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Re: How to get that greasy look

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

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I've been trying to come up with ideas for painting parts of some tank cars to get that greasy look some of them had, such as some that served packing plants. Any suggestions?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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Re: gn caboose

Steve Haas
 

<<hi: in the sept 1944 model railroader there are plans for GN caboose. can
anyone tell me which caboose? the index for this issue (available in the
model railroader  index) states only GN caboose. Thanks. Marty Cooper>>


Marty,

X611 is the lettering on the drawing.

HTH!

Best regards,


Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA

Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Steven D Johnson
 

While this is not really "post war," I thought the following information
would be of interest.



I am co-authoring a book about the Cadiz Railroad, a now-defunct short line
which was built to connect the towns of Cadiz and Gracey in western
Kentucky. The line interchanged with the Illinois Central RR at Gracey.



The Cadiz RR hauled out a lot of green cross ties, loaded in or on whatever
types of cars were available - boxcars, gondolas, flat cars, and even stock
cars. We have a photo of derailment on the line in February 1942. Directly
behind the locomotive is a stock car, but I can't discern the reporting
marks. The back of the photo has the information "Stock car is loaded with
cross ties due to box car shortage."



The Cadiz RR handled stock cars from a variety of roads. We have a copy of a
letter from the short line's General Manager to the ICRR agent in
Evansville, IN, dated December 20, 1934, which states:



"Dear Sir.-



If you can, will you please furnish this office with live stock contracts on
the following cars shipped from your station which were finally destined
Cadiz, Ky.:



Sept. 27/34

U.P. 46381

N&W 27318

N&W 27678

N&W 27545

S.P. 75167

C&S 2?0?6

U.P. 44827

N&W 27625

U.P. 45032

U.P. 46708

S.P. 72080

S.P. 70905

U.P. ?2947

FWD 3572



The Federal Surplus Relief Corporation is demanding these contracts before
payment will be authorized for freight, and we would like to have them as
early as possible."



Steve Johnson



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mopacfirst
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Subject: [STMFC] Post War Stock Cars used for something else





How common was it for stock cars to be temporarily / permanently converted
to other loads? This means cleaning out the critter leavings and straw, to
get to a more-or-less clean floor, and installing (or not) an interior
lining so the car could essentially become a boxcar.

I have a photo of a Rock Island (ex-MKT?) stock car with solid (plywood?)
lining sitting in a yard in Wichita so there was no clue if was converted
for grain service or some other more general loading.

As noted in the other thread on stock cars, I'm really thinking about the
end of the time period of this list.

Ron Merrick

Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Charles Etheredge
 

--- In STMFC@..., "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

How common was it for stock cars to be temporarily / permanently converted to other loads? This means cleaning out the critter leavings and straw, to get to a more-or-less clean floor, and installing (or not) an interior lining so the car could essentially become a boxcar.

I have a photo of a Rock Island (ex-MKT?) stock car with solid (plywood?) lining sitting in a yard in Wichita so there was no clue if was converted for grain service or some other more general loading.

As noted in the other thread on stock cars, I'm really thinking about the end of the time period of this list.

Ron Merrick
Ron, here in Central Texas and east toward the coast there were a LOT of watermelon production, especially around Hempstead and Luling. Don Hand, in his great article in the Fall SPHTS magazine, he had a picture ( cica 1910) of mule led wagons of melons along side of TNO stock cars in Hempstead. The caption stated that up to 1800 carloads of melons were shipped in one year from here. Certainly a seasonal thing but not a rarity by any means in that era. Into the 1940's, melons were still shipped by rail though perhaps not to this extent.

Charles Etheredge

gn caboose

gastro42000
 

hi: in the sept 1944 model railroader there are plans for GN caboose. can anyone tell me which caboose? the index for this issue (available in the model railroader  index) states only GN caboose. Thanks. Marty Cooper

Ping: Jerry Glow

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

With apologies to the list:

Attention Jerry Glow. Please contact me offlist re 9-month old decal
order. The only time you seem to acknowledge my emails is after I post
them here to STMFC.

Thank you.

Phillip Blancher
pblancher@...

Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

lstt100
 

From 1942 thru the middle 50's, during the southeast watermelon season, the AAR Car Service Division directed western carriers to send stock cars to the southeast for watermelon loading. This was to supplement ventilator equipped boxcars.

Dan Holbrook

The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2013

Benjamin Hom
 

The Spring 2013 issue of The Keystone Modeler is available for download at
http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm
featuring the following articles"
- “As-Built” BLI T1 Duplex Review (Tim Garner)
- Enhancing BLI I1SA Decapods (Barry Yankolonis)
- FGE 1921-22 Wood Reefer (Bruce Smith)

Ben Hom

Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Lee Thwaits <leethwaits@...>
 

Stock cars were used for carrying cans from can company to canneries in San Jose in 1940's. Cars were lined with heavy Kraft paper. Cans were stacked on there sides and unloaded using long wood boards with handles and with large dowels sticking out at appropriate intervals for can size. Don't know if the hauls were just across town or from other areas.

Lee Thwaits

Re: [BRHSlist] 1940'S FRIENDSHIP BOX CAR

Charlie Vlk
 

There were TWO "Friendship" trains.
The one the Q painted up the XM for was the Abraham Lincoln Friendship Train. There was an earlier one that ran coast to coast
MTH has done a car in O tinplate and I did art for DeLuxe Innovations to do on their XM32 in N Scale. I don't know if its ever been done in HO
I have some material from online sources on both trains. There were some other special paint cars but good pictures are elusive
I am going to cc this post to the Steam Era Freight Car List to see if anyone there has any additional information
Charlie Vlk

On May 10, 2013, at 7:49 PM, William Barber <clipperw@...> wrote:

Ray,

Sorry, I overlooked the second line and I had not read Gerald Edgar's response. I remember the discussion he is talking about, but don't recall which list it was on. I think it was the CB&Q list.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO

On May 10, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Ray Bedard wrote:

I did say "attached" but if you look at the second paragraph, I indicated that the photo is in the PHOTOS section.
RAY

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From: clipperw@...
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:36:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] 1940'S FRIENDSHIP BOX CAR

Ray,

There is no attachment. I don't think the BRHS list is set up for that. You have to post it in the "Photos" section or attach it to a message on the CB&Q list which does allow attachments.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO

On May 10, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Zephyr fan wrote:

OK, I am attaching a photo of what is listed as a FRIENDSHIP TRAIN from 1946. Is this just someones idea of a "what if" car or did the Q really have a car painted like this?

The car can be seen in the PHOTOS section, in a folder titled FRIENDSHIP TRAIN.

Would like to know if this is a Q car.

Ray
San Jose CA


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Rail Prototype Cyclopedias for sale

Kenneth Montero
 

Dear Colleagues,

A local hobby shop, Chesterfield Hobbies (tel. 804-379-9091) is having a retirement sale scheduled to end by May 31 when the owner (Adrian Cates) retires. As of May 10, the store has the following issues of Rail Prototype Cyclopedia for sale:

Nos. 1,10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.

Since various participants in this group have expressed interest in acquiring these items, I thought that I would post this list. I have no financial interests in the store - I am a friend of the owner.

Please contact Adrian Cates directly regarding any sales.

Sincerely,
Ken Montero

Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

james murrie
 

I saw, and have a picture somewhere, of NP stock cars being used to load grain near Grand Forks, ND. Can't remember which town it was west of Grand Forks, but it had to be between Sept 72 and Feb 77, the years I lived there.
Jim Murrie

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Grain loading was common with the inside either covered with plywood or
cardboard. I have several photos of ATSF cars in that use.

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Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Tom Vanwormer
 

Tony,
Here is the photo that captures many a modeler to follow the Colorado
Midland Rwy. Note the stock car on the coal trestle, it was a common
use of the 125 stockcars owned between 1897 and 1918 during the seasons
in the spring and fall when livestock was moved to either the high
country meadows (spring) and the Denver Stockyards (fall.) The stock
car on the coal trestle from many of the car registers that have
survived seems to have been a regular occurrence during the non-stock
rush periods for transporting company coal along the line.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

Anthony Thompson wrote:



Steve Sandifer wrote:
Of course Tony is right.
But let's be honest, don't we all like to model the uncommon in the
name of it having a prototype and something different on our railroads?

Actually, Steve, I have long preached the importance of NOT doing
highly unusual things, or to say it another way, anything that might
require "explanation." If we wish to create the illusion of miniature
reality, we have enough compromises through selective compression and
much else, that I believe we cannot afford to add to things that may
detract from realism.

I can show records of ACL, CN, and L&N stock cars in one train on
the ATSF Brady Branch in central Texas. Unusual, yes, but for the
prototype modeler, if that is your place and date - Bingo, you need them.

I agree, and I said this.

I have records of PRR, B&O, NYC stock cars in San Bernardino.
Aberation - probably, and certainly minor in numbers compared to ATSF
(50%), UP (25%), and T&NO/SP
(11%) in those postwar records. But on at least one day in one train
traversing Cajon Pass, there was a PRR stock car, and that is all it
takes for someone to have a BLI K7 on their Cajon layout.

In this case, I disagree. Some modelers will seize on ANY single
example of something as "justification" for including it, but you are
just adding improbability to the existing compromises already present.
I think these impulses have to be resisted.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@... <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
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Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
Of course Tony is right.
But let's be honest, don't we all like to model the uncommon in the name of it having a prototype and something different on our railroads?
Actually, Steve, I have long preached the importance of NOT doing highly unusual things, or to say it another way, anything that might require "explanation." If we wish to create the illusion of miniature reality, we have enough compromises through selective compression and much else, that I believe we cannot afford to add to things that may detract from realism.

I can show records of ACL, CN, and L&N stock cars in one train on the ATSF Brady Branch in central Texas. Unusual, yes, but for the prototype modeler, if that is your place and date - Bingo, you need them.
I agree, and I said this.

I have records of PRR, B&O, NYC stock cars in San Bernardino. Aberation - probably, and certainly minor in numbers compared to ATSF (50%), UP (25%), and T&NO/SP
(11%) in those postwar records. But on at least one day in one train traversing Cajon Pass, there was a PRR stock car, and that is all it takes for someone to have a BLI K7 on their Cajon layout.
In this case, I disagree. Some modelers will seize on ANY single example of something as "justification" for including it, but you are just adding improbability to the existing compromises already present. I think these impulses have to be resisted.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Rod Miller
 

On 5/10/13 12:54 PM, Charles Hostetler wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

How common was it for stock cars to be temporarily / permanently converted
to other loads?
Hi Ron,

In 1953 it turned out that about 5% of shipments that were in cars of AAR MD
"S" were shipments of "something else" (other than livestock). The
"something else" shipments included Products of Agriculture, Products of
Mines, Products of Forests, and Manufacturers and Miscellaneous:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/05/stock-car-shipments.html

This equates to an annual volume of 22,100 shipments of "something else" in
stock cars versus 433,700 shipments of livestock in stock cars. (Compare
also to roughly 30,000,000 total shipments in 1953.)

I am working on a follow up post that includes a break down by commodity
class and some seasonal data. For my layout setting (Milwaukee harbor) these
"something else" shipments may be the only time a stock car gets on the
tracks...

Regards,

Charles Hostetler
I read on the NPmodelers yahoogroup that newly treated
ties were often shipped in stock cars because the
creosote fumes that accumulated in enclosed cars made
for difficult unloading by hand. Stock cars offered
weather protection that wasn't available in open cars.

Rod

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Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

James SANDIFER
 

Of course Tony is right.



But let's be honest, don't we all like to model the uncommon in the name of
it having a prototype and something different on our railroads?



Santa Fe only had one DL-109 and one "Blue Goose," but how many Santa Fe
modelers crave one for their layout.



Some of us look for unusual loads to put on flat cars or in gondolas. I
doubt that we ask, "Was that a unique shipment, a one of a kind?" Unique or
not, it is an interesting load and a way to show off our modeling expertise
without depending on loads from commercial suppliers that look like those on
everyone else's railroad.



I can show records of ACL, CN, and L&N stock cars in one train on the ATSF
Brady Branch in central Texas. Unusual, yes, but for the prototype modeler,
if that is your place and date - Bingo, you need them. I have records of
PRR, B&O, NYC stock cars in San Bernardino. Aberation - probably, and
certainly minor in numbers compared to ATSF (50%), UP (25%), and T&NO/SP
(11%) in those postwar records. But on at least one day in one train
traversing Cajon Pass, there was a PRR stock car, and that is all it takes
for someone to have a BLI K7 on their Cajon layout.



Santa Fe had some years with bumper grain harvests, and they brought in
every car that could carry the grain. What if for a few months ATSF took
stock cars and papered the insides and took open hoppers and put radial
roofs on them, and gondolas and threw tarps on them only to convert them
back to their original use a few months later. If that's your time period
and prototype, you can have those cars.



That for me is part of the fun and education of this hobby.



Now that the weather is heating up, I crave a stock car loaded with
watermelons.

________________________________________________________________

Steve Sandifer

12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477

713-376-0684

www.ssandifer.com



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Steve Sandifer wrote:
Grain loading was common with the inside either covered with plywood or
cardboard. I have several photos of ATSF cars in that use.

1955 National Car Loadings for Stock Cars
"Common?" I note that in the national car loadings, the livestock add up to
99%. And that's about what you get when you add up the non-livestock loads
(5000) out of 427,100 loads. Of course, if you model an area where this kind
of stock car loading was done, or if you model a brick plant, maybe okay,
but otherwise I would say you are stretching it if you operate more than a
VERY occasional non-livestock load in a stock car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history

WESTERFIELD MODELS NATIONAL TRAIN DAY Sale

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Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

How common was it for stock cars to be temporarily / permanently converted to other loads?
Hi Ron,

In 1953 it turned out that about 5% of shipments that were in cars of AAR MD "S" were shipments of "something else" (other than livestock). The "something else" shipments included Products of Agriculture, Products of Mines, Products of Forests, and Manufacturers and Miscellaneous:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/05/stock-car-shipments.html

This equates to an annual volume of 22,100 shipments of "something else" in stock cars versus 433,700 shipments of livestock in stock cars. (Compare also to roughly 30,000,000 total shipments in 1953.)

I am working on a follow up post that includes a break down by commodity class and some seasonal data. For my layout setting (Milwaukee harbor) these "something else" shipments may be the only time a stock car gets on the tracks...

Regards,

Charles Hostetler

Re: Post War Stock Cars used for something else

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
Grain loading was common with the inside either covered with plywood or cardboard. I have several photos of ATSF cars in that use.

1955 National Car Loadings for Stock Cars
"Common?" I note that in the national car loadings, the livestock add up to 99%. And that's about what you get when you add up the non-livestock loads (5000) out of 427,100 loads. Of course, if you model an area where this kind of stock car loading was done, or if you model a brick plant, maybe okay, but otherwise I would say you are stretching it if you operate more than a VERY occasional non-livestock load in a stock car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history