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Re: NYC steam era boxcar decals?

Ray Breyer
 

Steam era? Depends on what you mean by that (the "steam era" generally ran from 1804 to 1960)
 
We 1920s modelers generally have to roll our own when it comes to car decals. I currently have two sets for sale: one that covers 1910-1914 built 38' double sheathed plain and auto boxcars with wood ends and fishbelly underframes (road names: NYC&HR, NYC, MC); and one that covers 1912-1916 built 38' DS plain boxcars with steel ends and fishbelly underframes (road names: NYC, B&A, P&LE, Big Four). Both sets are designed to replace the F&C decals for their NYC short boxcar kits (as well as a few kitbashes). Both sets are good for cars as-built, and into the early 1930s.
 
Contact me OFF LIST if you're interested in them.
 
Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


From: "blindog@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] NYC steam era boxcar decals?

A quick look at Microscale turns up nothing for New York Central steam era boxcars, the oxide red cars with the oval logos (outline or black background).  So what is the preferred source of NYC decals for the modelers on this list?

Thanks

Scott Chatfield


Re: More tank car number series help

Douglas Harding
 

Clark, from the below website the CWTX reporting marks were first used in 1955, after your 1954 modeling era.

From http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportc.html

 

CWTX

Central West Refrigerator Despatch Co.

added 4/1955; 10/1957; eliminated 7/1959

CWTX

Chicago Freight Car Leasing Co.

added 7/1959; 4/1961-1/1975; eliminated 4/1978

CWTX

Chem West Industries, Inc.

added 4/1981

CWTX

Chemwest Industries, Inc.

eliminated 4/1992

CWTX

ChemWest Industries, Inc.

1/1994-7/2005

 

 

I also have this IC setout list, dated June 11, 1959, which shows one of the CWTX tankcars loaded with lard. These are Armour cars, so very possible this train contained cars from Deckers in Mason City.

 

82 East 130AB-121CD [F3ABBA] Condr: S P Sucik

I/C to IHB 1115 11-Jun-59

 

Cars set out at Congress Park IL:

CB&Q   52936 Hogs       MC

NADX   12259 Meat       NKP-LV-LIRR

NADX   12405 Meat       NKP-DL&W

NADX    1031 Meat       NYC-B&A

NADX    1047 Meat       NYC-B&A

CWTX    3213 Lard       IC-CofGA-SAL-FEC

CB&Q   52556 Hogs       MC

ARLX    1818 Meat       ERIE-NYNH&H

TRAX   12139 Meat       NKP-W&LE-P&WV-WM

ARLX    1448 Meat       PM-CP-MEC

ARLX    1756 Meat       NKP-DL&W-L&HR-NYNH&H

ARLX     275 Meat       NKP-DL&W-D&H-B&M

TRAX   12140 Meat       NKP-DL&W-L&HR-NYNH&H

ARLX    1848 Meat       NKP-W&LE-P&WV-WM

ARLX    1367 Meat       ERIE-NYNH&H

TRAX   12494 Meat       PRR

TRAX   12510 Meat       PM-CP-MEC

TRAX   12458 Meat       NKP-W&LE-P&WV-WM

TRAX   12247 Meat       NKP-W&LE-P&WV-WM

ARLX    1439 Meat       NKP-W&LE-P&WV-WM

ARLX    1580 Meat       NKP-DL&W-L&HR-NYNH&H

ARLX    1233 Meat       PRR

ARLX    1500 Meat       PRR

ARLX      76 Meat       NKP-DL&W-L&HR-NYNH&H

ARLX    1460 Meat       NKP-W&LE-P&WV-WM

[ARLX    171 Meat       GTW, S/O Bad Order]

ARLX    1287 Meat       PRR

ARLX    1749 Meat       PM-CP-B&M

FGEX    1138 Cheese     C&O-LV

S&A      370 Sugar      IHB, Blue Island IL

NP      9881 Midds      IHB, Blue Island IL, Hale's

CN    506415 Zinc       IHB, Hammond IN

CN    503392 Zinc       IHB, Hammond IN

CN    529432 Zinc       IHB, Hammond IN

33 car setout, 2 Stock, 25 Perishable, inc 24 Meat.

 

Can’t tell you any specifics about the tanks cars.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:00 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] More tank car number series help

 

 

My only printed ORER is the NMRA 53 version. I do have a few Westerfield CDs, but they do not contain all the private owner cars.

I’ve got my roster done now except for these two tank cars CWTX 3213, 3216. Would really appreciate info on these cars.

Thanks!!

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: So how was Cocoa?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
This was my first time attending, and I had a thoroughly enjoyable time. Excellent presentations, and I got to chat with some friendly people and had some fascinating discussions. Beautifully done models in the model room.
 
My thanks go out to all the hard-working folks who made this event possible.
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:31 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: So how was Cocoa?

I have attended it every year I was in attendance at Cocoa Beach.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Bruce wrote: As for the time of night, sleep is not important at Prototype Rails! That’s what work this week is for ; )
 
I agree. I’ve used that line myself. A positive point is that it’s the only time most attendees are in one place. I only saw a few friends for a minute or two. I believe one of the hold ups is a panel discussion? Does anyone every attend it?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: NYC steam era boxcar decals?

dahminator68
 

Hello Mr. Chatfield:  Westerfield Models has available several sets of Steam Era decals for NYC (and related railroads) Boxcars.  We have decals for NYC USRA Single Sheathed, Steel and Double Sheathed box cars, as well as the Double Sheathed Auto Boxes.  We also have decals for NYC hoppers and stock cars, as well as the Kits to make all of these cars.
 
Please see our website: westerfieldmodels.com, look under "decals" on our store page left side.
 
For USRA Steel boxes, see 2900 series decals.  Decals for all series are listed Dxxxx.
For USRA SS Boxes, see 3300 series decals.
For USRA DS Boxes, see 3800 series decals.
For DS Auto/ Boxes, see 10100 and 7900 series decals.
 
Please check the same series numbers under the Kit listings for photos of the assembled car.
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm


 

From: "blindog@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 3:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] NYC steam era boxcar decals?

 
A quick look at Microscale turns up nothing for New York Central steam era boxcars, the oxide red cars with the oval logos (outline or black background). So what is the preferred source of NYC decals for the modelers on this list?

Thanks

Scott Chatfield



More tank car number series help

Clark Propst
 

My only printed ORER is the NMRA 53 version. I do have a few Westerfield CDs, but they do not contain all the private owner cars.
I’ve got my roster done now except for these two tank cars CWTX 3213, 3216. Would really appreciate info on these cars.
Thanks!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Photo technology

arved_grass
 

Please don't forget the Germans. Adox has taken over much of the Agfa line of B&W films and papers. Well, maybe "much" is a bit of a reach, but it's better than nothing. I always preferred Ilford and Agfa papers over Kodak's B&W paper offerings, but I always ended up preferring Kodak films for some reason.

I see nothing wrong with scanning negatives, working on them on a "digital darkroom," and then having them printed "chemically" (as opposed to "giclee" - the artsy-fartsy term for inkjet). The Fuji Frontier printers at Walmart, Costco, and elsewhere scan negatives, then print and develop using conventional photographic paper and chemicals. It's always a hassle to get a true, untoned B&W print on color paper, but it IS possible. For the purist, Ilford Lab Direct offers traditional silver gelatin prints from digital files:

http://www.ilfordlab-us.com/

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Tue, 1/13/15, 'John C. La Rue, Jr.' MOFWCABOOSE@AOL.COM [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Photo technology
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 11:33 PM


 










Whoever would have thought that Kodak would
abandon the technology that made it great in favor of
something called "digital" ?

 

Ilford is still committed to the silver halide
technology and I use them exclusively, and so do other photo
dealers. If Ilford gives up there will always be
Chinese-made paper, though how good their product is,
remains to be seen.

 

John C. La Rue, Jr.

Bonita Springs, FL

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: riverman_vt@yahoo.com [STMFC]
<STMFC@yahoogroups.com>

To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 11:17 pm

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Bobs photos
























 













Hello Doug and all,




    I believe you are correct about Bob
Lilljestrand's business (Bob's Photos) in all but
one respect. 

Bob used to do quite a bit of his own printing but if I
am not mistaken he has not done ANY printing 

since taking a
header on an ice patch at the Springfield show several years
ago. This left him with

an inability to
tolerate the fumes from photographic processing chemicals
which left him having to

use the services
of others for all
printing. As I have found myself of late it is also becoming
more and

more difficult to
purchase decent black & white photographic printing
paper and chemicals. Once 

they have been found the price is often
prohibitive as well. Whatever happened to
American 

opportunity and
competition? It is even effecting the STMFC hobby
field.





Cordially, Don
Valentine











































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Re: Deco Car Ends

water.kresse@...
 

The C&O HS has a copy of the builder's Deco End General Arrangement drawing in their files . . . . I believe digitized.
Al Kresse


From: "Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:06:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Deco Car Ends

 

With a stamp that intricate, it may have been difficult to produce without tearing the sheet, rendering it useless. Perhaps after the 100 contracted for sets of ends, the vendor said "never again!"

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Tue, 1/13/15, jmischke@... [STMFC] wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Deco Car Ends
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:09 PM
 
Only C&O dabbled in Deco ends.   If I recall
correctly, only 100, 5400-5499.
 
B&O acquired some in 1964 as class M-25e, mixed in
with other similar boxcars.

I would not like to be the vendor stuck with $1000's
worth of this sheet metal press tooling, unsued
thereafter.
 
The car manufacturers and their vendors were always
experimenting with different end and roof designs, to
provide the extra strength of rippled steel at an acceptable
(lower) cost.
 



Re: NYC steam era boxcar decals?

Tim O'Connor
 


Right, I forgot to mention those -- although you'll notice the latest reweigh
stencil date on the entire sheet is 1953. There's such a thing as taking this
"steam era" thing too far! :-) I mean, why can't decals cover the life of a
specific paint scheme?? I need late 50's to early 60's reweigh dates for all
of my cars (except tank cars).

Tim O'Connor




Speedwitch has a set for NYC steel boxcars, its #D-107.  www.speedwitchmedia.com
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 
From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:48 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC steam era boxcar decals?
 
 


CDS (many sets), Champ, Walthers. NYC is a seriously neglected railroad. :-(
Hopefully the society's recent attention to modeling will lead to more choices.

Tim O'Connor

>A quick look at Microscale turns up nothing for New York Central steam era boxcars, the oxide red cars with the oval logos (outline or black background). So what is the preferred source of NYC decals for the modelers on this list?
>
>Thanks
>
>Scott Chatfield


Re: NYC steam era boxcar decals?

gary laakso
 

Speedwitch has a set for NYC steel boxcars, its #D-107.  www.speedwitchmedia.com
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC steam era boxcar decals?
 
 


CDS (many sets), Champ, Walthers. NYC is a seriously neglected railroad. :-(
Hopefully the society's recent attention to modeling will lead to more choices.

Tim O'Connor

>A quick look at Microscale turns up nothing for New York Central steam era boxcars, the oxide red cars with the oval logos (outline or black background). So what is the preferred source of NYC decals for the modelers on this list?
>
>Thanks
>
>Scott Chatfield


Richard Hendrickson's RMJ article on NYC steel boxcars

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Hi


This article, I think from the March 2007 Rail Model Journal, was in the public doman but no longer shows on the TrainLife site because of the corruption/damage of the site, and I wondered whether any of you had it as a pdf and might share it with me?


Regards


Ben Scanlon

London


Re: Bobs photos

Tim O'Connor
 

Don Valentine wrote

> As I have found myself of late it is also becoming more and more difficult to
> purchase decent black & white photographic printing paper and chemicals...
> Whatever happened to American opportunity and competition?

Oh I dunno. Digital photography, digital printing, perhaps? Pollution controls,
perhaps? A buddy of mine in the Army told me his family made a living extracting
the silver from discarded photo chemicals (that was in the 1960's). His plan when
he got out was to become a turquoise miner... He even gave me a 5 lb chunk of
raw turquoise ore as a present. I guess people move on to greener pastures.

Tim O'Connor


Re: NYC steam era boxcar decals?

Tim O'Connor
 

CDS (many sets), Champ, Walthers. NYC is a seriously neglected railroad. :-(
Hopefully the society's recent attention to modeling will lead to more choices.

Tim O'Connor

A quick look at Microscale turns up nothing for New York Central steam era boxcars, the oxide red cars with the oval logos (outline or black background). So what is the preferred source of NYC decals for the modelers on this list?

Thanks

Scott Chatfield


Was Rock Island an owner of 40' flat car like Gould and/or Tichy made?

richard haave
 

 Did RI own any flat cars similar to the Gould 1928 40' flat?  If so,  is there any record has to arrangement of where Auxiliary reservoir and control valve located when  converted to AB brakes.

Thank you in advance for any info.

Dick Haave


Re: Photo technology

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Whoever would have thought that Kodak would abandon the technology that made it great in favor of something called "digital" ?
 
Ilford is still committed to the silver halide technology and I use them exclusively, and so do other photo dealers. If Ilford gives up there will always be Chinese-made paper, though how good their product is, remains to be seen.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: riverman_vt@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 11:17 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Bobs photos

 
Hello Doug and all,

    I believe you are correct about Bob Lilljestrand's business (Bob's Photos) in all but one respect. 
Bob used to do quite a bit of his own printing but if I am not mistaken he has not done ANY printing 
since taking a header on an ice patch at the Springfield show several years ago. This left him with
an inability to tolerate the fumes from photographic processing chemicals which left him having to
use the services of others for all printing. As I have found myself of late it is also becoming more and
more difficult to purchase decent black & white photographic printing paper and chemicals. Once 
they have been found the price is often prohibitive as well. Whatever happened to American 
opportunity and competition? It is even effecting the STMFC hobby field.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Is this a pickle car?

John Larkin
 

I grew up in Marshall, Michigan where we had a pickle "factory" and in early days (1952-54) or so NYC was running steam engines and an occasional funny looking car would be left at the pickle factory.  It was basically wooden tubs on flat cars with covers, not the best description but it is all I can remember.  One hot summer day the crew at the pickle factory invited myself and a couple of friends up to satisfy our hunger and thirst on their fresh dill pickles.  After eating a bit I returned them all to the ground below and to this day absolutely despise dill pickles.  But I did get a ride on a steamer once and then on diesels several times while the crews switched around there, and used to hang out at the depot.  I was around 8-12 years old in those days.  The depot lasted a while because it was leased out but today hardly anything is left, no track at all on the south side, the old DT&M depot was still there a few years ago but it gone and the NYC preceded it.
 
I also used to go to West Chicago around then on family visits and the same type cars were there at a pickle factory on the C&NW.  The roundhouse still stood for a while but not much went on in those days.  I took a couple of slides of the pickle cars but they disappeared many years ago.  Same theme though.  I believe there were 3-4 wood tubs per car but that's a memory from 60 some years ago and I have forgotten a couple of details since then....

John Larkin.



On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:59 PM, "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Ben,

Actually, the pipe I think he is referring to is outside the truck, making it the ice bunker drain on this express reefer.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
________________________________________
From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Is this a pickle car?

Gary Laakso asked:
"On the far right of this picture is what appears to be a wood end covered top car with a corner hatch. A good assumption that it is a pickle car? Is that a drain pipe hanging down near the truck?"
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-cJPDnGh/A

Absolutely not. You're looking at the end of an express reefer. That pipe is the steam line connection.

Ben Hom

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Re: So how was Cocoa?

Jared Harper
 

I have attended it every year I was in attendance at Cocoa Beach.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


---In STMFC@..., <cepropst@...> wrote :

Bruce wrote: As for the time of night, sleep is not important at Prototype Rails! That’s what work this week is for ; )
 
I agree. I’ve used that line myself. A positive point is that it’s the only time most attendees are in one place. I only saw a few friends for a minute or two. I believe one of the hold ups is a panel discussion? Does anyone every attend it?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: B&O and PRR Sentinel/Merchandise Serrvice box cars

greg kennelly
 

Many thanks for that information, Jim.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly
Burnaby, BC


Re: Deco Car Ends

arved_grass
 

With a stamp that intricate, it may have been difficult to produce without tearing the sheet, rendering it useless. Perhaps after the 100 contracted for sets of ends, the vendor said "never again!"

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Tue, 1/13/15, jmischke@att.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Deco Car Ends
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:09 PM
 
Only C&O dabbled in Deco ends.   If I recall
correctly, only 100, 5400-5499.
 
B&O acquired some in 1964 as class M-25e, mixed in
with other similar boxcars.

I would not like to be the vendor stuck with $1000's
worth of this sheet metal press tooling, unsued
thereafter.
 
The car manufacturers and their vendors were always
experimenting with different end and roof designs, to
provide the extra strength of rippled steel at an acceptable
(lower) cost.


Re: Is this a pickle car?

Bruce Smith
 

Ben,

Actually, the pipe I think he is referring to is outside the truck, making it the ice bunker drain on this express reefer.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Is this a pickle car?

Gary Laakso asked:
"On the far right of this picture is what appears to be a wood end covered top car with a corner hatch. A good assumption that it is a pickle car? Is that a drain pipe hanging down near the truck?"
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-cJPDnGh/A

Absolutely not. You're looking at the end of an express reefer. That pipe is the steam line connection.


Ben Hom



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Re: Is this a pickle car?

Benjamin Hom
 

Gary Laakso asked:
"On the far right of this picture is what appears to be a wood end covered top car with a corner hatch. A good assumption that it is a pickle car? Is that a drain pipe hanging down near the truck?"
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-cJPDnGh/A

Absolutely not. You're looking at the end of an express reefer. That pipe is the steam line connection.


Ben Hom

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