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Re: Is this a pickle car?

Bruce Smith
 

Ben,

Actually, the pipe I think he is referring to is outside the truck, making it the ice bunker drain on this express reefer.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Is this a pickle car?

Gary Laakso asked:
"On the far right of this picture is what appears to be a wood end covered top car with a corner hatch. A good assumption that it is a pickle car? Is that a drain pipe hanging down near the truck?"
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-cJPDnGh/A

Absolutely not. You're looking at the end of an express reefer. That pipe is the steam line connection.


Ben Hom



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Re: Is this a pickle car?

Benjamin Hom
 

Gary Laakso asked:
"On the far right of this picture is what appears to be a wood end covered top car with a corner hatch. A good assumption that it is a pickle car? Is that a drain pipe hanging down near the truck?"
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-cJPDnGh/A

Absolutely not. You're looking at the end of an express reefer. That pipe is the steam line connection.


Ben Hom


Is this a pickle car?

gary laakso
 

On the far right of this picture is what appears to be a wood end covered top car with a corner hatch.  A good assumption that it is a pickle car?  Is that a drain pipe hanging down near the truck?
 
 
 
Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: Bobs photos

riverman_vt@...
 

Hello Doug and all,

    I believe you are correct about Bob Lilljestrand's business (Bob's Photos) in all but one respect. 
Bob used to do quite a bit of his own printing but if I am not mistaken he has not done ANY printing 
since taking a header on an ice patch at the Springfield show several years ago. This left him with
an inability to tolerate the fumes from photographic processing chemicals which left him having to
use the services of others for all printing. As I have found myself of late it is also becoming more and
more difficult to purchase decent black & white photographic printing paper and chemicals. Once 
they have been found the price is often prohibitive as well. Whatever happened to American 
opportunity and competition? It is even effecting the STMFC hobby field.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Tank car number series

Allan Smith
 

The 1938 ORER shows all cars from 101-123. The photos that I have seen show these cars as 10k tank  cars built in 1930. They more closely match the 4 course tank cars modeled by the Tichy 10k tank with a 54' dome.
See photo in Classic Freight Cars The Series Vol#2 page 19.

Al Smith Sonora


Re: Bob's Photos.

Jedalberg
 

I think that bob's photo business provides his only income, and he drives many miles to attend these events. He told me that he normally brings about a ton and a half's worth of photos, books and other stuff. He comes eto our RPM-Valley forge every other year, and it takes him maybe four hours to bring everything in to the sales space.
He brings any new photos--which he had in the several folders on the table--everything else is in the labelled folders on the shelves.
Bob is not in the best of health--he had a terrible fall at the Spfld, MA show maybe 10 years ago--went outside to get something, slipped on the ice and was out there in the 5 or 10 degree weather for quite awhile until someone happened by. Was in the hosp for a long time.
He told me that his photo sales were down quite a bit over previous CCB's, and that the book sales were non-existent. I couldn't help as I already have all his Lackawanna passenger car pictures.
About 15 years ago I was at a show up in Allentown Pa, and I asked Bob if he had any photos of the CNJ's Curved Easton PA freight house. He said he didn't know, but handed me a big folder full of small photos. Said he had just bought it and maybe there was something in there. There was--about 4- 5 good pix of the building from which I built a model, for my then CNJ-LV Jersey City to Wilkes Barre RR (now all DL&W).
Jim Dalberg 
 
 


Re: So how was Cocoa?

Mikebrock
 

Clark Propst asks about panel sessions:

"I believe one of the hold ups is a panel discussion? Does anyone every attend it?"

Generally...yes. In the case of the one last Sat, it was very well attended given that the subject was Coupler Functionality. There were about 100 messages on the STMFC on the subject prior to the meet.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Bossman.


Re: Deco Car Ends

Jim Mischke
 

 

 

 

Only C&O dabbled in Deco ends.   If I recall correctly, only 100, 5400-5499.

 

B&O acquired some in 1964 as class M-25e, mixed in with other similar boxcars.

I would not like to be the vendor stuck with $1000's worth of this sheet metal press tooling, unsued thereafter.

 

The car manufacturers and their vendors were always experimenting with different end and roof designs, to provide the extra strength of rippled steel at an acceptable (lower) cost.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Accurail B&O hopper car herald

Jim Mischke
 

 

 

Accurail has offered a B&O offset side twin hopper as class N-35 in the wartime Kuhler scheme which B&O used during 1940-1945).

 

link:  http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8000/8058.jpg

 

This model contains a common inaccuracy.    The prototype 24-inch Kuhler dome herald B &O used from 1937-1945 had an closed ampersand ... looks like a backwards "3" on a pogo stick.    The model uses a dome herald with a closed ampersand "&"  ... on every computer keyboard, above the seven .... which B&O used on freight cars between 1962 and 1966, by which time the N-35 hoppers were virtually extinct.

 

This herald confusion is not their first.  My Accurail USRA twin hoppers in the 13 great states scheme (used 1946-1953) features the stationary and timetable printed herald, not the 25" freight car stencil.  The difference is the 'B&O" font within the herald.

 

Both models force a hunt for decal scraps, accurate B&O heralds in correct sizes are surprisingly hard to find.  Westerfield's 13 great states decals are an unprototypical 30-inch diameter.   Prototype 13 states heralds were 12", 25", and 33-inch only.

 

Accurail offers renumber decals, perhaps they may consider B&O reherald decals.

 

 

 

B&OHS has some lettering guides ....

 

B&O hopper car scheme link: http://borhs.org/Logos/CBarkan/BOHopperStenciling1940-60s.pdf

 

B&O herald link:  http://borhs.org/Logos/CBarkan/BO_Emblems_1937-60s.pdf

 

B&O boxcar lettering link:   http://borhs.org/Logos/CBarkan/BOBoxcarStenciling1920-60s.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: NYC steam era boxcar decals?

James E Kubanick
 

Speedwitch has a set with ovals with and without black background and also includes reporting marks for P&LE and IHB.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "blindog@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
A quick look at Microscale turns up nothing for New York Central steam era boxcars, the oxide red cars with the oval logos (outline or black background). So what is the preferred source of NYC decals for the modelers on this list?

Thanks

Scott Chatfield



NYC steam era boxcar decals?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

A quick look at Microscale turns up nothing for New York Central steam era boxcars, the oxide red cars with the oval logos (outline or black background). So what is the preferred source of NYC decals for the modelers on this list?

Thanks

Scott Chatfield


Re: Deco Car Ends

water.kresse@...
 

Who other than the C&O used them? 
Al Kresse


From: "jmischke@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:18:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Deco Car Ends

 

A patent search will yield many hundreds of boxcar end designs, most of which never saw the light of day.   For one to be actually tooled, such as the Deco end, is rare indeed.  Still, no guarentees that such a product will catch on.

 

I would imagine that final cost rules.

 


 



Re: B&O and PRR Sentinel/Merchandise Serrvice box cars

Jim Mischke
 

 

 

Greg,

 

 

The aluminum over blue B&O Sentinel Service boxcars (100 plus cars so painted, class M-55c, 466000-499 series) were rolling billboards, not captive to any service.   Built in 1945, the first 100 cars were painted aluminum over blue in 1947.   They could be seen anywhere on B&O and elsewhere.  There may have intitially been an effort to parade them around B &O rails only, this disipline would have broke down quickly.

Sentinel Service was a car tracing service bound together by agents, telegraph, and telephone, started in 1947.

 

 

Jim Mischke


Re: Deco Car Ends

Jim Mischke
 

A patent search will yield many hundreds of boxcar end designs, most of which never saw the light of day.   For one to be actually tooled, such as the Deco end, is rare indeed.  Still, no guarentees that such a product will catch on.

 

I would imagine that final cost rules.

 


 


Re: Bobs photos

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck, funny that you mention your slides -- I am scanning slides (more or less
randomly) and I just pulled out Rail Data Services #1508 which is a beautiful shot
of a Northern Pacific single sheathed, 50 foot automobile box car. I came into the
hobby too late I guess to acquire many of your slides.

Of course that's all I know about it -- the catalog number! No date or location. :-(

Tim O'Connor

Think I should share a few thoughts on Bob's Photos.

First let me say I don't know Bob or have ever had any correspondence with him. But I noticed that photos from negatives I had show up in publications as attributed to Bob's Photos. This is fine since I sold my entire b&w negative collection to a fellow who told me he would see that the negatives were made available to the public. think he has loaned the negatives to Bob at various times over the years. This happened after I moved to Colorado and no longer had a dark room, In Bob's defense, I am sure the only way anyone can make money in selling b&w prints is how he does it...making prints in batches (even if just scanning them)and selling them for cash at train events. There are several other guys that only sell from albums at showsI.

Back about 30 years ago I was being plagued for requests for prints of cars from negative collection. To say nothing of long winded phone calls at 10 PM. This was the result of having published over 100 articles and plans in model railroad publications dating back to the 1950s. So I got a PO box and started handling the photos as a business under the trade name of Rail Data Services. I soon found out this was not a money making business but I really hated depriving anyone of data I had.

What with darkroom time, materials for packing for mailing, collecting sales tax, trips to the post office, etc. it soon became a real burden.True, things like field trips for photograph camera equipment, film, travel, etc became legitimate business expenses. But the loss of personal time. book keeping, tax records, etc.

The internet also made such a business a futile thing since one print sold was scanned and circulated all over the internet. I sold my collection of 8000 color slides of cars for much the same reason.

So I can sympathize with Bob in that his is the only way to make a profit. The business of compiling lists, pulling negatives, making custom individual prints, refiling, packing and billing just demands for a price per print far beyond what the avrage railfan can or will pay.

Chuck Yungkurth
Louisville CO


Deco Car Ends

thecitrusbelt@...
 

What were the reasons the deco boxcar ends (see links below) never were widely popular? I understand cars with these ends were only used by the C& O and only 100 cars at that.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_images/fc_co_boxcar/co_box_side1-600.jpg

 

http://www.ttnut.com/resources/image/3054

 

http://www.ttnut.com/resources/image/3055

 

http://hostthenpost.com/uploads/90bcb868b9386dd41a48929540a219c2.jpg


Re: Tank car number series

Schleigh Mike
 

January 1946 shows same 20 cars including the 120.

Enjoy--Mike


On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 3:11 PM, "Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
My Oct 1958 ORER shows 19 cars 104-123 (120 excluded) 10 K gallon TM cars.

Regards--Mike Schleigh


On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:21 PM, "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]"


 
I have a P2K BEPX 105 tank car. I’d like to know the entire number series. Thanks in advance for any help!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa





Re: Tank car number series

Schleigh Mike
 

My Oct 1958 ORER shows 19 cars 104-123 (120 excluded) 10 K gallon TM cars.

Regards--Mike Schleigh


On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:21 PM, "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I have a P2K BEPX 105 tank car. I’d like to know the entire number series. Thanks in advance for any help!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



Bob's photos

ed_mines
 

I have 50-100 of Bob's photos bought through the mail using a list on the STMFC web site. Both Bob and I know the shortcomings of buying from him this way.


Bob and I spoke on the telephone for at least at least hour. I think he likes going to train shows the way he does.


I think he barely broke even going to Naperville when he lived in Connecticut. A weeks worth of driving - hotels, gas........He had employees to pay, pay for the prints, pay for his ever expanding negative collection.


I'm sure he has more than a couple prints that don't sell that he regrets buying.


I always hoped Bob would have a "what's new" list on the internet that I could buy from but that never came to pass.


Maybe I'm old fashioned but I don't mind going through a list at all.


Ed Mines


Tank car number series

Clark Propst
 

I have a P2K BEPX 105 tank car. I’d like to know the entire number series. Thanks in advance for any help!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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