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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Steve SANDIFER
 

Oil companies merged, bought each other, and bought and sold refineries.  I would like to see a list of active refineries and their brands circa 1950.

Skelly at one time had a refinery in El Dorado, KS, just north of the Oklahoma line on the Santa Fe. Tulsa, Arkansas City (ar Kansas City) and Bartlesville were all big refinery towns in northern Oklahoma.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Bob and all;

 

I see two Skelgas and at least three other (one being a UTLX), what look like ICC-105-300’s, almost certainly in compressed gas service.  Is there a production area in the vicinity?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SAL 073168 tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
SAL 073168 tank car, Jacksonville FL, 1960, being unloaded?
 

    Usually a car like this would be LOADED through the dome, but the apparatus looks a little like a siphon, so it may be unloading. Some states forbade unloading through bottom outlets.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Douglas Harding
 

Back in the day New England was a hotbed of manufacturing and textile mills. Think Stanley tools for example. These items were shipped all over the country. And they were shipped in boxcars, most likely New England road boxcars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Quite true. But to stimulate RJ's imagination, a couple of possibilities are specialty mechanical equipment of some kind, made only by a manufacturer in New England, or specialty paper made only in a New England paper mill.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

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From: Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

 

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 



On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


SAL 073168 tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
SAL 073168 tank car, Jacksonville FL, 1960, being unloaded?
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Allan Smith
 

I have Conductors lists from 1954 on the Sierra and a B&M 74195 came unto the Sierra at Oakdale Ca. 5-28-54 from the SP out of Stockton Ca Empty. So I don't know what load brought it to the SP.  The Sierra sent the car back to the SP on 6-2-54 loaded with lumber for Armory Mass. B&M 74195 series 74000-74499 PS-1 9-47 lot 5877 7' 7P Sup1 door. So you can see that these cars went everywhere and you could add one to your RR.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 10:22:57 AM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


R J Dial wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.

     You're assuming they were loaded by the home road and sent to the West Coast. More likely they were loaded SOMEWHERE in the U.S. and sent there. For example, the car in Seattle might have come from LA or Houston. Car Service Rules would not encourage westward movements of those cars, of course, but after WW II, the AAR surveys found that only about 2/3 of car movements were in accord with those Rules, so there is a lot of scope for "exceptions," though they really are not even exceptions.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

erieblt2
 

Naval shipyard Bremerton received naval supplies(valves, piping turbine parts, etc. from naval assets in the east. All GE turbines/parts came out of Lynn, and Fitchburg Massachusetts. ‘Yard Bird’ Bill S.


On Jul 8, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 08:47 AM, Brian Carlson wrote:
Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  
I would agree with that statement if you added the caveat "From WWII onward,....".

We've discussed this as well, i.e., the onset of national pooling during the war, and the subsequent relevance of the Gilbert-Nelson approach to fleet composition.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


SAL flat for pulpwood loading

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
SAL flat for pulpwood loading (I think?)
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

mopacfirst
 

Where there's coal in Pennsylvania, there are oilfields in Oklahoma.  There famously was and is at least one producing well on the Capitol grounds on the near north side of OKC.

Actually, there's coal in Oklahoma too, but by the postwar era the oil and gas were much more important.  There were numerous refineries (for oil, which could have also processed the associated gas) and gas plants (for the fields that were predominantly gas).  In the late steam era, most of the shipping of refined product was by rail since long-distance pipelines were still relatively unusual.  I'm sure someone can provide many more specifics.  

The Skelgas cars were probably UTLX, also.  I believe those have been well documented.

Ron Merrick


Dump Car, Jacksonville FL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Dump Car, Jacksonville FL, on SAL, August, 1941
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob and all;

 

I see two Skelgas and at least three other (one being a UTLX), what look like ICC-105-300’s, almost certainly in compressed gas service.  Is there a production area in the vicinity?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tom;

 

I am the one who provided that research, but have been unable to verify who generated the loads, or a photo that shows stenciling for routing.

 

I suspect these may be re-purposed “silk” cars, but have not put in the time to examine various ORERs for car numbers.

 

For 1964:

 

64529, 64649, 64710, 64872, 64977, 65130, 65139, 65307, 65314, 65317, 65332, 65386;

66549; 67025, 67048;

67361, 67394;

69307, 81148, 81189

X37b

 

 

 

X37a, X37b,

 

X31a  dd

12

 

 

 

1, 4

 

3

Eqpt w/racks and hoists for hauling spools of rayon yarn on beams

 

 

Yet another research project….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of tmkprr1954 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:03 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Good Day,
I recently acquired my first ORER (January 1953) and set out to put the PRR section into a spreadsheet.
I found that 31 boxcars (X31A and X37A & B) had a note that they were equipped with "Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon".
Does anyone on the list have any references to the users of these specially equipped cars or pictures of the equipment?
I will review the other major carriers to see if there are equivalently equipped cars.

Not a large quantity o cars, but it caught my eye!

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Aha! Thank you Ike!


On 7/7/2020 9:22 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
That didn't work, I'll try to upload the drawing here...

Ike


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’ve not bought new Kadees in some time, but quite a while ago, I bought some brass 2-56 screws from McMaster-Carr that have a very flat head, < 1/16” thick.  They are slotted head, unfortunately, but I don’t think this thin a head COULD be done in a cross-point version.

 

They were not expensive at all, and M-C service meant that I had them in my hand second day later.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Wayne Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped at off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results

The 2-56 screws Kadee is now supplying with #178 (and other?) couplers have a slightly wider and flatter appearing head.  Have any of you tried them?  If so, how have they worked out?

Thanks,

Wayne Cohen


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Thank you Ike! But any chance of seeing a higher resolution drawing? I have the book on 50 foot Southern
box cars but missed out on the 40 foot cars.



On 7/7/2020 9:15 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
Although the Southern did not buy any, P-S provided information on their 40’ CUF cars, including the tests using one or two WP cars (the first with CUF?). Their first load was a shipment of boxed wine from CA to the east coast. The P-S/WP report on the trip was very successful with little or no damage to the shipment.

SF-1485 (from P-S dwg 532-F-56-A) dated 4-3-59, shows the CUF underframe arrangement.

Ike

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

tmkprr1954
 

I found I had left off the X29Bs which had 34 cars equipped to handle Rayon Spools, so the total is 68 cars equipped this way on the PRR.

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

R J Dial wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.

     You're assuming they were loaded by the home road and sent to the West Coast. More likely they were loaded SOMEWHERE in the U.S. and sent there. For example, the car in Seattle might have come from LA or Houston. Car Service Rules would not encourage westward movements of those cars, of course, but after WW II, the AAR surveys found that only about 2/3 of car movements were in accord with those Rules, so there is a lot of scope for "exceptions," though they really are not even exceptions.

Tony Thompson




Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Benjamin Hom
 

Wayne Cohen wrote:
"In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results."

Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue?  Use metal screws instead.


Ben Hom


Coupler Mounting Screws

Wayne Cohen
 
Edited

In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results

The 2-56 screws Kadee is now supplying with #178 (and other?) couplers have a slightly wider and flatter appearing head.  Have any of you tried them?  If so, how have they worked out?

Thanks,

Wayne Cohen


Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

tmkprr1954
 

Good Day,
I recently acquired my first ORER (January 1953) and set out to put the PRR section into a spreadsheet.
I found that 31 boxcars (X31A and X37A & B) had a note that they were equipped with "Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon".
Does anyone on the list have any references to the users of these specially equipped cars or pictures of the equipment?
I will review the other major carriers to see if there are equivalently equipped cars.

Not a large quantity o cars, but it caught my eye!

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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