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Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Benjamin Hom
 

Wayne Cohen wrote:
"In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results."

Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue?  Use metal screws instead.


Ben Hom


Coupler Mounting Screws

Wayne Cohen
 
Edited

In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results

The 2-56 screws Kadee is now supplying with #178 (and other?) couplers have a slightly wider and flatter appearing head.  Have any of you tried them?  If so, how have they worked out?

Thanks,

Wayne Cohen


Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

tmkprr1954
 

Good Day,
I recently acquired my first ORER (January 1953) and set out to put the PRR section into a spreadsheet.
I found that 31 boxcars (X31A and X37A & B) had a note that they were equipped with "Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon".
Does anyone on the list have any references to the users of these specially equipped cars or pictures of the equipment?
I will review the other major carriers to see if there are equivalently equipped cars.

Not a large quantity o cars, but it caught my eye!

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SOO Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SOO Boxcar

An undated photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1120289/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Possible car number is 40388.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc221689/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Couplers included, trucks optional.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Richard Townsend
 

Quite true. But to stimulate RJ's imagination, a couple of possibilities are specialty mechanical equipment of some kind, made only by a manufacturer in New England, or specialty paper made only in a New England paper mill.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: a string of SAL stock cars

Andy Miller
 

I can’t see the roof, but from the foto these cars seem very similar to PRR K8s – Pratt truss sides and horizontally slatted doors.   For many years PRR was a major stock holder in the SAL, so it may not be a coincidence. For HO SAL modelers, F&C makes a K8.

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 8:27 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] a string of SAL stock cars

 

Hi List Members,

 

Image of a string of SAL stock cars, SAL 7904 closest to camera, in 1940

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Tony Long commented, "That first car is a CRI&P car that might be from  Peninsular Car Co. with CRI&P designed swing motion trucks.

Notice that telegraph poles are painted white on the upper and not the bottom."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Brian Carlson
 

Not intending to be rude. 

go to the search box on Groups.io ad start with "Gilbert-Nelson"

You can branch off from there. 

Brian Carlson 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Rick Naylor
 

That is much more healpful, I have followed this group for many years and I would have only known to search for routing. But I'll look at the other listings as well.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
Rick,

The thing is, it has been discussed repeatedly so it is all over the archives… not in just one location. For starters, if you want to try to find the information, search “Boxcar distribution” or “Nelson Gilbert”. Pull up a chair and a beverage…

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:

I think it is more helpful to guide new members to the discussion rather than be so rude as to tell someone it was discussed years ago, and not tell them where!


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Carlson via groups.io<prrk41361@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: fixing yellowed decals

Rick Naylor
 

Try Crystal Clear sold in Walmart and Lumber supply. Decal carrier is Lacquer and an over coat of new lacquer should un-yellow the decal. If it is a Walthers it is usually the paper.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Rob & Bev Manley <robev1630@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fixing yellowed decals
 
Tim, 
This is an old vintage plastic modeler trick. Once again we learn from our military brothers.


Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 04:24:17 PM CDT, John Sykes III via groups.io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:


Sometimes it works and other times, it makes things worse.  Instead of yellow, it turns the decal brown.  This is an attempted fix of last resort.  Probably has to do with the formula of the lacquer in the decal backing.

-- John


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Bruce Smith
 

Rick,

The thing is, it has been discussed repeatedly so it is all over the archives… not in just one location. For starters, if you want to try to find the information, search “Boxcar distribution” or “Nelson Gilbert”. Pull up a chair and a beverage…

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:

I think it is more helpful to guide new members to the discussion rather than be so rude as to tell someone it was discussed years ago, and not tell them where!


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Carlson via groups.io<prrk41361@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Dave Parker
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 08:47 AM, Brian Carlson wrote:
Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  
I would agree with that statement if you added the caveat "From WWII onward,....".

We've discussed this as well, i.e., the onset of national pooling during the war, and the subsequent relevance of the Gilbert-Nelson approach to fleet composition.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Rick Naylor
 

I think it is more helpful to guide new members to the discussion rather than be so rude as to tell someone it was discussed years ago, and not tell them where!


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Brian Carlson
 

A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

radiodial868
 

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

George Eichelberger
 

Brent:

Thanks for the feedback!

To post or email a drawing, I convert the hi res tiff we make in the scan to a jpg to limit its size. If you cannot read the small dimensions on the jpg version, let me know and I’ll post the full size tiff version where folks can get to it.

Because the Southern was such a big P-S customer, and SRHA has virtually all of the Southern and CofG drawings, on hard copy and microfilm, we have many different freight and passenger car drawings from P-S, ACF, etc. In addition to the drawings, the archives also contain specs, engineering and mech dept files on the cars’ purchased and many (!) builders and in-service photos.

The SRHA archives also contain the ACL/SALHS ACL, SAL, SCL, CRR microfilm. Larry Goolsby obtained the entire CSX microfilm collection several years ago, because of lack of space in their archives at Rockt Mt., NC depot, they reside in the SRHA archives at TVRM in Chattanooga. The PRR, B&O/C&O and L&N decks have been sent to those historical groups.

Ike


On Jul 8, 2020, at 5:29 AM, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

Thanks Ike !

Brent 

Dr. J. Brent Greer

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars
 
That didn't work, I'll try to upload the drawing here...

Ike


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

David Wiggs
 

A buddy of mine built the car from ACL blueprints, so I assume he was correct in building the screen door on the left.  The attached photo also shows it on the left, with the solid door closing the doorway.  BTW, he is the curator at the Hamlet Museum in the old SAL depot and was one of those who constructed the new diarama of the Silver Meteor in 2-rail O-Scale.  A photo he provided is attached; a very nice job indeed.
 
 


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim and Friends,

Actually there were two different underframes applied to WP 1952 and 1953, apparently for evaluation.

I have the general arrangement drawing in the book FREIGHT CAR DIAGRAMS, BOXCAR, WESTERN PACIFIC RAILROAD CO. (a reprint of WP general arrangement drawings published by the Feather River Railroad Museum at Portola many years ago). Just the diagram for 1952 is included. It is a general diagram used also for their 7' PS-1 cars, though the dimensions given are for 1952 which had a 6' door. The length over end sills was 40' 8 1/4". The length over the strikers was 43' 3", giving a 15 3/8" extension of the underframe. No data on the underframe itself is given. This car was initially leased from Pullman, but was purchased by the WP in 1960.

WP 1953 was also leased from Pullman, but was later wrecked (thus it is not in the diagram book cited above). A black-and-white photo is found on page 72 of Patrick C. Dorin's WESTERN PACIFIC LOCOMOTIVES AND CARS [v. 1]. It shows solid orange sides, black lettering, and a silver feather taking up most of the car side to the left of the door. Presumably 1952 used the same paint scheme, and this scheme seems only to have been used for these two cars (a similar scheme with a silver feather all the way across the car was used for a small number of 50' single-door PS-1s, also with cushion underframes).

WP 1952 and 1953 were the only WP 40' PS-1 boxcars with 6' doors. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:13 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I will guess that it's the same 10" cushioning applied to a tiny number of Western Pacific box cars (e.g. WP 1953).

These really early cushion underframes have not been documented much in the hobby literature. The cars were built
before the SP-SRI "Hydracushion" design, or the Pullman "Hydroframe", or Evans, or other cushioned underframe designs.

I modeled the WP car with an extended coupler pocket. :-)   What else is there to do when there is no drawing?

Tim O'


On 7/7/2020 5:01 PM, Brent Greer wrote:

Friend Jim Brewer recently shared some information on various lots of PS-1 boxcars ordered by the Norfolk and Western.  One of these was for a group of only 5 cars, identified in the data as PS Lot 8160D  for five cars with the cushioned under frames.  The N&W car number series is 53995-53999 and the only information on the diagram is "sliding sill 10" rubber cushion."   My question for the knowledgeable experts in our group is "What type of cushioned under frames were these?"   Did PS have their own proprietary system, or was this something like a Duryea under frame?   And of course, I am interested in how best to model this under frame.


Any and all help appreciated,

Brent


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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