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Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Allen,
     Thanks very much for the scan of the MM article and these pics from RMJ, am forwarding to my friend in Ohio doing the scratchbuild. 
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Did you guys get any of this?

 

Just wondering on how irrelevant my responses may be….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Group;  To add:

 

Here is an example of the PRR’s “silk” car fleet.  Not lost on me is the car number, right next to a rayon car number of 1964. 

 

Note the interior dedicated racking equipment.  The obvious overhead rail is how the racks were slid into the channel for following movement in-car. I am not sure how and if these were modified for rayon shipment.

 

This is one of the cars recommended to Tangent for inclusion in their offering:  early X31A with transverse reservoir and early end arrangement.

 

During WW2, the silk cars would be moving to parachute manufacturers for the war effort.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Tom;

 

I am the one who provided that research, but have been unable to verify who generated the loads, or a photo that shows stenciling for routing.

 

I suspect these may be re-purposed “silk” cars, but have not put in the time to examine various ORERs for car numbers.

 

For 1964:

 

64529, 64649, 64710, 64872, 64977, 65130, 65139, 65307, 65314, 65317, 65332, 65386;

66549; 67025, 67048;

67361, 67394;

69307, 81148, 81189

X37b

 

 

 

X37a, X37b,

 

X31a  dd

12

 

 

 

1, 4

 

3

Eqpt w/racks and hoists for hauling spools of rayon yarn on beams

 

 

Yet another research project….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of tmkprr1954 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Good Day,
I recently acquired my first ORER (January 1953) and set out to put the PRR section into a spreadsheet.
I found that 31 boxcars (X31A and X37A & B) had a note that they were equipped with "Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon".
Does anyone on the list have any references to the users of these specially equipped cars or pictures of the equipment?
I will review the other major carriers to see if there are equivalently equipped cars.

Not a large quantity o cars, but it caught my eye!

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Moving Produce in 1928 On line reading via Google Books and Railway Age -

np328
 

The 1928 bound volume of Railway Age which was scanned and placed onto Google Books had numerous articles on Moving Perishables.
Yes much changed in the shipping of perishables and I and other have written on this list of the speeding up of schedules. One of my earliest enjoyable recollections was crowding into the double sized room on the NW corner of the Holiday Inn at perhaps the first or second Naperville Sunshine meet when Richard Hendrickson took us and a refrigerator car across the US with photos. 

   The University of Michigan Transportation Library was kind enough to scan up the entire 1928 version and place it online. 
So grab a beverage and find a good chair. 
Remember though, it is 1928, the stock market is great, and the future looks so bright, you might even need shades.
 
Here is a quick list of Perishable articles from around the US. 
1 Florida East Coast Perishables
2 Fruits and Vegetables shipped long distances - A look globally in the US
3 Handling and shipping fruit on the Northern Pacific - Things changed by the 40's how ever to me, still a good read.
4 Atlantic Coast Line moving Florida fruit
5 Missouri Pacific moves Texas produce
6 Frisco moving highly perishable strawberries to Kansas City / St. Louis connections 
7 New refrigerator cars for the Fruit Growers Express 
8 Icing three cars per minute on the IHB    

There are some other finds that I will list below with the links.     
My advice if you'll allow it is to start with the first overview link and just take your time and work down. You will find something for your modeled line be it railyards in Boston, new train stations like the building of Cleveland's Union Station, Rock Island, L&N, and a host of others, being in the money.  Cab Forwards for the SP, the worlds largest locomotive for a western road, other than all the railroad car info, Steam (of course) railroad car info. 

Here are the links to each topic, with a few outliers: 
With this first link, scroll down to page 2 explaining the Perishable Freight work up.
 https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PP7#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

Florida East Coast Perishables

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false

Howard Elliott obituary – New Haven, Northern Pacific President

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA65#v=onepage&q&f=false

First All Steel railcars retired

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA113#v=onepage&q&f=false

Fruits and Vegetables shipped long distances

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA153#v=onepage&q&f=false

Handling and shipping fruit on the Northern Pacific

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA253#v=onepage&q&f=false

Atlantic Coast Line moving Florida fruit

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA343#v=onepage&q&f=false

Missouri Pacific moves Texas produce

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA449#v=onepage&q&f=false

Frisco moving highly perishable strawberries to Kansas City / St. Louis connections

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA698#v=onepage&q&f=false

New refrigerator cars for the Fruit Growers Express

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA715#v=onepage&q&f=false

For those looking for a scratch building challenge, a humane livestock car

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA1017#v=onepage&q&f=false

Speculative – solid carbon dioxide refrigerator car

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA1239#v=onepage&q&f=false

Icing three cars per minute on the IHB

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA1305#v=onepage&q&f=false


Of the Howard Elliott obit, could someone pass that to the NH Historical Railroad io group?  

Hope this is worth your homebound perusal.                           Jim Dick  Roseville, MN    


 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Dave Parker
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 09:26 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.
One more time guys.  Prior to about 1942, there wasn't any such thing as a "free runner"
 
The photo that started this thread is of a B&M series 12100-12299 auto (not box) car built in 1910.  Although the photo quality is poor, it doesn't look like it dates to much more than a decade later.  In that context, I think the chances that it ended up in Florida as some sort of random routing event are zilch. 

I have not seen any Seattle photos, but the obvious examples of B&M cars in LA are in Speedwitch FOFC, vols 2 and 9.  Two cars total, both in 1936-37.  I would make the same case here:  it is very unlikely that they wandered down the coast having been loaded in Seattle.  That's much more of a 1945+ scenario.

Last, the important New England commodity that hasn't yet been mentioned is shoes, at least prior to WWII.  Hides came east, shoes went west.  IIRC, Woburn (MA) was the biggest center, which is why it's a SuperFund site today (chromium-6 problems).

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Richard Townsend
 

But as free runners they COULD have been loaded on their home road. <G>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

A while back I was delighted to find a photo of a State Of Main boxcar in San Francisco.  That justified my having one of these cars on my roster.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 7/8/20 6:26 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: SOO Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 09:41 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1120289/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Possible car number is 40388.

40388 is a good number, built by Pullman Car & Mfg. Co. 8, 9-28 Lot 5432 Series 40200 - 40598 even. The lettering scheme is as delivered with the corporate initials above the SOO LINE name.
 
Dennis Storzek


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Chuck Soule
 

Regarding toothpicks, I specifically remember there used to be a Diamond Toothpick factory just south of the intersection of Union and Center Street in Tacoma, right next to Nalley's.  So toothpicks and similar small wood items were made in the Northwest and would have a relatively low likelihood of being shipped from New England. 

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

Chuck Soule
Gig Harbor - which does not have a rail connection :(


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Allen Cain
 

Attached are some of the marketing pictures for the Rail Shop Carbon Black Car kits and an article about them from Rail Model Journal.

Allen Cain


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Allen Cain
 

Attached is the Mainline Modeler article from the May 1993 issue with drawings of a carbon black car.

Allen Cain


Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks to Tim, Doug, Claus, Lester and John for the good advice.  I was working on a softer pine desk top and tried a variety of burnishing devices, with fairly poor results.  I moved to a much harder desktop surface and tried the butt end of a wooden paint brush and my finger nail with decent results, taping down one side to allow me to see what was attaching to the paper and what was not.

 

A few more sets are on order, along with some other burnishing tools and the MS liquid decal film.  I tried Future on an early test, with middling results.  The challenge is doing a multi-color decal in layers of transfers.

 

Thanks again!

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

 


tape down the dry transfer over the spot you want (so it doesn't move)

burnish with nylon or other plastic tool

apply Microscale liquid decal film

allow to dry

If you are using the alphabet sets, and want to keep letters straight, make a line in the paper with a
knife or other tool and stay on that line. burnish - coat - dry as above.





On 7/7/2020 12:46 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

I have always struggled with using dry transfer products.  What kind of tips can anyone offer as to making successful transfers of the Clover House lettering to decal paper?  Proper burnishing techniques, etc.?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: wanting to model accuate watermelon loads

Allen Cain
 

Attached is an article from RMC which shows a method for modeling watermelons which I think is what you are looking for.

Allen Cain


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Richard Townsend
 

Because he wants an S scale model.


On Jul 8, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



WHAT? Are you saying they did the rebuilt higher capacity cars?? That's (very good) news if true!

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 10:45 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:
Is there a reason you're not seeking a Rail Shop Models kit for a Cabot Carbon Black car?  They did two versions, early and late.

Schuyler


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

akerboomk
 

RE: B&M cars.

There’s always the Jones and Lamson Machine Tool works from Springfield VT (Shipped on the Springfield Terminal)  Sending machine tools to Boeing (or some aviation supplier)?

 

Re: Potatoes

Were the same varieties of potatoes grown in Idaho & Maine?  I’ve no idea what kinds were grown in Maine.  My image of an Idaho potato is just the Russets, but that may be more out of ignorance (maybe I should look at the bags, next time I’m in the store ;-) than any actual knowledge of what varieties are/were grown in Idaho.

 

RE: National “pools” of cars

Boxcars and flat cars were truly national pools.  There’s  a bunch of instances in ORERs where the B&M was renumbering cars and had pleas to “send our cars home so they can get renumbered”.

Then there’s the saga of flat 33509:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/s/BMRRM_33509_flatcar.pdf

 

[from the B&M RR Magazine July, 1951 (vol 19 No. 7)]

 

Ken


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

BillM
 

FEC shipped potatoes from the 5th district south of Miami and also the Hastings area.

Bill Michael

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Brusgard
Sent: July 8, 2020 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Potatoes!!! 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Doug Paasch
 

Good thought on the lumber.  The PNW is almost all softwood.  Hardwoods would need to come from the east, like maple (duh!), red & white oak, black walnut, etc.  Toothpicks, clothes pins, and textiles (especially woolens) are possibilities.  And manufactured goods, too.

 

Thanks for more ideas.  This is great!

 

  Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 8:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

It is possible that specialty wood items were shipped from New England to the west coast. I’m think of turned wooden thread spools, maybe even toothpicks. Yes the PNW had much lumber, but maybe not the right species for various items. And yes there were and are plenty of paper mills here, but maybe not making the right kind of paper for specialty uses. And the idea of textiles is great. Think of those huge textile mills like in Lowell. 



On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Doug Paasch <drpaasch@...> wrote:



Thanks all for your info/ideas!

 

On Jul 8, 2020 7:29 PM, "Todd Sullivan via groups.io" <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Well, now, that's a darned sneaky solution to Doug's problem!

Todd Sullivan


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Rick Naylor
 

Alot of the BAR loads were potato's, they shipped them all over the US


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 

Tony, BAR reefers continued to be used for California produce at least into the mid 1970's.


On 7/8/2020 9:25 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Doug Paasch wrote:

I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

    Remember that for awhile in the '50's BAR loaned its reefers to PFE from June 1 to October 1. So there you are! California vegetable or oranges, fresh to Seattle!

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Tim O'Connor
 


WHAT? Are you saying they did the rebuilt higher capacity cars?? That's (very good) news if true!

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 10:45 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:
Is there a reason you're not seeking a Rail Shop Models kit for a Cabot Carbon Black car?  They did two versions, early and late.

Schuyler


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Is there a reason you're not seeking a Rail Shop Models kit for a Cabot Carbon Black car? They did two versions, early and late.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce A. Metcalf
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 4:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Carbon Black drawings?

On 7/2/20 6:02 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:

Can anyone point me to plans or drawings for a carbon black hopper?
There are scale drawings and photos in "Mainline Modeler", May 1993, beginning on page 5, by Martin Loftin.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /

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