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Re: Seen & Heard at Cocoa Beach - Southern Car and Foundry tank car

greg kennelly
 

Brian,


Thank you for posting this group of photographs.  I am particularly interested in a group of British American Oil Company (BAOX) tank cars also built by STC Co in March - August of 1923.  Virtually all the photographs I have found of these cars have the bolster/tank cradle in deep shadow, so your photographs are a major find for me in terms of sorting out how the bolster/tank cradle was constructed. 


That said, I notice a major difference in the construction of the two bolsters/tank cradles shown on SCCX 662.  The lower member of the bolster on the B-end of the car is a channel (open side down) between the two "face-plates".  The lower member of the A-end bolster is a flat plate attached to the "face-plates" with "outward-facing" angles.


Was this standard practice for STC Co built cars or was there a change in bolster/tank cradle construction at some point?  Any information/comments greatly appreciated.


Thanks, also, for the Mainline Modeler reference.  I had forgotten that one!


Regards,

Greg Kennelly

Burnaby, BC

Re: Wabash Auto Cars

James E Kubanick
 

John,

F&C offers this car in resin.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


From: John Barry
To: STMFC
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:33 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash Auto Cars

 
Along the lines of my previous post, I have a partial view of  Wabash 45208, a SS Auto Box with staggered doors.  Any modeling suggestions?
 
John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682

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Re: RDG 4000 class XMR

Eric Lombard
 

No modeling suggestions, sorry - but surely there are several subscribers who can provide tested information?

Professor Emeritus
Organismal Biology, University of Chicago
Research Associate, Field Museum of Natural History
708-720-0566 
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:39 PM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
 

Eric,

Great info, Thank you.  Yahoo did goober the tabs, but the info was discernable.  Looks like in 44 they only had a few alibis in the series so almost any number would do.  Any modelling suggestions?

John
 
John Barry




ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights






3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "elombard@..." <elombard@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: RDG 4000 class XMR

 
John, here is a service history for these cars - indeed some were rolling along during your modeling era. If Yahoo mangles the formatting too badly so that the text is too difficult to decipher let me know and I will send the file to you off list.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

1917[4]              Ordered from PUL.
1918      500  4000-4499 BLT Pullman, IL.

1917[4]              Ordered from ACF.
1918      500  4500-4999 BLT Berwick, PA.

1919(12)    1000  In combined 4000-4999.
1923-
1925              10 cars, 11712<>13417, out of combined 11550-13549,
        XMp, RENO to present series as replacements in
        4168<>4911:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1924              Begin change marks from P&R to RDG.
1925(10)      999  [sic]
1926(4)    1000  Includes 10 XMp replacement cars.
1928(3)      989  Plus 10 XMp replacement cars.
19xx-
1930              4 RENO to #5000, 5112, 5201, 5710 in combined
        5000-5999, XMs, as replacements.
1929--
1930              4 RENO to  RDG #100009, 100072, 100299, 100789 in
        combined 100000-100999, XMu, as replacements.
1930              1, #4572, RENO to #102880 in 102400-102999, XMu, as

        a replacement car.
1932(5)      979
1933[1]              Plus 10 XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1933(7)      979
1933[9]      979
1936[1]      978
1938[1]      975  491 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              484 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              Plus 10 as XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1940[1]      967  485 as original XMr in 4000-4499

              482 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              Plus 10 as XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1942(4)      977  Includes XMp replacement cars.
1943[1]         ...  Only one replacement XMr, #4168.
1944[1]      970  486 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              484 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              0 XMp replacement cars, all retired.
1944[6]      967  485 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              482 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1945[6]      963  483 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              480 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1948[1]      519  262 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              257 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1949(7)        44
1950[1]         ...  Car Classification document not readable.
1951[2]        39  18 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              21 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1953[2]        14    3 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              11 as original XMr in 4500-4999.



Re: Wabash Auto Cars

gn999gn
 

John -

 

One suggestion would be to look for either the Speedwitch Media, or

Sunshine resin kits.  Both would likely cover your requirement nicely.

 

ron depierre

Re: RDG 4000 class XMR

John Barry
 

Eric,

Great info, Thank you.  Yahoo did goober the tabs, but the info was discernable.  Looks like in 44 they only had a few alibis in the series so almost any number would do.  Any modelling suggestions?

John
 
John Barry




ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights




707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682



From: "elombard@..."
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: RDG 4000 class XMR

 
John, here is a service history for these cars - indeed some were rolling along during your modeling era. If Yahoo mangles the formatting too badly so that the text is too difficult to decipher let me know and I will send the file to you off list.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

1917[4]              Ordered from PUL.
1918      500  4000-4499 BLT Pullman, IL.

1917[4]              Ordered from ACF.
1918      500  4500-4999 BLT Berwick, PA.

1919(12)    1000  In combined 4000-4999.
1923-
1925              10 cars, 11712<>13417, out of combined 11550-13549,
        XMp, RENO to present series as replacements in
        4168<>4911:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1924              Begin change marks from P&R to RDG.
1925(10)      999  [sic]
1926(4)    1000  Includes 10 XMp replacement cars.
1928(3)      989  Plus 10 XMp replacement cars.
19xx-
1930              4 RENO to #5000, 5112, 5201, 5710 in combined
        5000-5999, XMs, as replacements.
1929--
1930              4 RENO to  RDG #100009, 100072, 100299, 100789 in
        combined 100000-100999, XMu, as replacements.
1930              1, #4572, RENO to #102880 in 102400-102999, XMu, as
        a replacement car.
1932(5)      979
1933[1]              Plus 10 XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1933(7)      979
1933[9]      979
1936[1]      978
1938[1]      975  491 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              484 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              Plus 10 as XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1940[1]      967  485 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              482 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              Plus 10 as XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1942(4)      977  Includes XMp replacement cars.
1943[1]         ...  Only one replacement XMr, #4168.
1944[1]      970  486 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              484 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              0 XMp replacement cars, all retired.
1944[6]      967  485 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              482 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1945[6]      963  483 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              480 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1948[1]      519  262 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              257 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1949(7)        44
1950[1]         ...  Car Classification document not readable.
1951[2]        39  18 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              21 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1953[2]        14    3 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              11 as original XMr in 4500-4999.


Re: RDG 4000 class XMR

Eric Lombard
 

John, here is a service history for these cars - indeed some were rolling along during your modeling era. If Yahoo mangles the formatting too badly so that the text is too difficult to decipher let me know and I will send the file to you off list.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

1917[4]              Ordered from PUL.
1918      500  4000-4499 BLT Pullman, IL.

1917[4]              Ordered from ACF.
1918      500  4500-4999 BLT Berwick, PA.

1919(12)    1000  In combined 4000-4999.
1923-
1925              10 cars, 11712<>13417, out of combined 11550-13549,
        XMp, RENO to present series as replacements in
        4168<>4911:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1924              Begin change marks from P&R to RDG.
1925(10)      999  [sic]
1926(4)    1000  Includes 10 XMp replacement cars.
1928(3)      989  Plus 10 XMp replacement cars.
19xx-
1930              4 RENO to #5000, 5112, 5201, 5710 in combined
        5000-5999, XMs, as replacements.
1929--
1930              4 RENO to  RDG #100009, 100072, 100299, 100789 in
        combined 100000-100999, XMu, as replacements.
1930              1, #4572, RENO to #102880 in 102400-102999, XMu, as
        a replacement car.
1932(5)      979
1933[1]              Plus 10 XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1933(7)      979
1933[9]      979
1936[1]      978
1938[1]      975  491 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              484 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              Plus 10 as XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1940[1]      967  485 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              482 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              Plus 10 as XMp replacement cars:
        #4168, 4176, 4307, 4400, 4431, 4709, 4718, 4751,
          4819, 4911.
1942(4)      977  Includes XMp replacement cars.
1943[1]         ...  Only one replacement XMr, #4168.
1944[1]      970  486 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              484 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
              0 XMp replacement cars, all retired.
1944[6]      967  485 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              482 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1945[6]      963  483 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              480 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1948[1]      519  262 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              257 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1949(7)        44
1950[1]         ...  Car Classification document not readable.
1951[2]        39  18 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              21 as original XMr in 4500-4999.
1953[2]        14    3 as original XMr in 4000-4499
              11 as original XMr in 4500-4999.

Wabash Auto Cars

John Barry
 

Along the lines of my previous post, I have a partial view of  Wabash 45208, a SS Auto Box with staggered doors.  Any modeling suggestions?
 
John Barry




ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights




707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682

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RDG 4000 class XMR

John Barry
 

I have a bit of a quandry.  I model Richmond CA in 1944 and found several photos recently that show intriguing snippets of freight cars that served the area in my era.  In some cases, they are very incomplete fragments such as the attached dimensional data from a Reading DS XMR.  Looking this up in the 53 ORER, it seems to match the info for item 5, XM 4000-4999, a 36ft box with a steel underframe.  Other items in the photo lead me to believe that it dates from 37-47 and I don't have access to my 43 or 45 ORERs.  Can someone who does tell me if RDG rostered any 4000 XMRs in 44 and does anyone have a picture of the entire car?
 
John Barry




ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights




707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682

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Touch of Class Models

dahminator68
 

Hello Steam Era Modelers:  Both I and one of my Customers are looking to get ahold of Jerry Dembeck, owner of Touch of Class Models.
Does anyone know of a way to reach Mr. Dembeck other than his email?
Has anyone heard if he is still in business?
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm

Re: Genesee & Wyoming box car

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


For what it's worth, the number of believed dispositons does not exceed the number of available cars, so no red flag on that aspect.
 
Eric N.
 

I am late to the discussion, but I do agree that these box cars appear to be former B&O class M-55h. A nice find, Tim as I was not a where that some of the M-55h went to other railroads.

In the 1960s, the B&O rebuilt some of these into 50'-6" box cars and apparently others went to equipment brokers. The B&O and maybe other railroads apparently were purging their fleets of 40-ft box cars.

Another identifying feature is the small upper rib on the Dreadnaught ends and yes the tabs on the underframe match those on the M-55h.  I have observed a few examples of B&O box cars where the Duryea underframe were made fixed or rigid so this could have happened to this group of box cars that ended up on the Genesee & Wyoming.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: CNW/CMO single sheathed boxcars-- Sunshine l927 models 49.3 and 49.4

J. Craig Whitcomb
 

I looked through the Fall 1990 issue of NWL.  The only article involving box cars was titled "Stock Cars from Box Cars".  It talks about the conversion of box cars which "came from several different series."  There is no mention of brake equipment of any kind in this article.
 
Jan Whitcomb
northern Wisconsin
 
 


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:10 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
 

I have 4 bodies (2 CNW and 2 CMO) ready for the addition of KC brakes and I noticed in the Mainline Modeler drawings in the September 2003 issue that the 1921 version of these cars had the 3 brake levers.  The article implies that the same brake system was used on the 1927 cars with Dreadnaught ends.   Sunshine did not use the third brake lever in its 1921 edition of these cars nor in the 1927 edition that I am building. 
 
Should I follow the drawing in Mainline Modeler with the 3 brake levers for KC brakes or the Sunshine kit with the 2 brake levers?  Well, I could do 2 of each! 
The Mainline Modeler says that there was an article on these cars in the  Fall 1990 issue of North Western Lines.  Can someone who has that article take a quick look to see if mentions anything about brake levers?  TIA
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock



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Re: Genesee & Wyoming box car

rwitt_2000
 

I am late to the discussion, but I do agree that these box cars appear to be former B&O class M-55h. A nice find, Tim as I was not a where that some of the M-55h went to other railroads.

In the 1960s, the B&O rebuilt some of these into 50'-6" box cars and apparently others went to equipment brokers. The B&O and maybe other railroads apparently were purging their fleets of 40-ft box cars.

Another identifying feature is the small upper rib on the Dreadnaught ends and yes the tabs on the underframe match those on the M-55h.  I have observed a few examples of B&O box cars where the Duryea underframe were made fixed or rigid so this could have happened to this group of box cars that ended up on the Genesee & Wyoming.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: CRI&P 53' war gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:27 AM, twinstarcars@... wrote:

Does anyone have photos from the late '50's showing the 53' war gons in revenue service that were not converted to TOFC service?


ross, the attached photo shows a car after the wood side sheathing had been replaced with sections of corrugated steel gondola ends.  Reweigh date is 1955.  I hope this is useful.

Richard Hendrickson


CRI&P 53' war gons

twinstarcars
 

Does anyone have photos from the late '50's showing the 53' war gons in revenue service that were not converted to TOFC service?

Thanks,
Ross

CNW/CMO single sheathed boxcars-- Sunshine l927 models 49.3 and 49.4

gary laakso
 

I have 4 bodies (2 CNW and 2 CMO) ready for the addition of KC brakes and I noticed in the Mainline Modeler drawings in the September 2003 issue that the 1921 version of these cars had the 3 brake levers.  The article implies that the same brake system was used on the 1927 cars with Dreadnaught ends.   Sunshine did not use the third brake lever in its 1921 edition of these cars nor in the 1927 edition that I am building. 
 
Should I follow the drawing in Mainline Modeler with the 3 brake levers for KC brakes or the Sunshine kit with the 2 brake levers?  Well, I could do 2 of each! 
The Mainline Modeler says that there was an article on these cars in the  Fall 1990 issue of North Western Lines.  Can someone who has that article take a quick look to see if mentions anything about brake levers?  TIA
 
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Re: you might get a chuckle out of this

albyrno
 

Don't worry about using them that is a good thickness for all sorts of things and is easily cut to width,I got some years ago and have found several uses for it.

     Alan

Re: Freight Car Books (was: Pere Marquette and C&O steel boxcar paint query)

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., David Sieber <ealabhan0@...> wrote:

in STMFC, Al Kresse said: "I last got into this when doing the C&O Box Cars book draft back in 1996 ... Since we had only sold 1800-2400 copies of the C&O Hops and Gons book the powers at the Society decided they would NOT publish the even greater number of pages box car book . . . nor any other FC book selling for over $19.95 and no more than an expected 18 month (pref 12 months) full-payback."


Al, perhaps the Society was somewhat shortsighted in this. I model the Far West, but still purchased the C&OHS' "C&O Hoppers and Gondolas" book, even though very few C&O hoppers, if any (nor hardly any Eastern coal hoppers) made it across the Rockies -- and yes, I have seen photos and other documentation of some notable exceptions, but each was just that, a rare exception). However, a much larger audience is likely to consider buying a Society-issued book on boxcars, which commonly traveled nationwide. Many of us own extensive libraries of Morning Sun's not-inexpensive "_____ Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" books to better model foreign road freight cars seen in interchange on our prototype 'home road.'

Suggest that the C&OHS reconsider publishing a C&O boxcar book, preferably in hard copy. A downloadable PDF could be offered if they wish to minimize sunk costs of printing books, but it's much harder to come close to prototype colors on customers' computer screens and printers (a dead horse which has already been beaten to death many times, so no further comments required, please).

Dave Sieber, Reno NV

Picked up a copy of the PM freight car book in hardbound form at a hobby shop sale for $20 a few months ago. Great book at that price
.....but I wouldn't pay much more for one even if it were on Rutland, Central Vermont or Boston & Maine equipment. One can only spend so much for this stuff and only find space to store so much of it as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Are Moisture Traps Always Necessary?

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Bill Welch writes:

"Presumably there may states
in the Union w/higher humidity than Tennessee and Virginia but never
during the some 20 years of use in such environs do I ever remember
seeing any moisture in the trap or feeling any moisture when I have
bled the trap."

Well, having lived 19 yrs in east Tennessee and now 50 yrs in the real
Florida, I can tell you of a state with higher humidity than Tennessee [
can't speak for Virginia ]. Florida.

There used to be a guy that gave clinics at Sunshine Region NMRA conventions
around the state representing a paint company [ Badger? ]. His point that he
continually made was that, in Florida, you are going to pump water,
particularly if you paint during the Florida summer [ Mid Feb to mid
December ]. Taking his advice to heart and having blasted water all over
both Scalecoat and Floquil painted models, I put in place extensive water
traps. Better, I switched to Polyscale paints and when the inevitable water
gushed out I said to hell with it and kept on painting. Oh, did I say I
don't have a spay booth and paint outside...sometimes during one of the
daily Florida summer thunderstorms.

"After all Florida's humidity, at least where I am, is trivial
compared to previous places, so what are the chances after all of
these years that the trap is actually going to capture any moisture."

Man, those Modelflex fumes must be quite strong. I mean we are talking about
the Florida that lies just south of Georgia...aren't we? I have to admit
being rather curious about where you are. Perhaps there is some mysterious
drying force at work there that we don't have over here on the east coast or
central Florida. Do you ever go outside? I mean, before AC, Florida
was...well...Florida. The only advantage I can recall from the Florida
humidity was that in the early morning you can see where your golf ball
went, it leaving a trail on the morning dew. We didn't have that advantage
in Tennessee.

Mike Brock...ex Ridge runner from Tennessee

I think you fellows may be overlooking something with "compressors pumping water". When I first tried an airbrush it was Andy Miller's borrowed Paasche H-1 and his Binks, IIRC, compressor at the MIT Model R.R. Club back in late 1967 or early 1968. There seemed to be no problem with either humidity on the old barn the club called hone, the long since removed Building #20. Over the yerss since I have used
similar diaphragm operated compressors of several makes, though I think most of them are made by one company and sold under many labels.
Having experienced the water in paint problem just once I went to an in hose Paasche "moisture trap". For the most part it worked. In the 1980's a large Agway compressor was acquired to clean of the hay baler each fall and for other such things with farm machinery. In the winter is was used mostly for painting model railroad equipment. For that sucker used for that purpose I acquired the needed pressur regulator combined with a laqrger moisture trap and have been ever thankful that I did. That damn thing could pump water in the Sahara!
It did not take long to realize that larger compressors with a ten, twenty or larger capacity tank with create moisture from condensation within the tank. All of these that I have ever seen have a drain plug on their bottom and I HIGHLY recommend using it once in a while. Better yet, remove the drain plug, tgurn the compressor on and BLOW the tank out well for a few minutes! I now also have one of the smaller Chinese made compressors that Sears often has on sale for $100 or so. Once one replaces a the junky little air filter they come with they are not too bad. But I have found moisture from time to time in moisture traps in Mass., N.H., VT and here in VA as well whether painting in a garage, a basement or outside and will always
use a moisture trap as a precaution. Better safe than sorry!

Just another view of the issue, Don Valentine

Re: you might get a chuckle out of this

Andy Harman
 

At 04:51 PM 1/27/2014 -0800, you wrote:
mostly decimal inch sizes in the container. I was going to buy a few packages when he told me, "$20 takes it all". I don't think that a twenty has flown so quickly out of my pocket.
At last years local NMRA show, the estate table had a tray full of detail parts, with a little sign saying 50 cents each. I started thumbing through them, and the guys said "You can do that or 30 takes them all including the tray". Yep. I still haven't looked through all of them yet, but I will get my money's worth.

Andy

Re: you might get a chuckle out of this

Andy Harman
 

At 02:45 PM 1/27/2014 -0800, you wrote:

A previous owner tried to sell the strips individually; at least 30 or 40 have individual price tags of 16 cents each.
Hopefully you can get the price tags off without damaging the plastic.

I have two drawers full of Evergreen - probably at least one pack of every size/shape they made at one time or another. Odds are whatever I use the most of, I'll run out of when I need it most.

I've learned not to take anything for granted. Styrene shapes are used by model builders in all scales and all types of modeling, but model building has declined. Heck, even military models now come "RTR" and I plead guilty to buying a few. Always wanted a P-40 and I've never been good at painting camo, so I bought a medium scale model - maybe 1/72? RTR. I still build model cars (1/25) the occasional civilian aircraft (1/144) and the occasional spacecraft. But the vast majority of my Evergreen is used on modeling 1/87 choo choos.

Andy