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Re: B&M XM1 trucks

Schleigh Mike
 

Hi Clark!

You describe the B&M 71000 series (the first group) from late 1929.  Use the Red Caboose PRR X(no hyphen)29 2D-F8 (ARA Type Y) trucks.  They might be hard to find but that's the one.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, western Penna.

On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 09:59:28 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I'm really to decal a F&C early version of a B&M XM1 box car. I don't have any trucks in my inventory that match whats under the prototype. Can anyone offer me assistance?

As always thanks for any help,
CW Propst


B&M XM1 trucks

Clark Propst
 

I'm really to decal a F&C early version of a B&M XM1 box car. I don't have any trucks in my inventory that match whats under the prototype. Can anyone offer me assistance?

As always thanks for any help,
CW Propst


Barriger Library AC&F Photos

David
 

After taking a break for a year or so, some early-1940s AC&F builder's photos have been added to the Flickr page, including several USG-A 4-course tanks.

SHPX 17520: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619124151/in/album-72157649155982802/

USQX 11200 : https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619388297/in/album-72157649155982802/

NdeM 45305: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618608328/in/album-72157649155982802/

David Thompson


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Nelson Moyer
 

Sounds like the best way to way to go is to check the business listings in phone books for the year you model in the towns you model and see what you find. Another resource here in Iowa is centennial books – many towns and counties issued them in conjunction with their centennial.  While finding centennial books in public libraries has been easy, finding period phone books has been challenging.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

 

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:58 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

With all this talk of tractor loads, I'm wondering if there were regional followings for either Farmall red or John Deere green. I remember seeing mostly red in Indiana in the 1940 and 1950 on visits to the grandparent's farm. With plants in Moline and Waterloo, would John Deere be more prevalent in Iowa than Farmall?

Jim Ogden touched on this but let me add, it's more granular than that. It didn't really matter where the factory was - the factory could ship nationwide - that's why we see photos of tractors on flatcars. What really mattered is where their distributors were. You're not going to see a flatcar load of green tractors spotted at the team track ramp of a town with only an IH distributorship. That would be red tractor territory. Farmers tended to buy what they could easily get serviced. No sense buying a tractor from a dealer two towns over unless the price was really good. The overlap between territories has of course expanded as highways have gotten better, but that regionallity does still exist. Case in point, when I used to drive US 20 out to Freeport every six weeks or so, I'd pass a New Holland dealer about halfway between Rockford and Freeport. That area is the only place I ever recall seeing New Holland equipment working the fields.

Dennis Storzek

 


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

 

Don, do you have a link to the tractor available from Tractor Supply? I looked at their website but couldn't find it.

Thanks,
Dave Strahlendorf


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Douglas Harding
 

The Lifelike (now Walthers) tractor is a Farmall Super M-TA, first offered in 1954. The TA stood for Torque Amplifier, which had a two speed power shift, doubling the number of forward and reverse gears. It was a row crop tractor, ie had the narrow front end. But was also offered with the wide front end, sometimes called an orchard or vegetable tractor. The M was first offered in 1939, the Super M (more horsepower) in 1952. The M was slightly larger than the H. Attached is a photo of a load of Ms on a Waterloo Cedar Falls and Northern flatcar. The photo at Alton is a load of Hs. Note the difference in the loading positions, and the seat positions. The Alton photo also shows how the exhaust stacks were covered to prevent water from entering while in transit. Almost every farmer placed an empty tin can on the stack when they shut off the tractor. Notice the Ms have a hinged stack cover eliminating the need for the tin can.

 

Some Farmall tractors were also built at the IH plant in Louisville Kentucky. Farmall was a brand name of McCormick Deering, which was part of International Harvester.

 

The Walthers green version is foobie. Regular production Farmalls were never painted green. Nor did they look like John Deeres or Olivers (the other green tractor)

 

Oddballs at one time offered decals for the Lifelike tractor. But have been long out of production. I found a few sets last summer at a hobby shop that buys estates. Owner did not even know she had them.

 

Here are a few other Tractors I recall seeing often in Iowa:

John Deere, tractor works at Waterloo IA. Largest tractor factory in the world. Painted Green. This factory was the home of the Waterloo Boy, which John Deere purchased because their own tractor design was not working. That is how John Deere acquired the Waterloo location.

Oliver, built in Charles City, Iowa and painted green and white (a different green)

White, purchased Oliver, Cockshutt and Minneapolis-Moline and built at the Charles City IA plant

Minneapolis-Moline, built in Hopkins MN and painted yellow

Massey-Harris, made in Canada, painted red & yellow

Massey –Ferguson

Case made in Racine WI, cream and red colored.

Fords, grey or blue

Allis Chalmers, West Allis WI, an orange red color. Though some early tractors were green.

 

For more information on farm tractors go to https://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/index.html

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:58 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
With all this talk of tractor loads, I'm wondering if there were regional followings for either Farmall red or John Deere green. I remember seeing mostly red in Indiana in the 1940 and 1950 on visits to the grandparent's farm. With plants in Moline and Waterloo, would John Deere be more prevalent in Iowa than Farmall?
Jim Ogden touched on this but let me add, it's more granular than that. It didn't really matter where the factory was - the factory could ship nationwide - that's why we see photos of tractors on flatcars. What really mattered is where their distributors were. You're not going to see a flatcar load of green tractors spotted at the team track ramp of a town with only an IH distributorship. That would be red tractor territory. Farmers tended to buy what they could easily get serviced. No sense buying a tractor from a dealer two towns over unless the price was really good. The overlap between territories has of course expanded as highways have gotten better, but that regionallity does still exist. Case in point, when I used to drive US 20 out to Freeport every six weeks or so, I'd pass a New Holland dealer about halfway between Rockford and Freeport. That area is the only place I ever recall seeing New Holland equipment working the fields.

Dennis Storzek


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Donald B. Valentine
 

The Waterloo, Iowa John Deere plant sounds like the home of the "Waterloo Boy" or something 
like that, another firm that Johns Deer bought out fairly early.

The tractors I really liked first began appearing from Great Britain in the early 1960's to the East Coast 
for distribution by rail I presume (got to keep Mike happy!). These were white painted David Brown 
tractors with a fantastic gearbox. The experience behind those gearboxes was gained over the years
of buiding Aston-Martin automobiles, a company that was owned, in case you didn't know it, by David 
Brown. The tractor business was sold to Case-IH after his death some years ago and buried. That was a
shame as a David Brown was light years ahead of anything Case ever offered in my book. Never cared
for Case or Allis Chalmers at all. Farmall (IH)  was OK when they were solvent. Ford was fine as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: 1/16 x 1/16 brass angle stock

Bill Welch
 

I found this by typing "1/16”x 1/16” brass angle stock" on the eBay website. Pretty easy.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12-in-BRASS-ANGLE-1-16x1-16in-1-59x1-59mm-K-S-Engineering-815003-NEW/362961574679?hash=item5482321b17:g:R8IAAOSwa29ehk1t

Bill Welch


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

Todd Sullivan
 

Well, I never imagined that my droll post about lettering the inside of boxcars, truck sideframes, etc., would result in so many posts.  They kept me laughing all day - thanks!!

It seems that a lot more humor has been posted here and in other Web haunts over the past 2-3 weeks.  Do you suppose we are rediscovering humor and finding that being a bit goofy now and then is OK?  I mean, we don't always have to be politically correct and 100% accurate, do we?

Todd Sullivan
(with fingers in ears)



 


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

 

Jim,
  "dark"... yep... works for me. Quite funny but very valid. In the end... does anyone really care? Who among the nit pickers would challenge you... let them provide proof. Just sayin'...

Wow... I need to get out and smell fresh air.

Gordon Spalty


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Structure progress for my new railroad

Jared Harper
 

I am going to be going through my large supply of Tichy, Grandt, Walthers, and BHSanta Fe depot windows and doors  because I don't have any more structures to build.  I also have a lot of Westerfield grabirons that I won't need.  If interested I will  sell for a good price.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:32 PM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Here's a better photo of Jason's elevator and the real one.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 4:37 PM
To: Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Proto-Layouts] Structure progress for my new railroad

Clark, please tell Jason I think his elevators are awesome. 
Tom Johnson
Saint Cloud, Florida




1/16 x 1/16 brass angle stock

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
       Would anyone know of a source for 1/16”x 1/16” brass angle stock. Thank you for your help. Barry 


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Donald B. Valentine
 

Definitely Farmall's Garth of either the "H" of "M" variety and I'd lean more toward the latter. Could it be that 
the green version did not sell for Walthers so they're having a sale t move them out? I believe it has been
mentioned here before that Tractor Supply has some small tractors for $5 or less each that are not bad and
are close if not HO scale. I particularly like their small crawler which reminds me of an Oliver OC-4 that I used 
to operate when either logging or sugaring during my frequent visits to our old neighbor's after my folks sold
the farm. With a six way blade and winch on the back the OC-4 was a wonderful machine, especially for 
pulling St.J. & L.C.RR president Lew Putnam out of a 4 ft. snow drift he tried to drive his Jeep Gladiator 
through to get to the sugarhouse one spring.

Happy Spring, Don Valentine


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Nelson Moyer
 

That was the Moline plant I was referring to.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of earlyrail
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 7:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

 

All I could offer is that John Deere has a plant just across the river from Davenport, IA which MIGHT have influenced Iowa farmers?

 

Allen Cain

 

With the main John Deere plant being in Waterloo, Iowa

 

Howard Garner

 


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Ray Breyer
 

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Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

earlyrail
 

All I could offer is that John Deere has a plant just across the river from Davenport, IA which MIGHT have influenced Iowa farmers?

Allen Cain

With the main John Deere plant being in Waterloo, Iowa

Howard Garner


Re: C&NW "Route of the 400"

Jack Mullen
 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 06:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
Someone raised the question earlier this week of when the C&NW began using the 
"Route of the 400" slogan on box cars. While perusing my 1940 CarBuilders for something
else today I ran across a photo of C&NW boxcar #105598 built in Jan. 1940 clearly
displaying the slogan.
Lest there be confusion, this is a different, and earlier, form of "400" slogan used by the C&NW. Tony's original question was about the slogan  "Route of the '400' Streamliners" - note the addition of the last word - which as I  responded  in my previous post, appeared on 1949 PS-1s. In hindsight I probably should have put that slogan into my response rather than just referencing Tony's question.

Jack Mullen
 


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

Jim Gates
 

I would say that if, on a moderately to bright sunny day, you were looking at a boxcar with one open door from 87 feet away (12 inches in HO), the the color of the interior would be .. dark.

Jim Gates

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 09:54:29 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


    I have worked around, in or for railroads for well over fifty years and have never seen a boxcar
in which the inside of the door was painted in any color other than that with which the exterior of 
the car was painted, almost always a shade of brown. As far as the wood lining is concerned
other than the inside of a milk car I've never seen a car in which the wood lining was painted at all.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bob Webber
 

There were others,, and really nice tie down examples.... I was too lazy and in a hurry to do individuals... Glad something came of it!

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On Apr 17, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote: