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Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

arved_grass
 

Guilty as charged: I'm happily replacing my fleet of 40' Athearn PFE reefers with the IM R-40-10, R40-23, Amarillo Rail Museum R-40-25, and other more accurate models, just as I'm happily as I replaced my horn hooks with #5s, then replaced the #5s with $58s, and now #58s with Sergent couplers.

Maybe I'm not an old timer after all?

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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability




I think the problem is the increasing age of model railroaders in general who are now accustomed to buying fewer RTR cars as opposed to more kits.

Most long experienced men have a closet full of kits along with a few bad experiences trying to assemble those kits.

I think once a new car comes out most men who want it will buy it; after that sale of the car will be slow including undec. and kits.

I think I am one of the few on the list actively buying older kits, but I am a special case - most of my best models were stolen.

I am a little surprised that some old timers will buy "new and improved" versions of models as they become available.

All of this merchandise is market driven. If kits, paint and decals sold briskly more would be available.


Re: Drawbar in Railroad Terminology

hees@...
 

As best I can tell, in the 19th century, the word "coupler" denoted an automatic device, while "drawbar" was the more technical term for a link and pin style device.  Hence"Miller couplers", "Janey couplers", but "Link & Pin drawheads".  By the way, the term "Janey" was troublesome since it referred to a pattened device... and the Master Car Builder's Assocation did not like to endorese a pattened soultion...

Randy Hees


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

Armand Premo
 


Unfortunately the ends of the NYC Cars were different than the ends of the Rutland cars.A Premo

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

 

The Rutland 8000-series cars and their rebuilt 6000-series cars, plus
the door and a half 9000-series, all had vertical staffs, even after
1950's. Once the PS-1's started hitting in 1954, the wood-sided cars
kept mostly to home rails.

Phil
Membership Chair, Rutland Railroad Historical Society
http://www.rutlandrr.org

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Charlie Duckworth omahaduck@...
[STMFC] wrote:
> Am building the Dennis Storzek 1916 NYC boxcar and am finishing it as a Rutland boxcar circa 1954 as shown in Ed Mines photo. The photo in the instructions shows only the A end of the Rutland boxcar and am wondering if the cars by 1954 still retained the vertical brake staff as shown on the Michigan Central auto car in the lead photo. I probably started this kit 25 years ago and amazing all the parts were still in the box. It's still a beautiful model given it's age and would stand up against any resin kits on the market today.
>
> Thanks for any help on the brake question.
>
> Charlie Duckworth
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Re: NYC ARA Boxcars

John Sykes III
 

Hyperventilated?!?!?!?


Actually, the photo you provided the link to (which is excellent), adds more smoke than light to the discussion.  Some of the cars appear to have flat-panel roofs with wood running boards, some appear to have raised panel (Murphy) roofs with US Gypsum running boards and at least one car near the foreground has a diagonal panel roof with USG running boards, but no roadnumber visible.  Finally, the one in the very foreground has raised panels & wood running boards but no visible number.


None have the raised panel Murphy roofs with Apex running boards, ala the BLI model.


Hyperventilated !$#@^$##^&


-- John


P.S.  I've only been on this list since I discovered it before the Cocoa Beach show two years ago.


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

The Rutland 8000-series cars and their rebuilt 6000-series cars, plus
the door and a half 9000-series, all had vertical staffs, even after
1950's. Once the PS-1's started hitting in 1954, the wood-sided cars
kept mostly to home rails.

Phil
Membership Chair, Rutland Railroad Historical Society
http://www.rutlandrr.org

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http://about.me/phillipblancher


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Charlie Duckworth omahaduck@...
[STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Am building the Dennis Storzek 1916 NYC boxcar and am finishing it as a Rutland boxcar circa 1954 as shown in Ed Mines photo. The photo in the instructions shows only the A end of the Rutland boxcar and am wondering if the cars by 1954 still retained the vertical brake staff as shown on the Michigan Central auto car in the lead photo. I probably started this kit 25 years ago and amazing all the parts were still in the box. It's still a beautiful model given it's age and would stand up against any resin kits on the market today.

Thanks for any help on the brake question.

Charlie Duckworth

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Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

Charlie Duckworth
 

Am building the Dennis Storzek 1916 NYC boxcar and am finishing it as a Rutland boxcar circa 1954 as shown in Ed Mines photo. The photo in the instructions shows only the A end of the Rutland boxcar and am wondering if the cars by 1954 still retained the vertical brake staff as shown on the Michigan Central auto car in the lead photo. I probably started this kit 25 years ago and amazing all the parts were still in the box. It's still a beautiful model given it's age and would stand up against any resin kits on the market today.

Thanks for any help on the brake question.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Armand Premo
 


    Clark,Like most of us I buy cars by type with the idea that someone might produce decals that represent the roads I want i.e.Alton, A A,GB&W. to name a few . Jerry Glow has made a few sets for me .I try to collect cars that I can   document that actually ran on the roads that I model.My stash is rather small now as I have built just about all I had.A.Premo

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

Armand,
Why would you buy cars you didn’t have, or could get, decals for? I know, because you could get the cars. But still, I should think that one would make sure he could get ALL the pieces before buying the puzzle. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Clark Propst
 

Armand,
Why would you buy cars you didn’t have, or could get, decals for? I know, because you could get the cars. But still, I should think that one would make sure he could get ALL the pieces before buying the puzzle. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

ed_mines
 

I think the problem is the increasing age of model railroaders in general who are now accustomed to buying fewer RTR cars as opposed to more kits.

 

Most long experienced men have a closet full of kits along with a few bad experiences trying to assemble those kits.

 

I think once a new car comes out most men who want it will buy it; after that sale of the car will be slow including undec. and kits.

 

I think I am one of the few on the list actively buying older kits, but I am a special case - most of my best models were stolen.

 

I am a little surprised that some old timers will buy "new and improved" versions of models as they become available.

 

All of this merchandise is market driven. If kits, paint and decals sold briskly more would be available. 


Re: NYC USRA-Design Steel Boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

John Sykes hyperventilated:
"C-1920 New York Central started building a group of boxcars to compete with the PRR X29 design to become an ARA proposed standard design.

Fast forward to today.  Broadway Limited Imports produced a group of these boxcars in HO from 1922 & 1924.  The 4-car set I bought (part # 1750) is advertised as having 7/8 Murphy ends, replacement Murphy roofs and STEEL RUNNING BOARDS.

Now, since I know nothing about NYC freight cars, I checked the online resources (including the NYC freight car list) and purchased a book called "Freight Equipment of the New York Central Volume 1:  Box, Stock & Refrigerator Cars".  On page 26 & 27 are 2 photos of cars from these groups (specifically 437-B, 439-B, 489-B & 491-B).  As best as I can tell (using a jeweler's loupe) these cars in these photos appear to have wood running boards.  So, WHAT'S THE STORY HERE???.

Should I be removing the Apex running boards from these models or are they correct (car #s are 103105, 106487, 108152 & 111869)???"

First, THESE ARE NOT PROPOSED ARA BOXCARS.  These are based on a proposed USRA steel design that was never built.

Second, it depends on when you're modeling.  See for yourself - NYC Buffalo NY, c. 1953:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmomay02.html


Ben Hom


Re: NYC ARA Boxcars

Bruce Smith
 

John,

These cars have been discussed here a number of times.  The BLI model represents the cars AS MODIFIED post WWII (with a few cars being modified during the war) with, as you note replacement roofs as well.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NYC ARA Boxcars



C-1920 New York Central started building a group of boxcars to compete with the PRR X29 design to become an ARA proposed standard design.


Fast forward to today.  Broadway Limited Imports produced a group of these boxcars in HO from 1922 & 1924.  The 4-car set I bought (part # 1750) is advertised as having 7/8 Murphy ends, replacement Murphy roofs and STEEL RUNNING BOARDS.


Now, since I know nothing about NYC freight cars, I checked the online resources (including the NYC freight car list) and purchased a book called "Freight Equipment of the New York Central Volume 1:  Box, Stock & Refrigerator Cars".  On page 26 & 27 are 2 photos of cars from these groups (specifically 437-B, 439-B, 489-B & 491-B).  As best as I can tell (using a jeweler's loupe) these cars in these photos appear to have wood running boards.!   So, WHAT'S THE STORY HERE???.


Should I be removing the Apex running boards from these models or are they correct (car #s are 103105, 106487, 108152 & 111869)???


-- John




NYC ARA Boxcars

John Sykes III
 

C-1920 New York Central started building a group of boxcars to compete with the PRR X29 design to become an ARA proposed standard design.


Fast forward to today.  Broadway Limited Imports produced a group of these boxcars in HO from 1922 & 1924.  The 4-car set I bought (part # 1750) is advertised as having 7/8 Murphy ends, replacement Murphy roofs and STEEL RUNNING BOARDS.


Now, since I know nothing about NYC freight cars, I checked the online resources (including the NYC freight car list) and purchased a book called "Freight Equipment of the New York Central Volume 1:  Box, Stock & Refrigerator Cars".  On page 26 & 27 are 2 photos of cars from these groups (specifically 437-B, 439-B, 489-B & 491-B).  As best as I can tell (using a jeweler's loupe) these cars in these photos appear to have wood running boards.  So, WHAT'S THE STORY HERE???.


Should I be removing the Apex running boards from these models or are they correct (car #s are 103105, 106487, 108152 & 111869)???


-- John


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Re: Type "D" vs. Type "E" Coupler Tests

Dave Nelson
 

Thanks Guy… did the ARA report cite anything about the actual value of maximum strength for either type?  Essentially is that 40,000 lbs. greater strength a 1% improvement or something like a 20% improvement?  Can’t tell right now.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Type "D" vs. Type "E" Coupler Tests

 




Statistical Dave wrote:

 

"Summary from Guy's post, questions to follow:

Type D required for New cars - 1918"

 

On, and after November 1, 1920


 

"For Type D cars post 1937, any idea of the rate of replacement with Type E?
Obviously as a percentage of the total fleet it could not exceed the
percentage of pre 1933 built cars, less post 1937 rebuilds... but would most
older cars equipped with Type D couplers retained them to scrapping?"

 

It would be speculative, but I would think a larger percentage of cars built new, and not rebuilt, with type "D" couplers were still equipped with them when scrapped.  Think of  (just) the thousands of x29 cars.   A complete Type "E" coupler was $31.o5 in 1938, and $107.85 by 1952.  So, I would guess that numerous  knuckles and parts were replaced prior to fully replacing the thousands of  Type "D" couplers.    The statistics of such conversions were not required by the AAR, thus individual railroad statistics would be the only source.  Would they have bothered?  I doubt it, but it may have been so.


"Does anyone know the "strength" of Type D relative to Type E?"

 

Summary of the American Railway Association tests, circa 1930:

 

The result of the two groups of tests show that the "E" couplers average 40,000 lbs. greater in ultimate strength, 15,000 lbs. greater in yield point, and had about 20% less permanent set at 250,000 lbs.  All of the "D" couplers developed a secondary failure through the upper front face at the notch provided to facilitate lock assembly, a point where many failures occur in service.  In the case of the "E" coupler, no failures developed through the face proper, all occurring at the juncture of the guard arm and face.  The elimination of the notch in the front face and the reinforcement of the face walls, combined with the greater resilience of the guard arm account for the improvement of the "E" coupler indicated by this group of tests. 

 

Regards,


Guy Wilber

Reno, Nevada

 

 

 

 

 

 





Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

O Fenton Wells
 

One other thing to consider and that is the old time kit bash.  Clark Propst at first in the Culotta Prototype Railroad Modeling magazines and then Greg Martin with the Shake 'N Take at Cocoa has gotten me really into this and I am loving it.  With the wait from Red Caboose and IM you have to be patient but lots of fun once you get the parts needed for a bash. I did two early C&NW early PS-1's from an article in RPC Vol 1 by Wilder and Hawkins and waited about 8 months for the IM parts.  I got the 10'-6" IH ARA cars in a few weeks but the roofs, ends and other PS-1 parts I never got and had to beg from other modelers or improvise.
Still I really enjoy the bashing with an end result that is not available in stores.  But I'm older and the younger guys don't build or bash much anymore and that is why the paint, kits and parts are disappearing.  Somebody has to buy stuff to make it profitable and a lot of us buy RTR and take out of the box.  Not a knock against anyone just an observation, it is what it is.
Fenton




On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:41 PM, 'A Premo' armprem2@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 



    Fenton,Been there,done that.I will just have to stick to resin kits and forget about both Intermountain and Red Caboose.Tru Color is basiclly the old  Accupaint.I too have had mixed results with Acrylic paints.Armand Premo
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

I'm a lacquer or enamel user, that is for air brushing.  I've tried the water based paints and I will brush them but I haven't liked the results from spraying them.  Mostly Scale Coat II now but I have managed to squirrel away lots of Floquil.  I'll probably have some when they take me to the nursing home.
I agree on the decals.  What I have found however is that if you can do the research, lettering diagrams, copies of the art work from the RR files and photos some of the decal companies will work these for you.  Being a SR fan Hubert Mask at Mask Island has been very easy to work with and has done several of 1930's - 1950's SR decals that are very nice and weren't available before.  So get the info, photos and find a decal printer who will work with you, you may be surprised.
Good Luck
Fenton


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM, 'A Premo' armprem2@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 



That sounds great Fenton until you start looking for specific decals.You may have to rely on custom made (and I have done that ).Now, what do you use for paint,and matching paint? Armand Premo
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

I believe if you check Herald King you will find they are still in business although under new owners.  I recently purchased some decals from them and they were fine.  Most of their decals are from a later time period than I model but not all.  Check them out.
Fenton Wells


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:44 AM, haagtk@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I am not sure why you would make such a blanket statement like that when there are lots of decals still out there.  I would even say that the there are more accurate sets available than at any other time.  Sure Walthers, Champ, and Herald King no longer offer decals but many of these sets were inaccurate or came with generic data.  


There are a lot more smaller companies or individuals selling many more accurate sets.  

Staying on the Intermountain undec theme I have finished the following cars starting with the Intermountain undec 1958 cuft covered hopper car.  While most are too modern for this list it still shows the variety of decals still available:

DT&I - MG Decals
EL- Prime Mover Decals
CofG - Mask Island
ICG - Kohlberg 

-Tom Haag




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Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

arved_grass
 

Intermountain is convinced that we want R-T-R models. They'll tack on a few kits and parts for us die-hards, but it's obvious the numbers are that people are buying R-T-R models. Many would rather spend the time on their layout. You can't buy a R-T-R layout, so they (THEY - NOT ME) spend time on the layout and forgo kit building.

If you want kits, buy kits when they are available. If you can't depend on IM or other manufacturers to stock kits for you to buy when you need them, then the answer is to buy kits when they are available, and stock them yourself.

It's just the way things are, unfortunately, but the market has spoken, and it's not good news for those of us who like to build kits. We are in a diminishing minority.

Speaking of decals, I just bought some Mark Island decals for a Rock Island 40'  PS-1 I'm about to build. They look to be very good decals. The undec Kadee PS-1 and associated detail parts (Youngstown door from Southwest Scale Productions, Plano Roofwalks, etc) have yet to arrive, so it'll be a while before I get to try them., but they look to be top notch quality.

My undec kits from Ribside Cars also included decals, and I was fretting over finding suitable decals for these cars. I'm looking forward to working on these kits as soon as a few other things get finished on the workbench.

Warmest regards,
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Armand Premo
 


    Fenton,Been there,done that.I will just have to stick to resin kits and forget about both Intermountain and Red Caboose.Tru Color is basiclly the old  Accupaint.I too have had mixed results with Acrylic paints.Armand Premo

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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

I'm a lacquer or enamel user, that is for air brushing.  I've tried the water based paints and I will brush them but I haven't liked the results from spraying them.  Mostly Scale Coat II now but I have managed to squirrel away lots of Floquil.  I'll probably have some when they take me to the nursing home.
I agree on the decals.  What I have found however is that if you can do the research, lettering diagrams, copies of the art work from the RR files and photos some of the decal companies will work these for you.  Being a SR fan Hubert Mask at Mask Island has been very easy to work with and has done several of 1930's - 1950's SR decals that are very nice and weren't available before.  So get the info, photos and find a decal printer who will work with you, you may be surprised.
Good Luck
Fenton


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM, 'A Premo' armprem2@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 



That sounds great Fenton until you start looking for specific decals.You may have to rely on custom made (and I have done that ).Now, what do you use for paint,and matching paint? Armand Premo
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

I believe if you check Herald King you will find they are still in business although under new owners.  I recently purchased some decals from them and they were fine.  Most of their decals are from a later time period than I model but not all.  Check them out.
Fenton Wells


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:44 AM, haagtk@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I am not sure why you would make such a blanket statement like that when there are lots of decals still out there.  I would even say that the there are more accurate sets available than at any other time.  Sure Walthers, Champ, and Herald King no longer offer decals but many of these sets were inaccurate or came with generic data.  


There are a lot more smaller companies or individuals selling many more accurate sets.  

Staying on the Intermountain undec theme I have finished the following cars starting with the Intermountain undec 1958 cuft covered hopper car.  While most are too modern for this list it still shows the variety of decals still available:

DT&I - MG Decals
EL- Prime Mover Decals
CofG - Mask Island
ICG - Kohlberg 

-Tom Haag




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Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

O Fenton Wells
 

I'm a lacquer or enamel user, that is for air brushing.  I've tried the water based paints and I will brush them but I haven't liked the results from spraying them.  Mostly Scale Coat II now but I have managed to squirrel away lots of Floquil.  I'll probably have some when they take me to the nursing home.
I agree on the decals.  What I have found however is that if you can do the research, lettering diagrams, copies of the art work from the RR files and photos some of the decal companies will work these for you.  Being a SR fan Hubert Mask at Mask Island has been very easy to work with and has done several of 1930's - 1950's SR decals that are very nice and weren't available before.  So get the info, photos and find a decal printer who will work with you, you may be surprised.
Good Luck
Fenton


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM, 'A Premo' armprem2@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 



That sounds great Fenton until you start looking for specific decals.You may have to rely on custom made (and I have done that ).Now, what do you use for paint,and matching paint? Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

I believe if you check Herald King you will find they are still in business although under new owners.  I recently purchased some decals from them and they were fine.  Most of their decals are from a later time period than I model but not all.  Check them out.
Fenton Wells


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:44 AM, haagtk@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I am not sure why you would make such a blanket statement like that when there are lots of decals still out there.  I would even say that the there are more accurate sets available than at any other time.  Sure Walthers, Champ, and Herald King no longer offer decals but many of these sets were inaccurate or came with generic data.  


There are a lot more smaller companies or individuals selling many more accurate sets.  

Staying on the Intermountain undec theme I have finished the following cars starting with the Intermountain undec 1958 cuft covered hopper car.  While most are too modern for this list it still shows the variety of decals still available:

DT&I - MG Decals
EL- Prime Mover Decals
CofG - Mask Island
ICG - Kohlberg 

-Tom Haag




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Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Armand Premo
 


Blanket or no.May be I'll send you a list of decal sets I am looking for and then let you tell me where I can find them.I have roughly ten Intermountain and Red Caboose cars all built waiting for decals..Custom orders are one answer what others do you have? Armand Premo

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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

I am not sure why you would make such a blanket statement like that when there are lots of decals still out there.  I would even say that the there are more accurate sets available than at any other time.  Sure Walthers, Champ, and Herald King no longer offer decals but many of these sets were inaccurate or came with generic data.  


There are a lot more smaller companies or individuals selling many more accurate sets.  

Staying on the Intermountain undec theme I have finished the following cars starting with the Intermountain undec 1958 cuft covered hopper car.  While most are too modern for this list it still shows the variety of decals still available:

DT&I - MG Decals
EL- Prime Mover Decals
CofG - Mask Island
ICG - Kohlberg 

-Tom Haag

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Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Armand Premo
 


That sounds great Fenton until you start looking for specific decals.You may have to rely on custom made (and I have done that ).Now, what do you use for paint,and matching paint? Armand Premo

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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

 

I believe if you check Herald King you will find they are still in business although under new owners.  I recently purchased some decals from them and they were fine.  Most of their decals are from a later time period than I model but not all.  Check them out.
Fenton Wells


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:44 AM, haagtk@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I am not sure why you would make such a blanket statement like that when there are lots of decals still out there.  I would even say that the there are more accurate sets available than at any other time.  Sure Walthers, Champ, and Herald King no longer offer decals but many of these sets were inaccurate or came with generic data.  


There are a lot more smaller companies or individuals selling many more accurate sets.  

Staying on the Intermountain undec theme I have finished the following cars starting with the Intermountain undec 1958 cuft covered hopper car.  While most are too modern for this list it still shows the variety of decals still available:

DT&I - MG Decals
EL- Prime Mover Decals
CofG - Mask Island
ICG - Kohlberg 

-Tom Haag




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