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Re: Boxcar End: What Kind?

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/4/2014 9:37 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
Is there enough detail in the photo on the link below for someone to identify the type of end this is?

    Just a quick hip shot without checking books and old memory but Bx-Z or related???????

-- 

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Boxcar End: What Kind?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Is there enough detail in the photo on the link below for someone to identify the type of end this is?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nebbes61/9256674779/sizes/l

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

rob.mclear3@...
 

Oh Boy! I have to get me one of them... 

Rob McLear


---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

J
      Richard Hendrickson used to sometimes wear at meetings a round lapel pin which said, "Rivets Count."





Re: Accurail USRA hopper

David
 

"Are all of these 50/55 ton cars?"

Except for the first MP car, yes. Most of them are some variety of offset-side twin, too.

David Thompson


Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Charles Peck
 

While there are several refuges where rivet counters may find solace in companionship,
the real esoterics are those who measure rivets.
Joe, "I'll need to use three quarter rivets on this job."
Bill, "Use five eights, Joe, to allow for the paint on them."
Joe, "Well sure, but I need cone head rivets, not round head."

Folks, I'm not Joe or Bill but I respect those of you who see yourselves in these words.
Chuck Peck 

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


There is also the "resinfreightcars" discussion group, and P:48 modelers,
both of which seem populated with rivet counters. :-)

Tim O'Connor

>Jim Betz asks:
>P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet Counters"?
>
>Why yes, it is called "The Steam Era Freight Car List". Perfect place for rivet counters!
>
>Regards
>Bruce Smith



Re: Even Colored Car Roofs

caboose9792@...
 

Also note the graffiti on the CB&Q boxcar a behind the tender. I suspect that is old school involving a brush and a can of paint.  
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 11/14/2014 5:07:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504225&nseq=165

"Why does the Fruit Growers Express reefer have 'F.H.I.X.' reporting marks?"

Thanks. That changes my mind a lot about modeling cars with paint failures on the roof.
Should be a relatively rare exception given the sample in this photo.
Arved Grass

Arved, really? From a sample size of about 10 cars including one
nearly new reefer and 4 box cars that had unpainted galvanized roofs,
you would infer that roof paint failure was rare? The only one I'm
not sure about is that NYC box -- can't tell if the roof is original
or a replacement but the car has post-1955 paint.

The SP box car in the background originally had a painted roof -- but
it's all worn off except for the seam caps.

1958 is the start of "my era" of modeling -- Lots of shiny new cars
and plenty of older cars too. Great assortment in this photo!

The "FHIX" stood for Fruit Growers Express, High Insulation" -- there
were also WHIX cars for Western Fruit Express. These cars had 33% more
cubic capacity than conventional 40 foot ice reefers.

Tim

P.S. If you need some photos of roof paint failure I can send you some. :-)


Re: Accurail USRA hopper

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/2/2014 4:39 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
Jon, if time stopped for you in 1941, these won't do.  This black hopper car scheme wasn't adopted by the Pennsy until 1957 for new cars.

    I got suckered in with the 1-06 build date and couldn't see the reweight date.

-- 

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Rivet Counter and truss rod counter!

gary laakso
 

Clark Propst, I am sure joins me, in the subsection of Rivet Counters devoted to counting truss rods. 
 
Gary “I love doing stiles” Laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 4:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rivet Counter
 
 

You say "rivet counter" like it's a bad thing!

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 12/4/14, jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2014, 11:22 AM


 









Good Morning (it's still raining here in San
Jose),



Sooner or later every list has some posts from

"The Rivet Counters" ... this is one of the few

lists that I'm a member of that it makes some

sense/can have legs. Or does it? *G*

Or -should- it? A friend of mine usually says

something along the lines of "you have far too

much time on your hands if you are counting

rivets - or paying attention to the spacing and/or

location of the rivets" ...

I sort of agree with him in that the person working

on the model is the only one who is ever going to

notice "how many" or "how far apart are
they" and

even (usually) "where they are located".



If you are doing mods that result in a 'nekked'

model then, of course, you need to add rivets.

What else would hold the car together?

- Jim



P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet
Counters"?











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Re: Rivet Counter

Dennis Storzek
 

I actually dislike the generic term "rivet counter", and break it down further by era. The folks on this list are undoubtedly rivet counters; they specifically count rivets. But over on the Baby-Boomer FC list, they are just as likely to be Huck bolt counters... and the plug weld counters hang out on the Modern FC list.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Thanks, Bill.

Alex Schneider

From: "Bill Hirt whirt@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail USRA hopper



Alex,

All of the CB&Q cars were 55 ton cars.  The ORER lists the SLSF series as 55 ton cars, C&O, IC and N&W as 50 ton cars, MP series 56901-57899 70 ton cars, MP series 58750-60949 as 55 ton cars, and the L&N cars a mix of 50 and 55 ton cars.

The IC cars in model form were Sunshine Models Kit #75.1.

Bill Hirt

On 12/4/2014 1:25 PM, Alex Schneider aschneiderjr@... [STMFC] wrote:


This kind of information is invaluable for those who want appropriate off-line cars, but can't develop data sources on every road. Thanks.

A quick summary follows. Are all of these 50/55 ton cars?






Rivet Counter

arved_grass
 

You say "rivet counter" like it's a bad thing!

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 12/4/14, jimbetz jimbetz@jimbetz.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2014, 11:22 AM


 









Good Morning (it's still raining here in San
Jose),



Sooner or later every list has some posts from

"The Rivet Counters" ... this is one of the few

lists that I'm a member of that it makes some

sense/can have legs. Or does it? *G*

Or -should- it? A friend of mine usually says

something along the lines of "you have far too

much time on your hands if you are counting

rivets - or paying attention to the spacing and/or

location of the rivets" ...

I sort of agree with him in that the person working

on the model is the only one who is ever going to

notice "how many" or "how far apart are
they" and

even (usually) "where they are located".



If you are doing mods that result in a 'nekked'

model then, of course, you need to add rivets.

What else would hold the car together?

- Jim



P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet
Counters"?











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Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Bill Hirt <whirt@...>
 

Alex,

All of the CB&Q cars were 55 ton cars.  The ORER lists the SLSF series as 55 ton cars, C&O, IC and N&W as 50 ton cars, MP series 56901-57899 70 ton cars, MP series 58750-60949 as 55 ton cars, and the L&N cars a mix of 50 and 55 ton cars.

The IC cars in model form were Sunshine Models Kit #75.1.

Bill Hirt

On 12/4/2014 1:25 PM, Alex Schneider aschneiderjr@... [STMFC] wrote:


This kind of information is invaluable for those who want appropriate off-line cars, but can't develop data sources on every road. Thanks.

A quick summary follows. Are all of these 50/55 ton cars?


Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

This kind of information is invaluable for those who want appropriate off-line cars, but can't develop data sources on every road. Thanks.

A quick summary follows. Are all of these 50/55 ton cars?
Road and Series Count
C&O 1
129000-135499 1
CB&Q 16
188000-189999 5
190000-191749 6
192000-193199 2
194000-194999 3
IC 17
68000-68999 1
70000-70499 2
71000-71749 1
72000-72999 2
73000-73599 1
73600-73999 1
75000-78959 4
87000-87999 1
88000-88999 1
90000-90999 1
92000-93749 2
L&N 4
32000-33999 1
34000-35999 1
63900-71149 1
82200-85199 1
MP 2
56901-57899 1
58750-60949 1
N&W 1
84000-84743 1
NYC* 3
834500-834999 1
871000-871499 1
872000-873999 1
SL-SF 2
88000-89499 2
Grand Total 46

Details on NYC cars, from the CASO site.

834500 series -- Lot 396H, 30' 6", 55 tons, 1918, Pressed Steel Car Co. (USRA)
871000 series -- Lot 786H, 31' 6", 55 tons, 1949, Pressed Steel Car Co.872000 series -- Lot 789H, 31' 6", 55 tons, 1949, DSI

Alex Schneider


From: "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 10:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail USRA hopper







Here are CB&Q hoppers delivered to the Coop in Dallas Center Iowa on
the M&StL


1/15/55 CB&Q 188419 188000-189999 HM Coal Orient Ill
3/8/54 CB&Q 188676 188000-189999 HM Coal Orient Ill
10/4/54 CB&Q 188928 188000-189999 HM Coal Orient Ill
12/20/54 CB&Q 189921 188000-189999 HM Coal Orient Ill
12/13/54 CB&Q 189921 188000-189999 HM Coal Orient Ill
2/23/55 CB&Q 190012 190000-191749 HM Coal Orient Ill
11/3/54 CB&Q 190526 190000-191749 HM Coal Orient Ill
10/6/54 CB&Q 190966 190000-191749 HM Coal Orient Ill
1/28/54 CB&Q 191119 190000-191749 HM Coal Orient Ill
3/15/55 CB&Q 191550 190000-191749 HM Coal Waltonville Ill
11/3/54 CB&Q 191642 190000-191749 HM Coal Orient Ill
12/30/53 CB&Q 192174 192000-193199 HM Coal Orient Ill
4/10/54 CB&Q 193167 192000-193199 HM Coal Orient Ill
11/25/54 CB&Q 194142 194000-194999 HM Coal Orient Ill
11/18/54 CB&Q 194501 194000-194999 HM Coal Orient Ill
2/23/55 CB&Q 194884 194000-194999 HM Coal Orient Ill

Here are
the IC hoppers delivered to the same place


11/23/53 IC 68184 68000-68999 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
2/3/54 IC 70317 70000-70499 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
3/8/55 IC 70445 70000-70499 HM Coal Nortonville
Ky
2/9/55 IC 71394 71000-71749 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
2/8/55 IC 72321 72000-72999 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
12/27/53 IC 72566 72000-72999 HM Coal Oriole Ky
10/23/54 IC 73062 73000-73599 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
12/6/54 IC 73693 73600-73999 HM Coal Orient Ill
11/10/54 IC 75531 75000-78959 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
11/28/53 IC 76485 75000-78959 HM Coal Orient Ill
3/12/55 IC 77938 75000-78959 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
2/16/54 IC 78279 75000-78959 HM Coal Orient Ill
2/1/54 IC 87197 87000-87999 HM Coal Orient Ill
3/15/54 IC 88431 88000-88999 HM Coal Orient Ill
12/26/54 IC 90340 90000-90999 HM Coal Nortonville
Ky
12/14/53 IC 92093 92000-93749 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill
11/25/53 IC 92906 92000-93749 HM Coal West Frankfort Ill

Here are
the other cars to the same place. No home road cars!


11/20/54 C&O 134201 129000-135499 HM Coal Philco W Va

5/26/54 L&N 33529 32000-33999 HM Coal Leatherwood Ky
1/5/55 L&N 35939 34000-35999 HM Coal Blue Diamond Ky
12/16/54 L&N 66053 63900-71149 HM Coal Leatherwood
Ky
11/10/54 L&N 85017 82200-85199 HM Coal Leatherwood
Ky
5/18/54 MP 57402 56901-57899 HT Coal Orient Ill
1/12/54 MP 59821 58750-60949 HM Coal Cresent Ill
10/15/54 N&W 84720 84000-84743 HM Coal Glen Alum W
Va
11/26/53 NYC 834886 834500-834999 HM Coal Harrisburg
Ill
2/3/54 NYC 871423 871000-871499 HM Coal Harrisburg
Ill
12/10/53 NYC 873752 872000-873999 HM Coal Harrisburg
Ill
11/8/54 SL-SF 88170 88000-89499 HM Coal Henryetta
Okla
10/12/54 SL-SF 89383 88000-89499 HM Coal Henryetta Okla

It’s easy
to see why I’d like a couple Q and IC cars
Clark
Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:

Sooner or later every list has some posts from "The Rivet Counters" ... this is one of the few lists that I'm a member of that it makes some sense/can have legs. Or does it? 

P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet Counters"?


      Richard Hendrickson used to sometimes wear at meetings a round lapel pin which said, "Rivets Count."

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Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

There is also the "resinfreightcars" discussion group, and P:48 modelers,
both of which seem populated with rivet counters. :-)

Tim O'Connor

Jim Betz asks:
P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet Counters"?

Why yes, it is called "The Steam Era Freight Car List". Perfect place for rivet counters!

Regards
Bruce Smith


Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

tyesac@...
 

And it's close relative: Passenger Car List!
 
Tom Casey


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Dec 4, 2014 10:59 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

 
Jim Betz asks:
P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet Counters"?

Why yes, it is called "The Steam Era Freight Car List". Perfect place for rivet counters!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Happily counting rivets in Auburn, AL


Re: 1940s Railroad Promotional Film: Railroadin'

Bruce Smith
 

Brad,

WHAT "white with black door scheme"?  Surely you mean Aluminum (or silver) with black?  This highlights the problem with making color judgements from old film and underscores the many errors that have been published and or modeled based on incorrect interpretation of color.

For reference it also helps to note the time frame, whcih is 10:05-10:08 and repeat the url:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W65eOOK9eZU&feature=player_embedded

And yes, this is an example of the Georgia aluminum and black scheme.  It is not clear if this car has the ladder area on the right end of the side painted black, but it appears not to.  Black ends for sure and it appears to be a welded roof car.

The coupling is pretty hard eh?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 10:09 AM
To: STMFC@...; STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: 1940s Railroad Promotional Film: Railroadin'



I also thought I saw a Georgia railroad USRA in the white with black door scheme at the hump yard section. Anyone care to confirm this?
Thanks
Brad andonian


Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Jim Betz asks:
P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet Counters"?

Why yes, it is called "The Steam Era Freight Car List". Perfect place for rivet counters!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Happily counting rivets in Auburn, AL


Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

No Yahoo group Jim but I believe there are counselors who they can talk with to to find inner peace ;>).

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Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Jim Betz
 

Good Morning (it's still raining here in San Jose),

Sooner or later every list has some posts from
"The Rivet Counters" ... this is one of the few
lists that I'm a member of that it makes some
sense/can have legs. Or does it? *G*
Or -should- it? A friend of mine usually says
something along the lines of "you have far too
much time on your hands if you are counting
rivets - or paying attention to the spacing and/or
location of the rivets" ...
I sort of agree with him in that the person working
on the model is the only one who is ever going to
notice "how many" or "how far apart are they" and
even (usually) "where they are located".

If you are doing mods that result in a 'nekked'
model then, of course, you need to add rivets.
What else would hold the car together?
- Jim

P.S. Is there a yahoo group for "Rivet Counters"?

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