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Re: W&LE 29000 series auto cars

Ray Breyer
 

Were the W&LE 29000-29199 door and a half auto cars built in April, 1916 a precedent of the the single sheathed USRA cars with the exception of the doors?  The diagram shows "Steel Ends Murphy's Corrugated" and the roof is Murphy XLR flexible.  Are there other differences? See link for diagram:
http://www.railsandtrails.com/W&LE/car/index.html
Robert Oom
Kalamazoo, MI
 
No; the cars were radically different. The 29000s were the precursors of the W&LE's 27000-series single sheathed cars.
 
From what I remember, the USRA single sheathed cars are "similar" to the CP's 1916 Bettendorf-built cars.
 
Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

Re: W&LE 29000 series auto cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Robert Oom wrote:
Were the W&LE 29000-29199 door and a half auto cars built in April, 1916 a precedent of the the single sheathed USRA cars with the exception of the doors? The diagram shows "Steel Ends Murphy's Corrugated" and the roof is Murphy XLR flexible. Are there other differences? See link for diagram:

http://www.railsandtrails.com/W&LE/car/index.html
Call me clueless, but I can't figure out how to open the .djvu file which is the diagram.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedias

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Presubscribed publishing happens, but I can't speak to the economics.
Milepost 206 is a small publisher specializing in limited press run books
and calendars featuring the Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy. They recently
published the definitive tome on The Burlington Waycars on a pre-order basis
plus some overhead for selected hobby shops. They followed that up with a
Waycar Drawing Book containing both prototype and model line drawings.
Anybody interested in how he does it may want to contact Randy.



http://www.milepost206.com/



Looking at his web site, and the next two projects underway (CB&Q MOW
equipment and CB&Q Motorcars), you will see that Randy depends upon
contributed materials from private collections, most of which would never
see daylight except for his efforts.



Nelson Moyer

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I don't know the economics of "on demand" printing, but I wish more would
explore that option. The Santa Fe Society has begun selling "digital
reprints" of our of print magazines, but that is not always possible with
books since copyright and contractural considerations extend beyond just
running a copy machine.

Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedias

James SANDIFER
 

I don't know the economics of "on demand" printing, but I wish more would
explore that option. The Santa Fe Society has begun selling "digital
reprints" of our of print magazines, but that is not always possible with
books since copyright and contractural considerations extend beyond just
running a copy machine.



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12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477

713-376-0684

www.ssandifer.com



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Anthony Thompson
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedias





Charlie Vlk wrote:
The price for books, magazines, drawings, photographs, and railroad
artifacts have, in many cases, become ridiculous.

There is no question that authors are entitled to their copyright
protection and people are entitled to be compensated for their investment,
but the escalation in prices for many items is beyond reason.

That prices may reach points we don't wish to pay, and therefore are
"ridiculous" to US, does not make them unreasonable in any way. Stuff is
worth what someone will pay for it. You may have an old brass locomotive,
and may find it is now worth LESS than you paid for it, thirty years ago, or
it may be worth much MORE than you paid. Neither result is "ridiculous."
That said, I agree that the loss of access to information is unfortunate.
Perhaps the publishers of RP Cyc could consider electronic editions of the
issues they will not reprint. It would be a bit more revenue to them, and
information to everyone else. We are actively exploring the same approach
for Signature Press.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedias

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
The price for books, magazines, drawings, photographs, and railroad artifacts have, in many cases, become ridiculous.

There is no question that authors are entitled to their copyright protection and people are entitled to be compensated for their investment, but the escalation in prices for many items is beyond reason.
That prices may reach points we don't wish to pay, and therefore are "ridiculous" to US, does not make them unreasonable in any way. Stuff is worth what someone will pay for it. You may have an old brass locomotive, and may find it is now worth LESS than you paid for it, thirty years ago, or it may be worth much MORE than you paid. Neither result is "ridiculous."
That said, I agree that the loss of access to information is unfortunate. Perhaps the publishers of RP Cyc could consider electronic editions of the issues they will not reprint. It would be a bit more revenue to them, and information to everyone else. We are actively exploring the same approach for Signature Press.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

W&LE 29000 series auto cars

dssa1051
 

Were the W&LE 29000-29199 door and a half auto cars built in April, 1916 a precedent of the the single sheathed USRA cars with the exception of the doors? The diagram shows "Steel Ends Murphy's Corrugated" and the roof is Murphy XLR flexible. Are there other differences? See link for diagram:

http://www.railsandtrails.com/W&LE/car/index.html


Robert Oom
Kalamazoo, MI

Re: STMFC] #1 Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Jim Hayes
 

Good for you Andy. I just sold almost a dozen for $30 each to a friend who
will put them on his reference shelf and not in a vault.


Jim

Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I have a standing order at my LHS for this.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Don Burn <burn@...>
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Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:17 AM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's






Charlie,

The publisher still has them order direct http://rpcycpub.com/ You
could suggest they modify their reprint policy at the same time.
Personally, I would love to see some of the series articles, updated and
published as standalone volumes.

Don Burn

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All-

The price for books, magazines, drawings, photographs, and railroad
artifacts have, in many cases, become ridiculous.

There is no question that authors are entitled to their copyright protection
and people are entitled to be compensated for their investment, but the
escalation in prices for many items is beyond reason.

I am interested in the information, not the physical item. I don't mind
paying a little premium to obtain an item missing from my reference library
but will not pay 10X the original cost.

Which reminds me that, having missed the preorder for RPC 26, and not living
near a LHS where I can buy it, I have to send in my check before it becomes
a collector's item!!!

Charlie Vlk

Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler

I agree. Not having the information available, and having to pay a premium
price for a book because it is simply not reprinted is sad.

Jerry Michels



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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Don Burn
 

Charlie,

The publisher still has them order direct http://rpcycpub.com/ You
could suggest they modify their reprint policy at the same time.
Personally, I would love to see some of the series articles, updated and
published as standalone volumes.

Don Burn

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

All-

The price for books, magazines, drawings, photographs, and railroad
artifacts have, in many cases, become ridiculous.

There is no question that authors are entitled to their copyright protection
and people are entitled to be compensated for their investment, but the
escalation in prices for many items is beyond reason.

I am interested in the information, not the physical item. I don't mind
paying a little premium to obtain an item missing from my reference library
but will not pay 10X the original cost.

Which reminds me that, having missed the preorder for RPC 26, and not living
near a LHS where I can buy it, I have to send in my check before it becomes
a collector's item!!!

Charlie Vlk





Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler

I agree. Not having the information available, and having to pay a premium
price for a book because it is simply not reprinted is sad.

Jerry Michels










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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

The price for books, magazines, drawings, photographs, and railroad
artifacts have, in many cases, become ridiculous.

There is no question that authors are entitled to their copyright protection
and people are entitled to be compensated for their investment, but the
escalation in prices for many items is beyond reason.

I am interested in the information, not the physical item. I don't mind
paying a little premium to obtain an item missing from my reference library
but will not pay 10X the original cost.

Which reminds me that, having missed the preorder for RPC 26, and not living
near a LHS where I can buy it, I have to send in my check before it becomes
a collector's item!!!

Charlie Vlk





Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler

I agree. Not having the information available, and having to pay a
premium price for a book because it is simply not reprinted is sad.

Jerry Michels

Re: Red Caboose HO 38545-03 1937 AAR Double Door Box Car, Southern Pacific (Sans Serif) #63971

Tim O'Connor
 

The RC carbody also is 6" too short in height, since it represents a 10'0" IH box car. The SP prewar 40ft auto box
was the A-50-13. I think the A-50-16 was a postwar design, and can be modeled more easily (accurately) using a
C&BT kit. The two RC kits (sq corner and rd corner) for double door cars represent SOO and SAL prototypes , and
that is all.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>

Most obvious problem with the model car body is door width (the Red Caboose doors are too narrow by a foot). The large block lettering of the road name was introduced in the fall of 1955, so would definitely have to be replaced for your era. As SP, the roof and ends would be BCR. The side sill should be straight along the entire car length (this is easy to do with a strip of scale 1 x 6-inch styrene overlay), but IIRC the Red Caboose car already has this. If you like, I can send you a prototype photo off-list of one of these cars as it would be in 1946.

Tony Thompson

Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's

asychis@...
 

Are we collecting the magazine/books or are we modeling?

Schuyler


I agree. Not having the information available, and having to pay a
premium price for a book because it is simply not reprinted is sad.

Jerry Michels

Re: The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2013

Bruce Smith
 

Tyrone,

I'll claim it was a typo <G>. Yes, the eave height was 12' something, not 10' something...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On May 13, 2013, at 7:17 AM, aaejj2j wrote:

I think there is an error or I am confused regarding dimenisions in the Bruce Smith article on the FGE wood reefers. I believe the ORERS list the rail to eve height for the cars as 12-1 for the early (1921-2) and 12-8 for the later (1927-8) and 12-11 for the late 1940 rebuilds in lieu of the article stated 10-1 (or 10-2)and 10-8; all give or take an inch. Perhaps this is just a typo of 10ft versus 12 ft or am I missing something?
Fine magazine and articles worthy of a railroad which was the "standard of the world" (even if it was self proclaimed).
Thanks,
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL

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The Spring 2013 issue of The Keystone Modeler is available for download at
http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm
featuring the following articles"
-Â â?oAs-Builtâ?ˇ BLI T1 Duplex Review (Tim Garner)
- Enhancing BLI I1SA Decapods (Barry Yankolonis)
- FGE 1921-22 Wood Reefer (Bruce Smith)

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Re: The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2013

aaejj2j
 

I think there is an error or I am confused regarding dimenisions in the Bruce Smith article on the FGE wood reefers. I believe the ORERS list the rail to eve height for the cars as 12-1 for the early (1921-2) and 12-8 for the later (1927-8) and 12-11 for the late 1940 rebuilds in lieu of the article stated 10-1 (or 10-2)and 10-8; all give or take an inch. Perhaps this is just a typo of 10ft versus 12 ft or am I missing something?
Fine magazine and articles worthy of a railroad which was the "standard of the world" (even if it was self proclaimed).
Thanks,
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

The Spring 2013 issue of The Keystone Modeler is available for download at
http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm
featuring the following articles"
- “As-Built� BLI T1 Duplex Review (Tim Garner)
- Enhancing BLI I1SA Decapods (Barry Yankolonis)
- FGE 1921-22 Wood Reefer (Bruce Smith)

Ben Hom

Re: Red Caboose HO 38545-03 1937 AAR Double Door Box Car, Southern Pacific (Sans Serif) #63971

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Was looking at possible modelling projects and came across the above described model. I see it was discussed a little bit previously back in 2003 (messages 18528, 18532, 18544), but what was said there left me thinking the model isn’t too bad – but needs some unidentified upgrades. Yes, I also see the re is a Sunshine kit, but was wanting to see what could be made of the Red Caboose car. So, some basic questions:
- are any of the paint and lettering schemes for any railroad accurate (and useful for my era in 1946)?
- is the SP paint and lettering suitable for my 1946 model era? The large Southern Pacific to the right of the doors strikes me as a possibly later style.
- roof and end colour should be?
- door width and door design?
- side sill tab changes?
Most obvious problem with the model car body is door width (the Red Caboose doors are too narrow by a foot). The large block lettering of the road name was introduced in the fall of 1955, so would definitely have to be replaced for your era. As SP, the roof and ends would be BCR. The side sill should be straight along the entire car length (this is easy to do with a strip of scale 1 x 6-inch styrene overlay), but IIRC the Red Caboose car already has this. If you like, I can send you a prototype photo off-list of one of these cars as it would be in 1946.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Red Caboose HO 38545-03 1937 AAR Double Door Box Car, Southern Pacific (Sans Serif) #63971

Robert kirkham
 

Was looking at possible modelling projects and came across the above described model. I see it was discussed a little bit previously back in 2003 (messages 18528, 18532, 18544), but what was said there left me thinking the model isn’t too bad – but needs some unidentified upgrades. Yes, I also see the re is a Sunshine kit, but was wanting to see what could be made of the Red Caboose car. So, some basic questions:
- are any of the paint and lettering schemes for any railroad accurate (and useful for my era in 1946)?
- is the SP paint and lettering suitable for my 1946 model era? The large Southern Pacific to the right of the doors strikes me as a possibly later style.
- roof and end colour should be?
- door width and door design?
- side sill tab changes?

Anything else obvious?

Rob Kirkham

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Re: Rail Prototype Cyclopedias for sale

Ed
 

Tom,

How much are you asking for each?

Ed Robinson

--- In STMFC@..., tchenoweth@... wrote:

Over a month ago I wrote this group and told you that I had volumes 1, 2,
3, 4, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18. Tom Chenoweth tchenoweth@...

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Re: [BRHSlist] 1940'S FRIENDSHIP BOX CAR

Steven D Johnson
 

L&N also contributed a specially-painted boxcar to the "Friendship Train."
It was L&N No. 16576, built by Mt. Vernon Car Mfg. Co. in 1947.



Steve Johnson





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Charlie Vlk
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The first train was in 1947 and was simply the "Friendship Train". It
started from Los Angeles on Nov. 7, 1947. There were at least two box cars
specially painted for the train (one NYC 15147) and a Pullman or two. MTH
did two cars as SP 98014 and SP 97894 that look like the second car in the
photo that the NYC car appears in but the roadname and number are not
identifiable.

The Abraham Lincoln Friendship Train departed from Lincoln, NEB on Feb. 12,
1948.

The Merci cars were in response to these (and presumably other) relief
efforts sponsored by organizations other than the federal government.

Charlie Vlk

Not sure if Charlie is referring the the French Merci Train

Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Having seen a copy of the Mainline Modeller article, the BREX car shown is
from the group 300-325 which only had the standard doors, not the express
reefers 326-329 with the extra cream compartment.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Rupert & Maureen [mailto:gamlenz@...]
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013 12:16 p.m.
To: 'STMFC@...'
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

During a previous discussion of these cars, it was stated that there was
"something" about them in Mainline Modeller of February 1987. Would anyone
have this issue?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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Douglas Harding
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013 10:38 a.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BREX 326-329, express refrigerator cars

Ed according some postings on the BRHS list three years ago the doors are
"cream compartments"

some comments on canopy glue

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

After reading the recent thread on this glue, one I've used successfully and liked for many years, I decided to write a blog post about it, with some information on brands and usage. If you're interested, here is the link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-few-words-in-praise-of-canopy-glue.html

Some may also be interested in the completion of my project to model PFE cars with W-corner-post ends, something not available commercially. Here is the link to that post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/05/upgrading-old-models-athearn-reefers_9.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history