date you are modeling, you are going to want to model the conversion to AB brake equipment. Pay attention to the photos of the car at the Mid-Continent museum that I linked. The AAR recommended practice was to NOT locate the control valve below the door, or within 6' to either side, IIRC, to protect it from wagons or trucks backing into it when unloading the car. The shop forces at Marquette, on the other hand, couldn't see the sense in cutting holes through the deep center sills for the pipes, and so mounted the reservoir on the brake cylinder side, and the control valve right next to the reservoir, with a stout steel plate riveted to the side sill to protect the valve. I've seen photos of this on more than one car, but unfortunately never took any measurements.

Dennis Storzek


Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

David
 

As far as I know, the 42' cast flat was unique to UP. New Haven had some 40' GSC flats, N&W had some 48-footers, and PRR and LV had the older-design F30a/d flats, but I think those are it for conventional flats under 53'.

David Thompson


Re: ACC question

O Fenton Wells
 

I've heard a lot about it but have not tried it.  Any particular type or all they  all the same?
Thanks Fenton


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Denny Anspach danspachmd@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

The easy solution is Barge cement. One stays between the lines by only applying it through a ,060" hole drilled though the apex of the cap (stoppered by a T pin or similar). It is about the most common alternative cement that I turn to in most kit building, and has been so for years.

Denny




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: ACC question

Denny Anspach
 

The easy solution is Barge cement. One stays between the lines by only applying it through a ,060" hole drilled though the apex of the cap (stoppered by a T pin or similar). It is about the most common alternative cement that I turn to in most kit building, and has been so for years.

Denny


Trading up

Clark Propst
 

I have a friend that likes to keep his boxes up to date. [He doesn’t and probably never will have a layout, but enjoys collecting and fantasizing] Lets follow the path of some Milwaukee ribside cars he buys.
Lets start with him purchasing several Ribside Cars kits for around $18 each. Sorry to say, he falls into that klutz category. At least he admits it. He breaks parts off RTR trying to get them out of their boxes. So we already know those kits will never be built. Along comes Intermountain and Exact Rail with RTR versions costing around $30. To keep a handle on his inventory he sells the Ribside Cars kits to another fella for $8-10 each. This guy enjoys building freight car kits and is also a cheap skate. He’s happy to take the kits off his hands and sets to work building them all. They’ve been running on his layout for years now. That fella has a small fleet of Roundhouse ridsides that are now surplus. He sells them off to his operating crew for $4-5 each.
 
Let see...
Our ‘checkbook modeler’ spend around $45-50 a car with a return of $8-10 (he probably got $4-5 for however many Roundhouse ribsides he had in the beginning).Total cash outlay $35ish. He’s happy with his new ‘state of the art’ Milwaukee signature fleet.
The kit builder/operator/cheap skate spent $8-10 for kits he got the enjoyment from building and using during ops twice a week. His return from selling his Roundhouse cars was $4-5. His cash outlay was only $5.
The operators that picked up the Roundhouse cars for $4-5 are happy with their new weathered models, sporting Kadees and steel wheels. If they ever choose to part with their models they’ll get their $4-5 back.
Sounds like all my friends are happy campers – Because none are Prototype Geeks like this group  ;  ))
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Craig Zeni
 

On Aug 4, 2014, at 4:15 AM, STMFC@... wrote:
8a. Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability
Posted by: "North Model Railroad Supplies" nmrs@... atsfsd26
Date: Mon Aug 4, 2014 1:15 am ((PDT))

They should move to a made to order business plan like most industries.
Buying because you "may need it some day" sounds like the story line on
hoarders.
Mark Rickert
HEY!

How'd you get in my basement?


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

Clark Propst
 

Do you plan on releasing other paint schemes? Or, is your model UP specific?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

Charlie Duckworth
 

Dennis
Thanks for the links. I'll order a set of DSS&A decals from Andrew. Since I retired am slowly going through my inventory and finishing up kits I started but for various reasons didn't get finished. Sometimes waiting results in a more accurate model as I'd originally bought Champs Rutland decals to finish the kit due to the Rutland boxcar photo in the instructions. Obviously this list nor the internet wasn't around 25 years ago to ask questions.

Again, thanks to you and others for the DSS&A information.

Will be at the RPM in Collinsville, Il this coming weekend looks to be a great show.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

They should move to a made to order business plan like most industries.
Buying because you "may need it some day" sounds like the story line on
hoarders.
Mark Rickert

They have moved to “make to order”.

They call for reservations and if enough reservations are placed, they “make”.

If not they “don’t make”.

 

Put whatever label on it you want.

My point was if you feel you may need that kit, then reserve one.

If not, you risk that the run may be cancelled, because everyone else decided to sit on his hands like you (not you personally, Mark).

I for one, hope they continue to offer kits, so I’ll order a couple of the ones I think I can use.

Cheers

Dave North


Re: Those damn kits!

Greg Martin
 

Charlie Vlk writes in part:

"I do not see the advent of high level RTR “Checkbook” cars as being detrimental in any way to the Hobby." 

 

I see escalating cost and retail prices as a huge detriment to our hobby. There is a point when the bubble breaks and the committed modeler says he's done. Even the "Checkbook' modelers have some sense. There are quite a few new offerings that I just have said no to, I can make do without. If I never bought another freight car kit or RTR "Checkbook model" today I could find enough to do and never finish them all, the my Grandsons would lots of kits to build. If I need thirty to forty PRR X29s for starters and I had to pay 30+ dollars for each "checkbook kit' do the math, I will certainly blend the fleet with some of the old TMI/WKW X29s. My, my...

 

"It allows each of us to concentrate on a few aspects of the Hobby that we enjoy….even if you are a prototype modeler you may want to use your time working on your favorite prototype road’s equipment rather than having to spend hours on cars from roads that you care less about."

 

I can't speak for the group but I can tell you that I enjoy modeling my PRR as well most the other roads in the transition era, and it is not a rather than situation, I do it because I enjoy it and the research I do adds to the satisfaction I get from the project, they are each a project. Working on a layout when it comes time will get a share of my time ad well.

The other factor I believe is at work is that due to the advent quality RTR locomotives and cars and other materials to build a layout there are more people getting to the point of having a satisfying operating railroad rather than having a few completed Silver Streak kits and a (mostly) completed Varney, Penn Line or Mantua locomotive and a few lengths of flex track on a sheet of plywood.

 

I am not sure but it strikes me that your view of modeling is one that makes modeling and detailing locomotives and equipment an unrewarding labor intensive task and that went done we run out models on a layout of 4' x 8' plywood. My, my... I am so happy that the folk working on their SHAKE_N_TAKE don't have your view in mind... Shame Shame...

 

Boss at the Beach lock me up I surrender, 90° would be cooler and I think we are having as much humidity as you folks are... I need the rest...

Greg Martin and as Richard would say I am and I do count rivets...

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <abrown@...> wrote :

"Westerfield offers a decal set (#3865) for DSS&A USRA double-sheathed boxcars. I dunno if it's exact for the 1916-design cars, but it has to be close."


I forgot, some years after I sold my line to DesPlaines Hobby and the line became moribund, Al Westerfield produced models for the exact same prototype from new pattern work.The decals from Westerfield 10155 should work, and include the correct herals, dimensional data, and the slogan.

Here's a link to the Westerfield site:

Westerfield Models, LLC - 10155 1916 DESIGN, REBUILT BOX, DSS&A

 

Dennis Storzek

 






Eastern PA 2 Rail Scale and High Rail Train Show and Swap Meet

Rich Yoder
 

August 9th, 2014
Eastern PA 2 Rail Scale and High Rail Train Show and Swap Meet, Strasburg PA

Come one come all to the Eastern PA 2 rail O Scale swap meet and train show August 9th, Doors open at 9:00 am. The show is over at 1:00 PM dealers will be open until 1:00 PM

High railers welcome Admission at the door is $5.00 Wives, Children, and Active Military with ID are free! Come enjoy good Lancaster County hospitality and Amish style cooking. No smoking on the premises. Visit the Strasburg Railroad, Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum, or spend a night at the Red Caboose Motel.

Location: Strasburg PA Fire Company 203 W Franklin St. Strasburg PA 17579

https://maps.yahoo.com/#/place/?lat=39.98177331948242&lon=-76.18562579154968&q=203%20W%20Franklin%20St.%20Strasburg%20PA%2017579&bb=39.988070283629035%2C-76.19936943054199%2C39.975492218386044%2C-76.17188215255737&addr=203%20W%20Franklin%20St%2C%20Strasburg%2C%20PA%2017579-1542

 

Dealers attending:

 

Bob Lavezzi - All About Trains (NJ) 

Jack Mc Garry - Allegheny Scale Models 

Joe Foehrkolb – Baldwin Forge 

Bruce Blackwood – Burrett Hobbies

Ray Kaminski- Crusader Rail Services 

Bob Buck-GSI- O/G Scale installations 

John Pletcher – Iron Horse Engraving

Mike Rahilly – Just 2 Rails 

Lynn Hammond  - Laser Cut Kits

Bob Jones Models 

Dave Vaughn-Nickel Plate Models

Glenn Guerra – O Scale Resources On Line Magazine 

George Peckman – O Scale Supermarket

Brian Scace / Marty Brecbiel -  O Scale Trains Magazine 

Bob Heil – Sunset 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot

Ron and Ellie Rosenberg   -  Rons Books 

Rich Yoder – RY Models 

Stan Richmond – The Car Works

 

 Additional table holders in attendance – (not inclusive of last minute registerations)

Dale Blake

John Blanda

Frank Buonaluto

Roger Cairns

Bernie Duerr

George Eshbach

Jim Hawk

John Hutnick

Carl Jackson

Frank Kozempel

Guy/Katie Krivanek

Tom Mapes

Chuck Ostroff

James Pope

Wilbert Prattis

Al Pusey

Rich Randall

George/Patty Repenn

Art Selby

George Smozski

Gary Smith

Attalee Taylor

Tom Thorp

Mike Williams

 * A Trolley Collection will be disposed of at this Meet

 

 

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

7 Edgedale Court

Wyomissing PA 19610-1913

(H) 610-678-2834



Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

al_brown03
 

Apologies, I meant only the NYC (and ex-NYC) cars.

AL B.


Re: ACC question

O Fenton Wells
 

Got it, thanks John
Fenton


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:51 PM, johnsykesiii@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

The Loctite product described is designed for use on Delrin and other acetal plastics that are almost impossible to glue.  It works very well in my experience.  The primer is Loctite 770.  They recommend Loctite 401 ACC with it, but when my bottle of 401 dried-up I found that the primer works pretty well with other ACCs like ZAP.  It is rather toxic, so be careful with it.


-- John




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

Armand Premo
 


Al,The Rutland still had some also, albeit, with different ends :- ) Armand P

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

 

Westerfield offers a decal set (#3865) for DSS&A USRA double-sheathed boxcars. I dunno if it's exact for the 1916-design cars, but it has to be close.


Champ had a DSS&A roadname set (HN-145), and Jerry Glow catalogues a DSS&A DS boxcar set. A few years ago I detailed up the Storzek NYC kit as a DSS&A auto car, using mostly Champ decals. (I'd originally built it as an NYC car, but by '49 only the DSS&A still had the double-door cars in double-sheathed form. The DSS&A cars *were* ex-NYC.)


There are three forms of the monogram. Originally it said "South Shore" without a background color; later they added a black background, and finally they put "Duluth South Shore & Atlantic" inside. (They got a new president from Chicago, who thought they might get confused with the electric line, For dates and addition of the "Superior Gateway" slogan, see Gaertner's DSS&A book.)


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3986/7975 - Release Date: 08/03/14


Re: Those damn kits!

Charlie Vlk
 

Clark-

If you remove the Athearn Blue Box / MDC kits from the mix (those shake the box “kits” certainly were not adding to the skill level of Model Railroading) I would hazard that there are more kits available today and requiring a higher level of skill (not necessarily difficulty) to complete than ever before in the history of the Hobby.

I do not see the advent of high level RTR “Checkbook” cars as being detrimental in any way to the Hobby.   It allows each of us to concentrate on a few aspects of the Hobby that we enjoy….even if you are a prototype modeler you may want to use your time working on your favorite prototype road’s equipment rather than having to spend hours on cars from roads that you care less about. 

The other factor I believe is at work is that due to the advent quality RTR locomotives and cars and other materials to build a layout there are more people getting to the point of having a satisfying operating railroad rather than having a few completed Silver Streak kits and a (mostly) completed Varney, Penn Line or Mantua locomotive and a few lengths of flex track on a sheet of plywood.

I seriously doubt that in the 1950’s or 1960’s you would have been able to pull together as many people and models that you see at the various prototype modelers meets today.   The range of models, quality, and certainly the craftsmanship are miles ahead of what you would have seen even at the NMRA National contest room.

Having worked at several Hobby Shops over the years I know there are klutzes in the Hobby that make you wish there was a qualifying exam or get you thinking about taking up stamp collecting…..but they walked among us “back in the day” too!

Charlie Vlk

 

 

Besides the fact that the majority of the hobby seems to be made up of “Checkbook” modelers nowadays, many hobbyist are just plain klutzes.

A friend and I made a road trip to the nearest hobby shop last week. They buy collections and have a used section where you can still find a kit of two now and then. My friend picked up a couple P2K kits for six bucks each and found an Intermountain red M&StL box car (flash sells) ‘sort of’ assembled. He haggled for a price of a couple bucks.

After returning home I got a call from him asking if it was me that said you could break apart a super glued model by freezing it? I said I’ve read that, but never tried it. He did and it worked. You know how the ends of the IM 37 car are keyed with a different number of hole/peg combos on each end. Well, the klutz that tried to put this thing together super glued on the wrong end. To correct his mistake he snipped the pegs off the other end and super glued the brake rigging on wrong way round. While here for Monday Night Ops my friend asked if I had a spare roof. Seems his klutz friend had drill (something like) 1/4” holes for the running board pegs and didn’t get the roof snapped completely in before pouring on a tube of super glue. Oh, and the doors were on crooked too. Don’t know if the ladders were glued on, but hopefully he gave up before getting that far...

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: the Trainlife site was non-functional

SUVCWORR@...
 

Works for me just no photos

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 12:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] the Trainlife site was non-functional




Hi List Members,
 
I recall some weeks back there was discussion that the Trainlife site was non-functional.
 
Bob's link below to the Trainlife article does not work for me - does it work for anyone else? Is Trainlife still out of commission (Traindeath?!?) ???
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC ARA Boxcars

Some notes from the last discussion in March of 2014.

NYC Spec. 486 Boxcars
 
Suppose I want six of the NYC steel boxcars modeled by BLI. For 1951 - 53 how many should be 7/8 ends and how many should be Dreadnaught?
 
I suspect the answer to my question is in RPCyc21, which I do not yet have. – Jeff Aley
 
In the October 2006, MRC, Essential Freight Car article #34, NYC USRA design box cars, there is a table that lists all of the cars, and their similarities/differences. - Aaron Gjermundson
 
That information is also in the roster in my March, 2007 Railmodel Journal article on these cars. The only Spec. 486 box cars that had Dreadnaught ends were those built in 1927: 1,000 cars for the Big Four (later absorbed into the NYC roster), 50 cars for the Peoria & Eastern, and 1,000 cars for the NYC itself. So that's 2,050 cars out of almost 21,000, approximately one in ten. All the other cars had 7-8 corrugated ends. - Richard Hendrickson

Roster NYC Specification 486 Box Car from March, 2007 Railmodel Journal
Lots 539-B, 560-B and 563-B had Dreadnaught ends
TrainLife - March 2007 - Page 43
 
By the summer of 1946, most of the NYC’s USRA design steel box cars had new roofs - the rebuilding process started before WW II. – Richard Hendrickson mar-2014 STMFC Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960.
 
And there is much more in the STMFC archives ...

Bob Witt



Re: ACC question

Charles Hladik
 

Fenton,
    Dr. mikes works on Delrin also. www.drmikesglue.com
Chuck Hladik
 

In a message dated 8/3/2014 4:51:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

The Loctite product described is designed for use on Delrin and other acetal plastics that are almost impossible to glue.  It works very well in my experience.  The primer is Loctite 770.  They recommend Loctite 401 ACC with it, but when my bottle of 401 dried-up I found that the primer works pretty well with other ACCs like ZAP.  It is rather toxic, so be careful with it.


-- John


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

al_brown03
 

Westerfield offers a decal set (#3865) for DSS&A USRA double-sheathed boxcars. I dunno if it's exact for the 1916-design cars, but it has to be close.


Champ had a DSS&A roadname set (HN-145), and Jerry Glow catalogues a DSS&A DS boxcar set. A few years ago I detailed up the Storzek NYC kit as a DSS&A auto car, using mostly Champ decals. (I'd originally built it as an NYC car, but by '49 only the DSS&A still had the double-door cars in double-sheathed form. The DSS&A cars *were* ex-NYC.)


There are three forms of the monogram. Originally it said "South Shore" without a background color; later they added a black background, and finally they put "Duluth South Shore & Atlantic" inside. (They got a new president from Chicago, who thought they might get confused with the electric line, For dates and addition of the "Superior Gateway" slogan, see Gaertner's DSS&A book.)


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: the Trainlife site was non-functional

clipper841@att.net <clipper841@...>
 

claus:
the link works, just no pictures available, and you have to
click on the "text only" button
mel perry

On Aug 3, 2014, at 9:57 AM, 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC] wrote:

 



Hi List Members,
 
I recall some weeks back there was discussion that the Trainlife site was non-functional.
 
Bob's link below to the Trainlife article does not work for me - does it work for anyone else? Is Trainlife still out of commission (Traindeath?!?) ???
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC ARA Boxcars

Some notes from the last discussion in March of 2014.

NYC Spec. 486 Boxcars

 

Suppose I want six of the NYC steel boxcars modeled by BLI. For 1951 - 53 how many should be 7/8 ends and how many should be Dreadnaught?

 

I suspect the answer to my question is in RPCyc21, which I do not yet have. – Jeff Aley

 

In the October 2006, MRC, Essential Freight Car article #34, NYC USRA design box cars, there is a table that lists all of the cars, and their similarities/differences. - Aaron Gjermundson

 

That information is also in the roster in my March, 2007 Railmodel Journal article on these cars. The only Spec. 486 box cars that had Dreadnaught ends were those built in 1927: 1,000 cars for the Big Four (later absorbed into the NYC roster), 50 cars for the Peoria & Eastern, and 1,000 cars for the NYC itself. So that's 2,050 cars out of almost 21,000, approximately one in ten. All the other cars had 7-8 corrugated ends. - Richard Hendrickson


Roster NYC Specification 486 Box Car from March, 2007 Railmodel Journal

Lots 539-B, 560-B and 563-B had Dreadnaught ends

TrainLife - March 2007 - Page 43
 

By the summer of 1946, most of the NYC’s USRA design steel box cars had new roofs - the rebuilding process started before WW II. – Richard Hendrickson mar-2014 STMFC Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960.

 
And there is much more in the STMFC archives ...

Bob Witt