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Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Ray Breyer
 

The cars appear in the October 1926 ORER (1400-1463, 31 cars). Sadly, I don't have an ORER between 11/1917 and 10/1926.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Friday, July 10, 2020, 08:01:10 AM CDT, Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle@...> wrote:


Forgot to add they appeared sometime between 919 and 1939.


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ditto on Dexters.  What I really liked was that I could absolutely rely on the size and fit.  I bought 10½ D without even bothering to try them on.  Once they left Maine, that went to hell in a handbasket.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walter Cox via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Were Dexter shoes sold that far west? When they were actually made in Maine they were all I bought.

Walt

In a message dated 7/8/2020 9:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, drpaasch@... writes:

 

They wouldn't ship spuds or cranberries from Maine to the west coast as Washington and Idaho are spud country, and Washington and Oregon grow cranberries (Ocean Spray).  But B&M beans are THE best and certainly were shipped to the west!

Paper not likely as Washington had gobs of paper mills.  But I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

  Doug Paasch

 


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Wayne Cohen
 

Thank you Tim, and all who responded.

I haven’t snapped heads installing them; rather, they snapped in service.  Still, I think Tim is on to something.  I’ll try the new ones on one or two cars - ensuring they are only snug rather than tight - and see how they do.

The latest iteration of the Kadee has a nice appearance: slightly flatter and wider head, and matte finish as compared to the shiny old ones. Rarely any need to paint them either, of course.


Tim O’Connor wrote:
I use the Kadee screws for cases (hoppers and flats) where the length of the screw causes it to emerge
and become visible - or if it interferes with something inside the car, like a weight. I install it, and then cut it
off flush. If you're snapping them, you're over tightening them. Use a tiny drop of Loctite if you're worried
about them coming out.
--
Wayne Cohen


Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Not listed as of Sept 1919 (October ORER).  31 cars listed in series 1400 -1463 in 1925.  At least it narrows it a bit.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Weston via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

 

The Akron, Canton and Youngstown railroad owned 67 gons in the series 1400-1466 These were 40' cars rated for 40 tons. I'm trying to determine when they first appeared on the AC&Y but have no ORERs. Can someone possibly help me here? Thanks! Bob Weston


Re: NP steel boxcar

Pierre Oliver
 

It’s also know as pressure treated lumber
All that green and brown stuff for decks and fences

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Jul 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I'd like to know what "Wolmanizing" does to the lumber! :-D



On 7/6/2020 10:41 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NP steel boxcar

Ray Hutchison
 


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I'd like to know what "Wolmanizing" does to the lumber! :-D



On 7/6/2020 10:41 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Good thing that tank car was empty, or there might not even be a bridge there anymore.


On 7/8/2020 3:32 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Claus Schlund wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer in Tallahassee, FL 1964
 
 
 
   The late Warren Mayfield, who supervised wreck clearance on the P&LE for years, said that inevitably the worst accidents happened on bridges or fills, usually at night, and typically while it was raining.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Bob Weston
 

Forgot to add they appeared sometime between 919 and 1939.


AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Bob Weston
 

The Akron, Canton and Youngstown railroad owned 67 gons in the series 1400-1466 These were 40' cars rated for 40 tons. I'm trying to determine when they first appeared on the AC&Y but have no ORERs. Can someone possibly help me here? Thanks! Bob Weston


Re: NP steel boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


I'd like to know what "Wolmanizing" does to the lumber! :-D



On 7/6/2020 10:41 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Tim O'Connor
 


I use the Kadee screws for cases (hoppers and flats) where the length of the screw causes it to emerge
and become visible - or if it interferes with something inside the car, like a weight. I install it, and then cut it
off flush. If you're snapping them, you're over tightening them. Use a tiny drop of Loctite if you're worried
about them coming out.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 1:12 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Wayne Cohen wrote:
"In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results."

Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue?  Use metal screws instead.


Ben Hom

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Nelson Moyer
 

I used the Kadee plastic screws when I first started building resin kits, and two negatives soon appeared. The first problem was that occasionally a screw would freeze and trying to remove it would strip the head, which required drilling a new hole, filling it with styrene and starting over. The second problem is that the Phillips head on the Kadee screws is large, requiring a #1 Phillips screwdriver instead of the #0 screwdriver I use for metal screws. That can be a problem in tight clearance situations. It’s really quite easy to strip the plastic head, as it’s not deep enough to properly engage the screwdriver tip. I use 1-56 pan Phillips metal machine screws from FMW Fasteners in  ¼ in., 3/16 in., and 5/32 in. lengths. I ordered 500 each online, and they should last a lifetime. These screws have a deep Philips head that perfectly fits a #0 screwdriver, and I’ve ever had one fail.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

Tony,

 

That is how you cut longer bolts and treaded rod in the real world.  Always works.

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

Mont Switzer wrote:

 

Why I like the Delrin 2-56 screws is I can cut or trim them to the exact length that I want, with ease.  I've done this before and after installation with equal success.

 

      Works equally well with brass screws, Mont. Just turn a nut onto the screw above the cut, make the cut, then turn the nut back off, cleans up the thread, then file if needed. Almost as quick as with plastic.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Flood Damaged PFE Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony or anyone --

A question - Did you notice the 'diagonal' brace between the draft gear and the floor stringer? On models
these diagonals are always flat against the floor. But this one looks like it goes from the floor (and stringer)
to the end sill - not flush against the floor.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/4/2020 11:54 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Flood Damaged PFE Reefers

A 1933 photo from the UCLA Library:

https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/edu.ucla.library.specialCollections.losAngelesDailyNews%3A1054

This photo can be enlarges quite a bit. Photo editing software brings out the details.

Description: "Wreckage of train tracks and Southern Pacific box cars [sic] after record-breaking rainfall in southern California. December 31, 1933."

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

The nearest reefer appears to be PFE 9544. That would make it an R-30-5 reefer, one of 3,021 cars (series 7101-10121) built in 1909-1911 by Pullman.

Notice this car has a single grab iron on the near end side. With regard to safety appliances, interchange rules required an additional grab iron on house cars, hopper cars, and high side gondola cars built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933.

Notice how some of the siding has been stripped from the sides of the cars.

Additional photo:

https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/edu.ucla.library.specialCollections.losAngelesDailyNews%3A1053

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: D&M 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #1

James Brewer
 

Bob,

Another great build!  I believe Ted Culotta did offer decals for this group of cars as a "special" set sometime in the past.

Keep building!

Jim Brewer


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Mont Switzer
 

Tony,

 

That is how you cut longer bolts and treaded rod in the real world.  Always works.

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

Mont Switzer wrote:



Why I like the Delrin 2-56 screws is I can cut or trim them to the exact length that I want, with ease.  I've done this before and after installation with equal success.

 

      Works equally well with brass screws, Mont. Just turn a nut onto the screw above the cut, make the cut, then turn the nut back off, cleans up the thread, then file if needed. Almost as quick as with plastic.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Mont Switzer
 

Cranberries:  the folks around Warren, Wisconsin, Cranberry Museum say their state is the largest cranberry producing state in the US.

 

Idaho:  I thought they were growing french fries there.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walter Cox via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Were Dexter shoes sold that far west? When they were actually made in Maine they were all I bought.

Walt

In a message dated 7/8/2020 9:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, drpaasch@... writes:

 

They wouldn't ship spuds or cranberries from Maine to the west coast as Washington and Idaho are spud country, and Washington and Oregon grow cranberries (Ocean Spray).  But B&M beans are THE best and certainly were shipped to the west!

Paper not likely as Washington had gobs of paper mills.  But I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

  Doug Paasch

 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

One more time guys.  Prior to about 1942, there wasn't any such thing as a "free runner"

     I'm not sure what Dave based this statement on, and have looked into the history of freight car handling to see if I could see what he meant.
      I already replied that essentially the same Car Service Rules in place through the 1950s had been adopted by the AAR in 1934. But that only reflects some minor modifications at that time in the existing rules.
       I went back to E.W. Coughlin's book, _Freight Car Distribution and Car Handling in the United States_ of 1956, published by the AAR's Car Service Division, for which Coughlin worked. In discussing the Car Service Rules, he observed that freight car handling between railroads was governed by essentially the same principles and "the same Code of Car Service Rules as adopted in the closing years of the last century" [19th century].
        So effectively the first sixty years of the 20th century were governed by those rules, and though they continued in force thereafter, the widening use of Special Car Order 90 directions for direct return homeward of a growing variety of cars certainly began to erode the previous patterns of car movement.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Walter Cox
 


There were also differences in the dates that the crop matured in the various growing areas.

 

Re: Potatoes

Were the same varieties of potatoes grown in Idaho & Maine?  I’ve no idea what kinds were grown in Maine.  My image of an Idaho potato is just the Russets, but that may be more out of ignorance (maybe I should look at the bags, next time I’m in the store ;-) than any actual knowledge of what varieties are/were grown in Idaho.

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Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Walter Cox
 

Were Dexter shoes sold that far west? When they were actually made in Maine they were all I bought.
Walt

In a message dated 7/8/2020 9:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, drpaasch@... writes:

They wouldn't ship spuds or cranberries from Maine to the west coast as Washington and Idaho are spud country, and Washington and Oregon grow cranberries (Ocean Spray).  But B&M beans are THE best and certainly were shipped to the west!

Paper not likely as Washington had gobs of paper mills.  But I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

  Doug Paasch


_._,_._,_


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Tony Thompson
 

Mont Switzer wrote:

Why I like the Delrin 2-56 screws is I can cut or trim them to the exact length that I want, with ease.  I've done this before and after installation with equal success.

      Works equally well with brass screws, Mont. Just turn a nut onto the screw above the cut, make the cut, then turn the nut back off, cleans up the thread, then file if needed. Almost as quick as with plastic.

Tony Thompson



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