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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Don Burn
 

Charlie,

The publisher still has them order direct http://rpcycpub.com/ You
could suggest they modify their reprint policy at the same time.
Personally, I would love to see some of the series articles, updated and
published as standalone volumes.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

All-

The price for books, magazines, drawings, photographs, and railroad
artifacts have, in many cases, become ridiculous.

There is no question that authors are entitled to their copyright protection
and people are entitled to be compensated for their investment, but the
escalation in prices for many items is beyond reason.

I am interested in the information, not the physical item. I don't mind
paying a little premium to obtain an item missing from my reference library
but will not pay 10X the original cost.

Which reminds me that, having missed the preorder for RPC 26, and not living
near a LHS where I can buy it, I have to send in my check before it becomes
a collector's item!!!

Charlie Vlk





Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler

I agree. Not having the information available, and having to pay a premium
price for a book because it is simply not reprinted is sad.

Jerry Michels










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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

The price for books, magazines, drawings, photographs, and railroad
artifacts have, in many cases, become ridiculous.

There is no question that authors are entitled to their copyright protection
and people are entitled to be compensated for their investment, but the
escalation in prices for many items is beyond reason.

I am interested in the information, not the physical item. I don't mind
paying a little premium to obtain an item missing from my reference library
but will not pay 10X the original cost.

Which reminds me that, having missed the preorder for RPC 26, and not living
near a LHS where I can buy it, I have to send in my check before it becomes
a collector's item!!!

Charlie Vlk





Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler

I agree. Not having the information available, and having to pay a
premium price for a book because it is simply not reprinted is sad.

Jerry Michels

Re: Red Caboose HO 38545-03 1937 AAR Double Door Box Car, Southern Pacific (Sans Serif) #63971

Tim O'Connor
 

The RC carbody also is 6" too short in height, since it represents a 10'0" IH box car. The SP prewar 40ft auto box
was the A-50-13. I think the A-50-16 was a postwar design, and can be modeled more easily (accurately) using a
C&BT kit. The two RC kits (sq corner and rd corner) for double door cars represent SOO and SAL prototypes , and
that is all.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>

Most obvious problem with the model car body is door width (the Red Caboose doors are too narrow by a foot). The large block lettering of the road name was introduced in the fall of 1955, so would definitely have to be replaced for your era. As SP, the roof and ends would be BCR. The side sill should be straight along the entire car length (this is easy to do with a strip of scale 1 x 6-inch styrene overlay), but IIRC the Red Caboose car already has this. If you like, I can send you a prototype photo off-list of one of these cars as it would be in 1946.

Tony Thompson

Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

asychis@...
 

Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler


I agree. Not having the information available, and having to pay a
premium price for a book because it is simply not reprinted is sad.

Jerry Michels

Re: The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2013

Bruce Smith
 

Tyrone,

I'll claim it was a typo <G>. Yes, the eave height was 12' something, not 10' something...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On May 13, 2013, at 7:17 AM, aaejj2j wrote:

I think there is an error or I am confused regarding dimenisions in the Bruce Smith article on the FGE wood reefers. I believe the ORERS list the rail to eve height for the cars as 12-1 for the early (1921-2) and 12-8 for the later (1927-8) and 12-11 for the late 1940 rebuilds in lieu of the article stated 10-1 (or 10-2)and 10-8; all give or take an inch. Perhaps this is just a typo of 10ft versus 12 ft or am I missing something?
Fine magazine and articles worthy of a railroad which was the "standard of the world" (even if it was self proclaimed).
Thanks,
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

The Spring 2013 issue of The Keystone Modeler is available for download at
http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm
featuring the following articles"
-Â â?oAs-Builtâ?ˇ BLI T1 Duplex Review (Tim Garner)
- Enhancing BLI I1SA Decapods (Barry Yankolonis)
- FGE 1921-22 Wood Reefer (Bruce Smith)

Ben Hom



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Re: The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2013

aaejj2j
 

I think there is an error or I am confused regarding dimenisions in the Bruce Smith article on the FGE wood reefers. I believe the ORERS list the rail to eve height for the cars as 12-1 for the early (1921-2) and 12-8 for the later (1927-8) and 12-11 for the late 1940 rebuilds in lieu of the article stated 10-1 (or 10-2)and 10-8; all give or take an inch. Perhaps this is just a typo of 10ft versus 12 ft or am I missing something?
Fine magazine and articles worthy of a railroad which was the "standard of the world" (even if it was self proclaimed).
Thanks,
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

The Spring 2013 issue of The Keystone Modeler is available for download at
http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm
featuring the following articles"
- “As-Built� BLI T1 Duplex Review (Tim Garner)
- Enhancing BLI I1SA Decapods (Barry Yankolonis)
- FGE 1921-22 Wood Reefer (Bruce Smith)

Ben Hom

Re: Red Caboose HO 38545-03 1937 AAR Double Door Box Car, Southern Pacific (Sans Serif) #63971

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Was looking at possible modelling projects and came across the above described model. I see it was discussed a little bit previously back in 2003 (messages 18528, 18532, 18544), but what was said there left me thinking the model isn’t too bad – but needs some unidentified upgrades. Yes, I also see the re is a Sunshine kit, but was wanting to see what could be made of the Red Caboose car. So, some basic questions:
- are any of the paint and lettering schemes for any railroad accurate (and useful for my era in 1946)?
- is the SP paint and lettering suitable for my 1946 model era? The large Southern Pacific to the right of the doors strikes me as a possibly later style.
- roof and end colour should be?
- door width and door design?
- side sill tab changes?
Most obvious problem with the model car body is door width (the Red Caboose doors are too narrow by a foot). The large block lettering of the road name was introduced in the fall of 1955, so would definitely have to be replaced for your era. As SP, the roof and ends would be BCR. The side sill should be straight along the entire car length (this is easy to do with a strip of scale 1 x 6-inch styrene overlay), but IIRC the Red Caboose car already has this. If you like, I can send you a prototype photo off-list of one of these cars as it would be in 1946.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Red Caboose HO 38545-03 1937 AAR Double Door Box Car, Southern Pacific (Sans Serif) #63971

Robert kirkham
 

Was looking at possible modelling projects and came across the above described model. I see it was discussed a little bit previously back in 2003 (messages 18528, 18532, 18544), but what was said there left me thinking the model isn’t too bad – but needs some unidentified upgrades. Yes, I also see the re is a Sunshine kit, but was wanting to see what could be made of the Red Caboose car. So, some basic questions:
- are any of the paint and lettering schemes for any railroad accurate (and useful for my era in 1946)?
- is the SP paint and lettering suitable for my 1946 model era? The large Southern Pacific to the right of the doors strikes me as a possibly later style.
- roof and end colour should be?
- door width and door design?
- side sill tab changes?

Anything else obvious?

Rob Kirkham

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Re: Rail Prototype Cyclopedias for sale

Ed
 

Tom,

How much are you asking for each?

Ed Robinson

--- In STMFC@..., tchenoweth@... wrote:

Over a month ago I wrote this group and told you that I had volumes 1, 2,
3, 4, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18. Tom Chenoweth tchenoweth@...

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Re: [BRHSlist] 1940'S FRIENDSHIP BOX CAR

Steven D Johnson
 

L&N also contributed a specially-painted boxcar to the "Friendship Train."
It was L&N No. 16576, built by Mt. Vernon Car Mfg. Co. in 1947.



Steve Johnson





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 1:36 PM
To: STMFC@...; BRHSlist@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: [BRHSlist] 1940'S FRIENDSHIP BOX CAR





The first train was in 1947 and was simply the "Friendship Train". It
started from Los Angeles on Nov. 7, 1947. There were at least two box cars
specially painted for the train (one NYC 15147) and a Pullman or two. MTH
did two cars as SP 98014 and SP 97894 that look like the second car in the
photo that the NYC car appears in but the roadname and number are not
identifiable.

The Abraham Lincoln Friendship Train departed from Lincoln, NEB on Feb. 12,
1948.

The Merci cars were in response to these (and presumably other) relief
efforts sponsored by organizations other than the federal government.

Charlie Vlk

Not sure if Charlie is referring the the French Merci Train

Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Having seen a copy of the Mainline Modeller article, the BREX car shown is
from the group 300-325 which only had the standard doors, not the express
reefers 326-329 with the extra cream compartment.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Rupert & Maureen [mailto:gamlenz@...]
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013 12:16 p.m.
To: 'STMFC@...'
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

During a previous discussion of these cars, it was stated that there was
"something" about them in Mainline Modeller of February 1987. Would anyone
have this issue?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Douglas Harding
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013 10:38 a.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

Ed according some postings on the BRHS list three years ago the doors are
"cream compartments"

some comments on canopy glue

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

After reading the recent thread on this glue, one I've used successfully and liked for many years, I decided to write a blog post about it, with some information on brands and usage. If you're interested, here is the link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-few-words-in-praise-of-canopy-glue.html

Some may also be interested in the completion of my project to model PFE cars with W-corner-post ends, something not available commercially. Here is the link to that post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/05/upgrading-old-models-athearn-reefers_9.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

STMFC] #1 Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Andy Carlson
 

I have a new, still in the clear plastic sheath, RyPC #1.

Asking $29.00 includes shipping.

If interested, contact me off-list <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: [BRHSlist] 1940'S FRIENDSHIP BOX CAR

Charlie Vlk
 

The first train was in 1947 and was simply the "Friendship Train". It
started from Los Angeles on Nov. 7, 1947. There were at least two box cars
specially painted for the train (one NYC 15147) and a Pullman or two. MTH
did two cars as SP 98014 and SP 97894 that look like the second car in the
photo that the NYC car appears in but the roadname and number are not
identifiable.

The Abraham Lincoln Friendship Train departed from Lincoln, NEB on Feb. 12,
1948.

The Merci cars were in response to these (and presumably other) relief
efforts sponsored by organizations other than the federal government.

Charlie Vlk





Not sure if Charlie is referring the the French Merci Train

Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I submit both, because I dropped out of an eBay auction for Volume 1-3 at
$120 and the final bid was $180. RPC's are considered

THE definitive reference source by many prototype modelers. Still looking
for Volume 3 at a price I'm willing to pay.



Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Schuyler.larrabee
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's







From: STMFCOn Behalf Of Jack Wyatt

Fellas,

With the recent posts on these, I thought I would again mention that I am
seeking issue #20....
Aren't we all <G> ! Well, many of us.

I wish the publisher would make an exception and reprint that one, but that
would not be fair to those who are sitting one a copy that could fetch a
couple
of hundred bucks.

Jack Wyatt

Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler

Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Schuyler Larrabee
 

From: STMFCOn Behalf Of Jack Wyatt




Fellas,

With the recent posts on these, I thought I would again mention that I am
seeking issue #20....
Aren't we all <G> ! Well, many of us.

I wish the publisher would make an exception and reprint that one, but that
would not be fair to those who are sitting one a copy that could fetch a couple
of hundred bucks.

Jack Wyatt

Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler

Re: [BRHSlist] 1940'S FRIENDSHIP BOX CAR

Rod Miller
 

On 5/10/13 7:57 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:
There were TWO "Friendship" trains. The one the Q painted up the XM for was
the Abraham Lincoln Friendship Train. There was an earlier one that ran coast
to coast MTH has done a car in O tinplate and I did art for DeLuxe
Innovations to do on their XM32 in N Scale. I don't know if its ever been
done in HO I have some material from online sources on both trains. There
were some other special paint cars but good pictures are elusive I am going
to cc this post to the Steam Era Freight Car List to see if anyone there has
any additional information Charlie Vlk
Not sure if Charlie is referring the the French Merci Train

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merci_Train

when he notes a train that ran coast to coast.

Photos on the above site show buffers; other possible
incompatibilities such as brake systems may have prevented
the cars operating in a train on U.S. rails. Perhaps
someone else here can provide more information.

I always thought Sunset/MTH/Lionel have missed the boat on
this one, since collectors would have to buy all 48 cars to
have a complete collection.

Rod

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Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

Bill Welch
 

That MM caption is in error in that the BREX express reefers used something called a "bi-forcated" end. The drawing I have of this end is for the 40-ft BRE steel reefers built in 1937 at Plattsmouth. There were 270 cars in the BREX 74730-74999 series. The end on this series featured two panels, each with four ribs, but when the cars were retro-fitted with fans, the lowest rib of the lower section was cut out and a section of plate steel was welded in its place. I have several photos that document this change. If anyone has any idea why this was done, please speak up.

The ends on the two-door express cars used the same rib configuration as the 40-ft cars, but on the ends of the 4-door cars the lowest rib is missing and there is a flat area as part of the stamping meaning the ends look like those on the 40-ft cars after they were fitted with fans.

The only photo I have other than a builders photo show one of the 4-dr express reefers in a B&O train. The angle of the photo makes it impossible to know which end is visible, but the second door is on the left end of the side.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

On page 44 there is a cropped 1 5/16� x 2 1/4� photo of the “B� end that just includes enough of the side to show the full letters RE and a partial F with the text noting that only reverse Dreadnaught ends the author has seen was in a picture of Burlington express reefer shown in the 1943 Car Cyclopedia and that 29 of the fifty food cars were in service in 1949.

gary laakso


From: Rupert & Maureen
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars


During a previous discussion of these cars, it was stated that there was
"something" about them in Mainline Modeller of February 1987. Would anyone
have this issue?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Douglas Harding
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013 10:38 a.m.
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

Ed according some postings on the BRHS list three years ago the doors are
"cream compartments"





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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

C J Wyatt
 

<<
Fellas,

With the recent posts on these, I thought I would again mention that I am
seeking issue #20....
Aren't we all <G> ! Well, many of us.

I wish the publisher would make an exception and reprint that one, but that
would not be fair to those who are sitting one a copy that could fetch a couple
of hundred bucks.

Jack Wyatt

Espee Models HO Scale F-70-7 Bulkhead Flat Order Form (1956 Version)

Benjamin Hom
 

The Southern Pacific Historical and Technical Society doing a run of the Espee Models HO scale Class F-70-7 bulkhead flatcar. Flyer for the 1956 version has been uploaded to the group files section.

Ben Hom