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Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Clark Propst
 

Clark’s title: “Here, Take This”

Current title: “Propst: Turning a Sow’s Ear into a Silk Purse”

Perhaps I’ll re-title it “Propst: Turning Lemons into Lemonade”.

Hmm…

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 
 
I’ll tell you what has me befuddled. Why all the gibberish added to emails sent to this group?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Two "Redwood Empire Route Overnight" boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

Gary Laakso wrote:

 
It has the diamond placards on the door, under the “PIR” letters (of the word EMPIRE) and another diamond placard is on the end tack board.  I may need to pay more attention but I have only seen these types of placards on tank cars.

      The placards were entirely appropriate for box or other cars carrying placarded cargo, and there are a number of photos out there of these placards in fact on box cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Two "Redwood Empire Route Overnight" boxcars

gary laakso
 

It has the diamond placards on the door, under the “PIR” letters (of the word EMPIRE) and another diamond placard is on the end tack board.  I may need to pay more attention but I have only seen these types of placards on tank cars.
 
Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Two "Redwood Empire Route Overnight" boxcars
 
 

A couple of boxcar photos of interest to NWP fans:
NWP 1906 http://www.ebay.com/itm/FF343-RP-1940s-NORTHWESTERN-PACIFIC-RR-WOOD-BOXCAR-1906-REDWOOD-EMPIRE-ROUTE-/400816129705?pt=Postcards_US&hash=item5d5280c6a9 
 

These are among only a handful of STMFC photos available from ebay seller "dfwu" -- most of his 9,492 photos are steam, traction, and early diesels.  Although the URL says "Postcards," both are clarified as being "real photos."
 
Dave Sieber, Reno NV
 
 


Two "Redwood Empire Route Overnight" boxcars

David Sieber
 

 A couple of boxcar photos of interest to NWP fans:
NWP 1906 http://www.ebay.com/itm/FF343-RP-1940s-NORTHWESTERN-PACIFIC-RR-WOOD-BOXCAR-1906-REDWOOD-EMPIRE-ROUTE-/400816129705?pt=Postcards_US&hash=item5d5280c6a9 
 

These are among only a handful of STMFC photos available from ebay seller "dfwu" -- most of his 9,492 photos are steam, traction, and early diesels.  Although the URL says "Postcards," both are clarified as being "real photos."
 
Dave Sieber, Reno NV
 
 


Re: Car weight question

genegreen1942@...
 

I recall Wayne Schubert, last Asst. Supt. of C&NW's Clinton Car Shops, telling me that changing a truck could mean as much as 1 ton difference in car's weight.  He went on to explain that a considerable portion of the weight change could be from the type of wheels.
Gene Green


Re: Car weight question

Richard Townsend
 

I just happened to be looking at a freight car diagram for a series of cars built with three different trucks.  The weight of the trucks are given as follows:
 
Double truss with spring planks 16,280 #
National "B" no spring plank 15,480 #
Double truss, self-aligning, no spring plank 15,700 #
 
Not the trucks you're looking for, but it shows the magnitude of weight differences.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sat, Dec 6, 2014 6:58 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Car weight question

 
I'm looking at a certain class of boxcar that was built with 3 different
styles of trucks through it's series. ASF A-3, Sullin and Buckeye trucks.
Would there have been enough difference in the weight of the different
trucks to have the different build orders show different "Light weight"
stencils on the cars? Pierre Oliver

 
To me, Pierre wins the rivet counting award of the month  ;  )) The Brass Rivet trophy.
I have copies of car cards with their reweighs, places and dates. Don’t think I’ve ever matched them where going a model. Never even thought of it, but Pierre did!
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Douglas Harding
 

I have seen many of Bill Schaumburg’s clinics over the years, as I often has assisted him with PowerPoint or computer. His custom has become opening with a bottle of wine and Ghirardelli Chocolates. He pours himself a nice glass and samples the wine, then passes out paper or plastic cups to all who wish to share. He also passes around the bags of chocolates. He then proceeds to give his clinic while consuming the glass of wine. It matters not the time of day, 9am or 9pm, the animations are the same wine or no wine.

 

I am not sure anyone could duplicate a Schaumburg clinic, they are a sight, no make that an event, to behold and experience. Oh and sometimes even the content on the screen is worth staying for.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Charles Hladik
 

Well Fenton can bring it to Fredericksburg on Jan 10th for the James River Division meeting.
Chuck Hladik
 

In a message dated 12/6/2014 1:23:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Fenton needs to bring that clinic to Fredericksburg for the MARPM! Or maybe he did...I had the flu at the last minute and missed it. :-(

Sent from Dave Bott's iPad

On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:30 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Fenton,

               I really believe that you MUST attend the clinics on “SRR Early Pulpwood Cars”.  The clinic is a brief history of the pulpwood industry (1930's through the 1950's), the cars used to transport it, and how to model them.  It even includes a section on operations - how a modeler might model the pick-up and loading of the cars and the industries that they were delivered to.  Photos and drawings of the prototype and finished models are shown as well.

               In fact, I think you must attend both showings of this clinic – you’re the presenter!

Regards,

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

P.S. I’ll try to get the descriptions of ALL of the clinics to our webmaster so everyone can see what we have lined up.  Keep an eye on www.prototyperails.com for updates.

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

More shameless promotion, can it get any better?  Now 2 must see clinics

--

Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Tom Madden
 

I remember a Schaumberg clinic at Sunshine's mini-meet in Pleasanton CA some years ago. Bill was first up, I think it was 10am. He poured himself a glass of wine, commented a bit on it, and proceeded to give his clinic. Don't recall he offered any to the rest of us.


Tom Madden


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

O Fenton Wells
 

Wine and chocolate, so Tootsie Rolls and what is a good month for $2 buck Chuck?

--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Fenton needs to bring that clinic to Fredericksburg for the MARPM! Or maybe he did...I had the flu at the last minute and missed it. :-(

Sent from Dave Bott's iPad

On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:30 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Fenton,

 

               I really believe that you MUST attend the clinics on “SRR Early Pulpwood Cars”.  The clinic is a brief history of the pulpwood industry (1930's through the 1950's), the cars used to transport it, and how to model them.  It even includes a section on operations - how a modeler might model the pick-up and loading of the cars and the industries that they were delivered to.  Photos and drawings of the prototype and finished models are shown as well.

 

               In fact, I think you must attend both showings of this clinic – you’re the presenter!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 

P.S. I’ll try to get the descriptions of ALL of the clinics to our webmaster so everyone can see what we have lined up.  Keep an eye on www.prototyperails.com for updates.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

More shameless promotion, can it get any better?  Now 2 must see clinics

 

--

Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Clinic Schedule?

Mikebrock
 

Reading these interesting messages about clinics at Prototype Rails known also as Cocoa Beach or the Bash on the Beach leads me to wonder if they plan to produce a schedule of these presentations...known in some circles as a clinic schedule? <G>

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Aley, Jeff A
 

It IS a competition – a competition to see who can have the most fun!

 

I honestly encourage all listmembers to attend a Prototype Modeling meet if they are able.  There are plenty of well-run gatherings around the country, and I’m confident you’ll have a good time.  Even if you’re not the kind of person who likes conventions and meetings and stuff, the opportunity to chat with LIKE-MINDED people will put a smile on your face.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 9:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

I did not realize that The Beach was some kind of competition!

 

Bill Welch


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bill Schaumburg always provides wine and chocolate at his clinics…  Hmm.  Maybe I’ll schedule him at 9AM and see what he does...

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 9:39 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

Bill wrote:

> I did not realize that The Beach was some kind of competition!

 

I dunno, Bill - what kind of snacks and gift bags will you have for attendees at your clinic?

 

Tom Madden


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Tom Madden
 

Bill wrote:

> I did not realize that The Beach was some kind of competition!


I dunno, Bill - what kind of snacks and gift bags will you have for attendees at your clinic?


Tom Madden


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Aley, Jeff A
 

Clark’s title: “Here, Take This”

 

Current title: “Propst: Turning a Sow’s Ear into a Silk Purse”

 

Perhaps I’ll re-title it “Propst: Turning Lemons into Lemonade”.

 

Hmm…

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 7:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

Beings Bill is promoting Cocoa Beach and his clinic, I’ll promote myself as the “Anti-Welch”  ;  ))

 

Jeff has change the name of my talk because he didn’t think my title was descriptive enough. That’s ok, just don’t be confused.

I’m your guy if you want to see how I took off the shelf engines, freight cars and brought them up to ‘my standard’ for layout use.

Oh, there’s even a rivet or two...

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: UTLX tank car

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie,

There are several photos of UTLX type X cars in Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume 2: Tank Cars, including an end shot of 58305, however that is the only specific shot of this series in that book.  However, there are a number of useful photos including one of an underframe without the tank that is invaluable.

In HO we are lucky to have a 3D printed frame from Shapeways that fits the Roundhouse/MDC tank.  It might be possible to have that frame printed in O scale as well...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 8:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] UTLX tank car



Thanks to all for the info.  Is there a good photo of a 5xxxx series type X published somewhere?  I’d like to have one of these in my O scale roster one day.  I already have a type V built from a On3 kit and converted back to standard gauge.
 
Charlie
 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] UTLX tank car
 


I agree that this is a type X car.  UTLX did a lot of converting of older cars for new services by adding heater coils, which it the reason for the patch on the car end.  So, this car would have been in a 5xxxx number series.  It appears that at this or some time, they have also replaced the screw type dome cover with the bolted style and they were able to add the single safety valve, which is all that is required for cars from 6500 gallons capacity and lower.  This car does appear to be this size, judging for the large number of photos I have studied over the years.

 

It’s a neat picture to see, for sure.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 


 




Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Aley, Jeff A
 

Fenton,

 

               I really believe that you MUST attend the clinics on “SRR Early Pulpwood Cars”.  The clinic is a brief history of the pulpwood industry (1930's through the 1950's), the cars used to transport it, and how to model them.  It even includes a section on operations - how a modeler might model the pick-up and loading of the cars and the industries that they were delivered to.  Photos and drawings of the prototype and finished models are shown as well.

 

               In fact, I think you must attend both showings of this clinic – you’re the presenter!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 

P.S. I’ll try to get the descriptions of ALL of the clinics to our webmaster so everyone can see what we have lined up.  Keep an eye on www.prototyperails.com for updates.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

More shameless promotion, can it get any better?  Now 2 must see clinics

 

--

Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

Bill Welch
 

I did not realize that The Beach was some kind of competition!

Bill Welch


Re: [SPAM]Re: Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I checked The Postwar Freight Car Fleet (Kline and Culotta) photos for Q
cars photographed in PA and environs, and the only ones in the book are auto
boxcars boxcars, and BREX reefers. Boxcar classes were XA-7, XA-8, XM-23,
XM-30, and XM-32. No stock cars, flat cars, hoppers, or gondolas. Photos
were taken circa 1947.



Boxcars and reefers circulated nationally; not so much for other car types.



Nelson Moyer







From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 10:17 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail USRA hopper





Clark Cone asked:
"Curious, what are the chances of a Q car ending up on the east coast?"

From the 1947-1951 Rutland data that I have on hand from Armand Premo's
collection, zero CB&Q cars of 1252 hoppers. One C&S hopper (18018, USRA
twin) recorded on Train 10 on September 7, 1950.

Ben Hom

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