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Re: Ye Old X29

Benjamin Hom
 

Arved Grass wrote:
"Is it safe to assume these didn't venture far from home rails, and would be of little or no interest to a modeler of Southern Pacfic's Coast Line? Or might an express car have ended up on the Coast Mail in anything resembling a regular basis?"

You haven't been doing too well with assumptions lately. Express service X29s traveled far and wide from PRR home rails. For example, magazines were shipped weekly from New York to the west coast, often in X29s or Class B60B baggage cars. You may not have seen them on the Coast Mail, but you definitely would have seen them crossing Donner Pass.




"Both cars have the "shadow keystone" logo introduced in 1954. I'm trying to stick to 1953."
If you want an express X29 for 1953, do a Circle Keystone car.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-xm-9495.jpg&fr=


Ben Hom


Re: Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

John Evans
 

I think those hoppers might belong to Chuck Davis. I've seen some of his stuff before and have emailed back and forth with him. 


On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:37 PM, "sgaab@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Wow, so many (all) great models. Being from the anthracite region, who did those Lehigh Valley hoppers? Would like details on their construction if possible.

 

Greg Bartek


Re: NYC box car photo

Allan Smith
 

Per Kadees web site.The PS=1's built between 1947- to the middle of 1950 have what I call a 10-2 roof. The two end panels don't have the raised bowtie, they are flat panels. Cars in Lot 5942 and before did not have the stiffeners in the end panels while cars in Lot 5950 an afterwards did.

Al Smith Sonora CA


Re: Ye Old X29

Bruce Smith
 

Arved,

The RC patch panels are "half width" and on both sides of the door (so really full-width). What was usual is a good question. Initially, patches were just the end panel or 2 panels. Patch height often varied between 1 an 2 feet. Then patches could be most, but not all of the panels. As the cars rotted even more, patches became more uniform and basically patched from the door opening to the end of the car.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Ye Old X29

Bruce showed patches that were both half width (that is, from the end to the door, on both sides of the door) as well as individual panel patches.

Being naiive and unfamiliar with the RC X29 model, and the PRR in general, how did RC patch it? What was usually done?

Yes, I've learned the addage "every modeler ends up being a PRR modeler." I'm just way late to the game on this one.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/15/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Ye Old X29
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 2:48 PM

Jim



True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the
carbody styles and

they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version
with dreadnaught

ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.



Tim O'Connor



>I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you
should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a
'patch' side: RC-7201.

>

>Jim Hunter



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Re: Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

Greg Bartek
 

Wow, so many (all) great models. Being from the anthracite region, who did those Lehigh Valley hoppers? Would like details on their construction if possible.

 

Greg Bartek


Re: Ye Old X29

arved_grass
 

Is it safe to assume these didn't venture far from home rails, and would be of little or no interest to a modeler of Southern Pacfiic's Coast Line? Or might an express car have ended up on the Coast Mail in anything resembling a regular basis?

Both cars have the "shadow keystone" logo introduced in 1954. I'm trying to stick to 1953.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/15/15, asychis@aol.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: Ye Old X29
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 3:42 PM

FYI,  The Amarillo Railroad Museum has Red
Caboose X29's with patch
panels both the Merchandise scheme (white banner, 12
numbers) and express
boxcars (six numbers) in the shadow keystone scheme.  www.amarillorailmuseum.com.
 
Jerry Michels


Re: Ye Old X29

arved_grass
 

Bruce showed patches that were both half width (that is, from the end to the door, on both sides of the door) as well as individual panel patches.

Being naiive and unfamiliar with the RC X29 model, and the PRR in general, how did RC patch it? What was usually done?

Yes, I've learned the addage "every modeler ends up being a PRR modeler." I'm just way late to the game on this one.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/15/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Ye Old X29
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 2:48 PM

Jim



True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the
carbody styles and

they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version
with dreadnaught

ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.



Tim O'Connor



>I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you
should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a
'patch' side: RC-7201.

>

>Jim Hunter


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

proto48er
 

Guys -

To further elaborate, the NYC USRA cars that were modified to carry air-activated containers were all from the same lot of USRA steel gons.  The differences were that the cars with provision for 6 containers had different side cutouts that the cars with provision for 5 larger containers. 

All the containers had the same outside diameter, so that, theoretically, any could be hauled by any of the container gons.  The gons were equipped with four curved angle positioning locators on the floor for each container.

The cars equipped to haul 5 containers had a steel floor as-modified for container service.  The 1937-era cars with 6 containers had wood floors, at least for a number of years after they were placed in container service.

OT - I last saw air-activated containers in service in 2002 down here in south Texas - Halliburton had a number of 3-container cars (non-removable air-activated containers) that were in oil well cement service.  Those cars were built in the late 1950's or early 1960's.

Question - How long were the NYC air activated container cars in service?  I think one of the taller containers was on the ground at the AC&F plant in New Jersey about 10 years ago - is it still there?

A. T. Kott


Resin Car Works

Rhbale@...
 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

proto48er
 

Guys -

I think the larger air activated containers were hauled five to a car in the NYC USRA gondolas, while the smaller (ie., shorter in height) air activated containers were hauled six to a car in the same, but differently equipped, NYC gons.  The six smaller-container cars were placed in service in about 1937, while the five larger-container cars were placed in service in about 1945 - this is the car in the "builders photo" that was linked here in a previous post.  The side cutouts on the gondolas, and the spacing of the floor positioning angles were different, depending on whether five or six containers were hauled.  I have never seen a photo of a mix of tall and short containers in the same car - what do you think??

A.T. Kott


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

Todd Horton
 

I uploaded a photo to the files section under my name. The picture shows an NYC and a D&H gon with cement containers. The NYC carried 20,000 lb containers and the D&H carried 22,000 lbs ones.  The containers are listed as being 7’ 6” in diameter so I assume the ones the D&H used were taller than the NYC version.  Both of these are lettered  “ The LCL Corporation”   Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

 

 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

The area of container gons has not been fully explored. There is very poor resolution on many of them, even though most of them appear in ORERs.

In addition to the cylindrical cement containers, and oddball insulated (refrigerated?) containers, there were also the open-topped coke containers, and hatch-topped drop bottom or hopper bottom bulk materials containers, as well as the merchandise (LCL) containers.

Roads that had bulk containers included: B&O, DT&I, Erie, L&N, LV, Monon, NKP, N&W, NYC, P&LE, P&WV, PRR, RDG, and WM. Lots of these were used shipping things like powdered dolomite and other additives for the steel industry or other heavy industries.

I have seen them in photos in many locations all over the country, since they were serving industries in many locations.

The Westerfield PRR containers, and also their Youngstown containers are very nice. They build into very realistic loads. The previously-available Walthers Youngstown containers, and coke containers, and not quite as "fine", but still credible. They are also separate containers, which permits one to set up partial, or badly-loaded loads. At least on the PRR, they had container gons that did not have the truck capacity to carry 80-100 tons of containers, so they blocked portions of the center of the car, to permit no more than nine (+ or -) containers. Those are very interesting cars visually.

Some gons had very serious interior blocking, some had none. Some containers gons were fitted with replacement wire mesh flooring, except over the brake hardware and trucks. I am not aware of any offerings for these in anything but brass.

The NYC had a very large group of interesting container cars I would love to see more research on. You could read and see more on the PRR gons in the PRR gon book.

Elden Gatwood

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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas

If you watch the 1960's movie "In The Heat Of The Night" there is scene
that features a Missouri Pacific train passing overhead and there are three
gondolas filled with containers that look remarkably like the Athearn "box"
style containers. The other cars in the train are covered hoppers so I'm
going to guess this train is moving cement cars. (It was filmed in Illinois.)

But I agree with Ben there were some insulated/LCL containers that also had
a similar appearance to the boxy Athearn containers. MP operated a number of
different kinds of bulk and LCL containers.

I've only ever seen the cylindrical containers in LV gondolas. I bought decals
for them from someone here years ago -- although the name escapes me now. The
gondolas can be "stood in" by modifying the Athearn gondola to remove the deep
fishbelly, cutting holes in the side, and putting steel braces on the floor and
top chord to hold the containers in place. You can detail the containers to
greatly improve their appearance, especially the lifting lugs.

Tim O'Connor

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

Tom Madden
 

Everything is ready except the instructions. Bill Darnaby wrote them as he assembled the two pilot models, but when he saw the instruction sheets at Cocoa Beach after a few weeks away from them he admitted even he'd have problems following them. I understand a few more photos will be added.


There are three domes, which Frank has labeled Hooker, Consolidated and Monsanto. I put examples of all three with Bill's display, and the one in Gary's photo is the Monsanto. It's a one-piece casting.


Frank has a lot of projects in mind, and the idea is to keep them all in production so as to forestall speculators. They might not all be in stock at all times (after the initial surge), but a list price of $64 is a powerful incentive to meet the demand.


Tom Madden 


Re: [EXTERNAL] (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

genegreen1942@...
 

Good to know, Bruce.  Smaller quantities of various materials for a foundry might well be a possibility.  Among the rail served businesses Marshalltown was Lennox which include foundry type parts in the furnaces but those parts may have been made for Lennox by one of two foundries in Marshalltown.  There was also the Alligator Wrench company and, of course, Marshalltown Trowel.  This container business may work for me after all.

Gene Green


Re: Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

Tony Thompson
 

    Is "Resin Car Works" up and running yet?  As these will be outstanding models I sure don't want to miss any.

      Not quite. I am sure Frank Hodina will post an announcement to this list when he is ready to accept orders.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Digest Number 9247

Jedalberg
 

The four roads that had the cylindrical cement containers were the DL&W, LV, D&H and NYC. That was it--but---as with almost anything in this hobby, never use absolutes---to my knowledge there weren't any other railroads that had them (including the CNJ, which did not--lots of covered hoppers in the service, though). Most cars in this service were converted from gondolas--of various sizes, although there were a few purpose built cars--DL&W, D&H and I think, a few NYC ones. All of the LV's 100 cars were converted from gons--I have a few good photos ,i.e. interiors etc, of these cars that I got from an old friend nearly 40 years ago. Lots of interesting bracing.
Most of the cement business--from the Lehigh Valley area at least--covered hoppers, as well as boxcar(bagged) and the container cars, went to the NY area construction market which was booming in the '50's and '60s.
The idea of the container cars was for the ultimate customer to load this 10k gizmo on a truck where it would be unloaded on-site. How much of this actually occurred, I don't know--someone out there does or has an opinion!
I think most of the cement was unloaded at the rail site into the local trucks for movement to the construction sites, although there are a few photos of a bunch of the containers loaded on a barge. They were loaded/unloaded with air pressure--the reason for the holes in the car sides was to be able to hook up the air hoses to the bottoms of the containers..
In the late '50s the PUC's permitted the large cement trucks , and they quickly ate the railroad's lunch with this business: a round trip from the LV area to the NY area each day--- you can quickly do the math-- a trip a day versus a probably 10 day t/a for the railroad car--if you're lucky--.
For example the LNE was making money on the business in the late '50's (their anthracite business has already almost totally tanked), but the company (LC&N) could read the handwriting and exited the railroad business in '61.
Model-wise,the Athearn containers are a bit undersized, but I have had many in service for many years-- but not in Athearn gons.! Replace the cast on lifts with wire, paint and decal and weather, and you're in business.
Jim Dalberg

gondolas

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Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960. Group





15 Messages

Digest #9247









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Re: Quicken Loans box car by "Dave Nelson" lake_muskoka@att.net







2a

Re: Bozos and Athearn container gondolas by "Mike Brock" mb8444





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Re: Bozos and Athearn container gondolas by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250







3a

Couplers for sale by roblmclear





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Re: Couplers for sale by roblmclear







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Re: Athearn container gondolas by "Todd Horton" toddchorton@rocketmail.com





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Re: Athearn container gondolas by "Schuyler Larrabee" angus502001





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Re: Athearn container gondolas by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250





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Re: Athearn container gondolas by "Brian J Carlson" prrk41361





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Re: Athearn container gondolas by "Jeffrey White" SPD120







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Cement container was: Re: More tank car number series help by rockroll50401







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Re: Bobs photos by "Andy Harman"





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Re: Bobs photos by "Andy Harman"





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Re: Bobs photos by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250







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Re: Photo technology by "Andy Harman"












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Re: Quicken Loans box car





Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:51 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Dave Nelson" lake_muskoka@att.net




95 year old freight cars… rotting in the sun.

Must be a railroad museum.

Dave Nelson

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Fillmore & Western in California. It is one of several preserved Western Pacific channel side DS box cars. All of the WP cars had steel end replacements; earlier ones were corrugated, later ones were inverted-reversed??? early Dreadnaught. Our own Garth Groff has a nice Sacramento Northern web site which has a page devoted to the WP cars sold to the SN, plus the same cars SN had new, which never had steel end replacements. 2 cars at Fillmore, one of each steel end variety, plus one at Niles Canyon and several which are scattered around the state in private hands.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA










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Re: Bozos and Athearn container gondolas





Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:36 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Mike Brock" mb8444





Ben Hom notes about the Athearn gon:

"This is the model that spurred the formation of the STMFC group when
Richard Hendrickson stated on the now defunct Freight Car List that the
target audience for this model was "toy train bozos", a characterization
some members took as a green light to start a flame war."

And established a rule in the new STMFC that Richard...and only
Richard...was allowed to refer to anyone as a Bozo. As far as I know, I
think I escaped such recognition...but only barely.

Speaking of the Athearn gon, I used two to build an ATSF GA-55 65' [?] gon
which still wanders around my layout.

Mike Brock










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Re: Bozos and Athearn container gondolas





Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:12 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Connor" cf5250




Mike

I have to question this version of events. Hey, you brought it up! :-)

I saved a LOT of the flaming emails from 1996 onwards and let me remind
you, the flames went back and forth between a LOT of people over a period
that spanned at least 5 years! I think it was the fact that many of us
were tired of being (temporarily or permanently) ejected from the FCL
(which I had started) that you were motivated to create the STMFC on the
Yahoo web site. (I think the Yahoo groups were a relatively new thing then.)

On the other hand, I do occasionally enjoy going back and re-reading some
of those flames, asides, apologies, etc. Some of the insults and conversations
were damn fine literature!

Tim O'Connor

Ben Hom notes about the Athearn gon:

"This is the model that spurred the formation of the STMFC group when
Richard Hendrickson stated on the now defunct Freight Car List that the
target audience for this model was "toy train bozos", a characterization
some members took as a green light to start a flame war."

And established a rule in the new STMFC that Richard...and only
Richard...was allowed to refer to anyone as a Bozo. As far as I know, I
think I escaped such recognition...but only barely.

Speaking of the Athearn gon, I used two to build an ATSF GA-55 65' [?] gon
which still wanders around my layout.

Mike Brock









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Couplers for sale





Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:40 pm (PST) . Posted by:

roblmclear




Hello to all.


After having started to convert my cars over to Sergent couplers I have the following Kadee couplers for sale. Unfortunately there are no boxes with these so I have priced them with reference to what Kadee charges for bulk packs. There are springs with the number 5's for the boxes and I have included some small springs for the couplers in each pack.


Number 5 standard couplers with springs, no boxes. Have 32 looking for $25


Number 158 which are the scale head whisker couplers medium shank, no boxes. Have 108 asking $80


Number 153 which are the scale head whisker couplers with the short shank. Have 34 asking $40


You can get me on my email at rob.mclear3@bigpond.com mailto:rob.mclear3@bigpond.com sorry for the cross postings if you are getting this more than once. Also moderators if this is not allowed on this list please delete.


Regards
Rob McLear

Australia.













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Re: Couplers for sale





Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:10 pm (PST) . Posted by:

roblmclear




All the couplers except the No 5's have been sold.

Regards
Rob McLear.









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Re: Athearn container gondolas





Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:03 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Todd Horton" toddchorton@rocketmail.com




I've wondered if the cylindrical contains were built by one company and
several railroads purchased them for use in cement service? I know the NYC
and the LV had them, I seem to recall CNJ as well? Todd Horton

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:42 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas

If you watch the 1960's movie "In The Heat Of The Night" there is scene
that features a Missouri Pacific train passing overhead and there are three
gondolas filled with containers that look remarkably like the Athearn "box"
style containers. The other cars in the train are covered hoppers so I'm
going to guess this train is moving cement cars. (It was filmed in
Illinois.)

But I agree with Ben there were some insulated/LCL containers that also had
a similar appearance to the boxy Athearn containers. MP operated a number of
different kinds of bulk and LCL containers.

I've only ever seen the cylindrical containers in LV gondolas. I bought
decals
for them from someone here years ago -- although the name escapes me now.
The
gondolas can be "stood in" by modifying the Athearn gondola to remove the
deep
fishbelly, cutting holes in the side, and putting steel braces on the floor
and
top chord to hold the containers in place. You can detail the containers to
greatly improve their appearance, especially the lifting lugs.

Tim O'Connor










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Re: Athearn container gondolas





Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:24 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Schuyler Larrabee" angus502001




Plus Lackawanna and D&H.

Schuyler

I've wondered if the cylindrical contains were built by one company and
several railroads purchased them for use in cement service? I know the NYC
and the LV had them, I seem to recall CNJ as well? Todd Horton

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:42 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas

If you watch the 1960's movie "In The Heat Of The Night" there is scene
that features a Missouri Pacific train passing overhead and there are three
gondolas filled with containers that look remarkably like the Athearn "box"
style containers. The other cars in the train are covered hoppers so I'm
going to guess this train is moving cement cars. (It was filmed in
Illinois.)

But I agree with Ben there were some insulated/LCL containers that also had
a similar appearance to the boxy Athearn containers. MP operated a number of
different kinds of bulk and LCL containers.

I've only ever seen the cylindrical containers in LV gondolas. I bought
decals
for them from someone here years ago -- although the name escapes me now.
The
gondolas can be "stood in" by modifying the Athearn gondola to remove the
deep
fishbelly, cutting holes in the side, and putting steel braces on the floor
and
top chord to hold the containers in place. You can detail the containers to
greatly improve their appearance, especially the lifting lugs.

Tim O'Connor










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Re: Athearn container gondolas





Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:36 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Connor" cf5250





I vaguely recall that the origin of those containers were the massive
construction projects in New York by Robert Moses, which used an ocean
of cement. So it makes sense that all of the "anthracite" railroads
that served the New York City area, and upstate, had them.

The PRR also had containers but theirs was a boxy design, which is still
available I think from Westerfield. I've seen 1960's photos of the PRR
containers still in use -- but not in Iowa, Gene! :-)

Tim O'Connor

Plus Lackawanna and D&H.
Schuyler
I�ve wondered if the cylindrical contains were built by one company and several railroads purchased them for use in cement service? I know the NYC and the LV had them, I seem to recall CNJ as well? Todd Horton

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas




If you watch the 1960's movie "In The Heat Of The Night" there is scene
that features a Missouri Pacific train passing overhead and there are three
gondolas filled with containers that look remarkably like the Athearn "box"
style containers. The other cars in the train are covered hoppers so I'm
going to guess this train is moving cement cars. (It was filmed in Illinois.)

But I agree with Ben there were some insulated/LCL containers that also had
a similar appearance to the boxy Athearn containers. MP operated a number of
different kinds of bulk and LCL containers.

I've only ever seen the cylindrical containers in LV gondolas. I bought decals
for them from someone here years ago -- although the name escapes me now. The
gondolas can be "stood in" by modifying the Athearn gondola to remove the deep
fishbelly, cutting holes in the side, and putting steel braces on the floor and
top chord to hold the containers in place. You can detail the containers to
greatly improve their appearance, especially the lifting lugs.

Tim O'Connor








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Re: Athearn container gondolas





Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:10 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Brian J Carlson" prrk41361




The air activated containers were developed by MDT (The LCL Corporation) in
the 1930's. Much of the cement headed to NYC. The DL&W, D&H, LV and NYC had
them. a hobby shop in Allentown made the correct decals for them in the 90's
not sure if they are around now. Not everything is on the internet, but if
anyone has Morning Sun's Erie/DL&W Rolling Stock Color Guide, see pages
96-97 for more information. Not the containers were numbered like freight
cars and other rolling stock. DL&W's were 23000-23684. The DL&W at one point
had 90 gondolas converted, most carried 5 containers each.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

Brian carlson

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas

I've wondered if the cylindrical contains were built by one company and
several railroads purchased them for use in cement service? I know the NYC
and the LV had them, I seem to recall CNJ as well? Todd Horton










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Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:13 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Jeffrey White" SPD120




The 1955 IC Freight Car Diagram book shows 24 low side (3 1/2' sides)
steel gons modified for containers.

The 1960 Equipment List shows 37 steel gons with 5 foot sides equipped
to carry calcium carbide in containers. AAR designation LG inside length
37'8" capacity 1672 cu ft, 140,000 pounds.

Somewhere I have a photo of one of the low side gons.

Jeff White
Alma, IL










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Cement container was: Re: More tank car number series help





Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:18 pm (PST) . Posted by:

rockroll50401




So - bottom line - still looking for an excuse, er reason, to use cement containters in central Iowa in 1950.
Gene Green

Forget it Gene – Think box cars ; ))
I was told by a guy that sealed cars they would ship 100 box cars a day in summer.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa








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Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:06 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Andy Harman"




Missed Cocoa Beach this year for the first time in 15 years. I am once
again self employed after 12+ years at a pretty nice job with benefits. I
could have made the trip but the focus now needs to be on building my new
business and working on my contacts. I have some great relationships with
some very smart people and I've spent 2015 so far doing a lot of
communicating, and building models late night on the bench.

As far as Bob's photos, one thing I fail to do pretty much at every show is
prepare myself for the photo vendors. I end up just randomly browsing and
buying stuff that catches my eye or is appropriate, but I have a bad habit
of buying duplicates because the pics I bought last year are still in the
bag. I started to work on that by going through my prints and organizing
them by road into folders, and I had a few dupes but not as many as I
feared. When I go to a show - probably Marion next - which I missed in
2014 due to an unscheduled trip to Pluto - I need to have some idea what
I'm looking for, because I simply don't have the time to go through every
bin. Just an example... L&N freight cars. They fit my era and location -
Monon as well - but I rarely think about them when I'm digging through the
N&W and Wabash stuff.

Andy










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Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:17 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Andy Harman"




At 05:15 PM 1/13/2015 -0800, you wrote:
use the services of others for all printing. As I have found myself of
late it is also becoming more and
more difficult to purchase decent black & white photographic printing
paper and chemicals. Once
they have been found the price is often prohibitive as well. Whatever
happened to American
opportunity and competition? It is even effecting the STMFC hobby field.
I had a small but very functional purpose built darkroom at my old
house. 5x8' with a counter top, double sink, ventilation, the
works. Going in there was like going into a casino. No clocks - time
would go by. More than once I went in after dinner, and when I came out
the sun was coming up. Alas when I moved in 2003, I dismantled it and my
equipment is in storage. But I still have it. I could probably set up a
usable darkroom in my basement on a temporary basis, but there is that
question of paper and chemistry. I haven't gone shopping for it since the
90s. I even have undeveloped B&W film from the 90s that I really need to
get done - I never let anybody else develop my B&W film. At least if I get
the negs, I can scan them which is what I've been slowly doing with my
slide collection.

I loved darkroom work. I grew up with it - there was a time when a home
darkroom wasn't all that unusual, and the corner drugstore sold some basic
chemicals and supplies. I probably made my first prints when I was 5 or
6. But it is very time consuming. I've never been much into art printing
- most of my subjects were railroad and family, and I was only concerned
with getting a good print, not doing 4 hours worth of dodge-burn on a
single print. Even so, in a session I might produce 50, 60 8x10 prints and
I'd emerge with a stiff neck and blurry vision. I can't imagine what it's
like to do that on a "production" basis.

Funny - I was showing Annette my Leicas tonight. We were watching a TV
show where a woman was taking pictures in 1953, and she had a correct prop
- a Leica screwmount with a collapsible lens. Unfortunately she was taking
all her pictures with the lens in collapsed position. Ask me how I know
that doesn't work.... I got out my 1957 M3 w/collapsible, and my 2000
M6. A part of me says I should sell them and get some decent money,
another part of me wants to go buy some TMX and just go drive out in the
country somewhere and shoot a roll like I used to do 20 years ago.

Andy










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Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Connor" cf5250




Andy

Fortunately it's no longer necessary to make lists. Simply dump the
entire photo collection (assuming you scan everything you buy) onto a
pad computer and carry that computer with you. When you find a print,
search the index... voila! The pad will pay for itself in prevented
duplicates, and foobie-prevention.

Tim O'

As far as Bob's photos, one thing I fail to do pretty much at every show is
prepare myself for the photo vendors. I end up just randomly browsing and
buying stuff that catches my eye or is appropriate, but I have a bad habit
of buying duplicates because the pics I bought last year are still in the
bag. I started to work on that by going through my prints and organizing
them by road into folders, and I had a few dupes but not as many as I
feared. When I go to a show - probably Marion next - which I missed in
2014 due to an unscheduled trip to Pluto - I need to have some idea what
I'm looking for, because I simply don't have the time to go through every
bin. Just an example... L&N freight cars. They fit my era and location -
Monon as well - but I rarely think about them when I'm digging through the
N&W and Wabash stuff.

Andy









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Re: Photo technology





Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:19 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Andy Harman"




At 11:33 PM 1/13/2015 -0500, you wrote:

Ilford is still committed to the silver halide technology and I use them
exclusively, and so do other photo dealers. If Ilford gives up there will
always be Chinese-made paper, though how good their product is, remains to
be seen.
Nice to know Ilford is still around. Can you still get Dektol? Or Kodafix?

I have a couple bottles of Rodinal - which was my preferred developer for
Kodak TMX film, which was my preferred film for daylight B&W
photography. I wonder if it's still good? Ultra concentrated. Not sure
if it's still available or not.

Andy










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Bill Welch
 

Anything Peter Aue does will be accurate, fine, and gorgeous IMO and experience.

Bill Welch


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No I cannot do so until after Lisle. I don't want to undermine that event which is why I don't make it generally available.

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On 1/15/2015 1:40 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] wrote:
That said, the caption does not indicate that Frank Hodina is actually the man behind Resin Car Works, but it does say that the tank cars were brought by Bill Darnaby.


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Bruce Smith
 

Hey Dennis,

I think about tanks… you know… 3” or more.  So 1/2”… that seems pretty thin to me <VBG>!  X29 patch panels do have an obvious step and weld fillet (not weld bead) with the original side plates.

Regards

Bruce


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Auburn, AL

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On Jan 15, 2015, at 3:38 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:






---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :
"Semantically speaking, they don’t have to be any particular thickness.  However, to be prototypic thickness they would need to be around 0.009” for 3/4” plate and 0.006” for 1/2” plate steel."

1/2" plate... 3/4" plate? Seriously? It always amazes me, for as picky as the RPM guys claim to be, how clueless they are about material sizes. Most prototype steel boxcars were sheathed with 10 ga. steel, which, at about .135" thick, is just a bit thicker than 1/8". This would properly represented in HO by material .002" thick... yeah, heavy foil. Even if one wanted to bump the thickness up a bit so it doesn't get buried in paint, .003 or .004 would be about the max.

That's not saying that Pierre's product won't be that thickness, as I believe Peter has done some etching work with .005" stock. Pierre?

Dennis Storzek 



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