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Re: RIVITS

 

And, of course, there are the Archer decals.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RIVITS







Bill,
Tichy has some great ones in styrene.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 9/8/2014 3:47:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:




I am working on a reincarnation of a Quality Craft composite NIckel Plate
hopper which was initially completed many years ago. I have already
received some great help from members on this list. I have been using
brass rivits in several areas of this car. They are available in many sizes
from a company called Scale Hardware. While tedious to apply they are
as good if not better than rivets made on my NWSL riveter. They are a
great compliment to the Steps that are being produced by Pierre Oliver.
While I would not do a whole tender they are great for rivets that
manufacturers
have overlooked on some of thier models.

Bill Pardie


Re: RIVITS

Charles Hladik
 

Bill,
    Tichy has some great ones in styrene.
Chuck Hladik
 

In a message dated 9/8/2014 3:47:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 


I am working on a reincarnation of a Quality Craft composite NIckel Plate
hopper which was initially completed many years ago. I have already
received some great help from members on this list. I have been using
brass rivits in several areas of this car. They are available in many sizes
from a company called Scale Hardware. While tedious to apply they are
as good if not better than rivets made on my NWSL riveter. They are a
great compliment to the Steps that are being produced by Pierre Oliver.
While I would not do a whole tender they are great for rivets that manufacturers
have overlooked on some of thier models.

Bill Pardie


RIVITS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I am working on a reincarnation of a Quality Craft composite NIckel Plate
hopper which was initially completed many years ago. I have already
received some great help from members on this list. I have been using
brass rivits in several areas of this car. They are available in many sizes
from a company called Scale Hardware. While tedious to apply they are
as good if not better than rivets made on my NWSL riveter. They are a
great compliment to the Steps that are being produced by Pierre Oliver.
While I would not do a whole tender they are great for rivets that manufacturers
have overlooked on some of thier models.

Bill Pardie


Re: Tahoe trucks w/ semiscale wheels

Andy Carlson
 

I don't understand your point, as you have shared this many times over the years. Tahoe trucks run very well, perhaps the best in the whole industry-EVER. I think over analyzing something that performs already to peak satisfaction  isn't accomplishing much. There are many areas left to joust over. All Tahoe trucks run well within the .006" range axle lengths you have noted.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: "Denny Anspach danspachmd@... [STMFC]"
To: Steam Era Freight Car List
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 9:57 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tahoe trucks w/ semiscale wheels

 
A gentle reminder: semi-scale wheel sets are definitely not  all alike, and in this regard, there is no such thing as *one size fits all!".  Although I have yet to come across any of the current semi-scale wheels that are not acceptable either with reference to appearance or contour, the shape of the ends (broad conical, or pin point), the end material (metal, or plastic) and lengths of the axles on which the wheels are mounted  can and will make a world of  difference as to how in real life they will function in any given truck application. 

The popular pin point IM sets had axles measuring 1.012-15" for years until without notice they changed manufacturers, and the axles changed significantly to 1.007-1.012"-  a significant difference. 

The Branchline semiscale pin point wheelsets (no longer available, I believe) measured 1.018"-1.020".  

The fine Kadee wheels measure a reliable 1.015", but have have relatively borad Delrin ends.

 The NWSL wheel sets have relatively broad ends. 

The pinpoint Reboxx wheels have a huge range of axle lengths (also available double insulated- a real boon for installation in metal trucks).

The combination of semiscale wheels and maximum (maximum!) real time rollability have been my gold standard benchmark for almost 12 years, and I feel that my efforts in this regard have been repaid many times over when everyday, I can admire long  strings of fine freight cars rolling effortlessly and quietly through the environs of my layout.  A lot of this has been enabled by tailoring each truck, or type of truck to maximum rollability, and this has often required wheels sets of varied axle lengths, or axles of different types. My usual standard  wheelset is Reboxx, and I keep a full supply.  Some recent 3-axle metal truck conversions worked best with an wheel sets inboard, and a Branchline set in the middle (this combination alone almost tripled the trucks tested rollability).  Other metal trucks do best with the Kadee wheels (the Delrin./metal combination can be especially good).  The Central Valley trucks work best with the pin point axles inasmuch as the angle of the conical bearing holes is narrower than the nominal NMRA angle commonly inhabiting most other trucks.

More than you really wanted to know this Monday morning....

Denny 



 

 



   
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA




Re: Tahoe trucks w/ semiscale wheels

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

A gentle reminder: semi-scale wheel sets are definitely not  all alike, and in this regard, there is no such thing as *one size fits all!".  Although I have yet to come across any of the current semi-scale wheels that are not acceptable either with reference to appearance or contour, the shape of the ends (broad conical, or pin point), the end material (metal, or plastic) and lengths of the axles on which the wheels are mounted  can and will make a world of  difference as to how in real life they will function in any given truck application. 

The popular pin point IM sets had axles measuring 1.012-15" for years until without notice they changed manufacturers, and the axles changed significantly to 1.007-1.012"-  a significant difference. 

The Branchline semiscale pin point wheelsets (no longer available, I believe) measured 1.018"-1.020".  

The fine Kadee wheels measure a reliable 1.015", but have have relatively borad Delrin ends.

 The NWSL wheel sets have relatively broad ends. 

The pinpoint Reboxx wheels have a huge range of axle lengths (also available double insulated- a real boon for installation in metal trucks).

The combination of semiscale wheels and maximum (maximum!) real time rollability have been my gold standard benchmark for almost 12 years, and I feel that my efforts in this regard have been repaid many times over when everyday, I can admire long  strings of fine freight cars rolling effortlessly and quietly through the environs of my layout.  A lot of this has been enabled by tailoring each truck, or type of truck to maximum rollability, and this has often required wheels sets of varied axle lengths, or axles of different types. My usual standard  wheelset is Reboxx, and I keep a full supply.  Some recent 3-axle metal truck conversions worked best with an wheel sets inboard, and a Branchline set in the middle (this combination alone almost tripled the trucks tested rollability).  Other metal trucks do best with the Kadee wheels (the Delrin./metal combination can be especially good).  The Central Valley trucks work best with the pin point axles inasmuch as the angle of the conical bearing holes is narrower than the nominal NMRA angle commonly inhabiting most other trucks.

More than you really wanted to know this Monday morning....

Denny 



 

 



   
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA


Re: MKT Sloan yellow box cars

 

For those looking for decals:
http://www.heraldkingdecals.com/DecalIndex.html#M
MISSOURI KANSAS TEXAS: B-194 BOXCAR: Yellow 40' (11-61) Blk Decal.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: MKT Sloan yellow box cars







Speaking of Sloan yellow cars, does someone out there know what type of
ends the double-door steel express box cars had. I have seen several
photos of the cars but none giving a clear view of the ends.

Tom Baker



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yellow box cars, and if any HO decals were ever available for these?
Either the composite O.B. or steel auto cars.

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Re: SP&S football herald

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Tom Dill tomedill@frontier.com [STMFC] wrote:

Can anyone tell me when the SP&S football herald was first used on boxcars and what series? thanks, Tom Dill
Tom,
The earliest new SP&S box cars with oval monograms were 13000-13499, built ca. 7-49, having an inside height of 10'-0". This version had sans-serif road name stencils inside the oval. Photos of new cars 13176 (W.C. Whittaker) and 13383 (Bob's Photo) document them.

Series SP&S 12500-12999 built ca. 10-11/1953 had oval monograms but were changed to serif-style road name stencils.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


SP&S football herald

tomedill@frontier.com
 

Can anyone tell me when the SP&S football herald was first used on boxcars and what series? thanks, Tom Dill


Re: NC&STL XM 32 (NOT HM 32) rebuilds

O Fenton Wells
 

Ben, Is there any heritage that goes from the NC&St.L cars to the WIF cars?  Are they related?  They look similar to me.

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Re: MKT Sloan yellow box cars

Mikebrock
 

Tpm Baker asks:

"Speaking of Sloan yellow cars, does someone out there know what type of
ends the double-door steel express box cars had. I have seen several
photos of the cars but none giving a clear view of the ends."

5/5 Dreadnaught with square corners, end doors on the A end. See:

Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol One, pg 203 and Missouri Kansas & Trexas in Color, pg 19.

Mike Brock





Speaking of Sloan yellow cars, does someone out there know what type of
ends the double-door steel express box cars had. I have seen several
photos of the cars but none giving a clear view of the ends.

Tom Baker



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Either the composite O.B. or steel auto cars.

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Re: Some images of STMFC's

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


There appear to be two lots involved: lot 9514, 175 cars and lot 9597 200 cars.

 

Did some checking, and these are probably FSKX, Fuel Supply Co. 120-494 ACF Lot 9514 built 4-7/23, to VGN H-7 3300-3670 in 1936.

David Thompson


Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Schuyler,
 
The PC and PRR microfilmed a lot of their records. These were clearly filmed and indexed by the railroads. The archives might have made copies of the original reels though. The ones I was looking at were mostly of paper records.
 
Regarding the Hagely images, I finally worked down to them in my pile of 127 new emails that accumulated since Monday and have to agree the problem is the low resolution of the image, not the quality of the original.
 
Eric
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

 

In response to Eric Neubauer . . .

Eric, are you saying that those microfilms are as supplied by the PRR? Or were they made by the State Archives?  I know that some of the records there were microfilmed by the Archives.

 

It may not be applicable in this particular case, but in looking at the PRR microfilm at the PA State Archives, a fair amount was between fair and horrible, so probably not an archives failing.

Eric N.

----- Original Message -----

To: STMFC@...

Is the Hagley intentionally publishing these with a blur filter...???
I can hardly imagine the source PRR images are in that bad shape.

Would the museum say "We've put a book/document on-line..."
..and have none of the text readable? I think not.

I'm NOT advocating publisher-quality images... those should indeed be
purchased;
but -enough- on-line resolution to read reporting marks and basic
text seems reasonable.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:48 PM 9/5/2014, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] wrote:
>Not the usual drawing view:
>http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/427/rec/144
>
>GL HOPPER CAR - PERSPECTIVE VIEW - FRAMING AND AIR BRAKE APPARATUS
>:: Pennsylvania Railroad Negatives


Re: Some {poss bad} images of STMFC's

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Al: I am asking Eric specifically about the PRR microfilms at the
Pennsylvania State Archives, not anything to do with the Hagley Museum
images.

]

Schuyler



Guys,



It could be the thumbnail low-resolution distortion, a copy neg issue, or
just a few poor prints to start with. Some were better than others. I've
had similar issues with small contact prints and then scanning at a
resolution that the grain of the paper shows up. Find the source and ask
them.



Al Kresse



In response to Eric Neubauer . . .



Eric, are you saying that those microfilms are as supplied by the PRR? Or
were they made by the State Archives? I know that some of the records there
were microfilmed by the Archives.





It may not be applicable in this particular case, but in looking at the PRR
microfilm at the PA State Archives, a fair amount was between fair and
horrible, so probably not an archives failing.



Eric N.

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Brennan brennan8@earthlink.net [STMFC]
<mailto:brennan8@earthlink.net%20[STMFC]>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Cc: pictorial@hagley.org

Is the Hagley intentionally publishing these with a blur filter...???
I can hardly imagine the source PRR images are in that bad shape.



Would the museum say "We've put a book/document on-line..."
..and have none of the text readable? I think not.



I'm NOT advocating publisher-quality images... those should indeed be
purchased;
but -enough- on-line resolution to read reporting marks and basic
text seems reasonable.



--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------



At 03:48 PM 9/5/2014, jaydeet2001@yahoo.com [STMFC] wrote:
Not the usual drawing view:
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id
/427/rec/144

GL HOPPER CAR - PERSPECTIVE VIEW - FRAMING AND AIR BRAKE APPARATUS
:: Pennsylvania Railroad Negatives


Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

water.kresse@...
 

Guys,
There are programs out there that let you look at higher resolution images through there site, but you can only copy at thumbnail resolution.  I believe the Hagley folks only assisted in a one-time organizing the collections via the ConRail connection with PennCentral and Uncle Sam's monies involved to archive a Federal venture.  These Pennsy web releases seem to be more current.  Just guessing.
 
This is new stuff.  Try to find a lot of good old stuff . . . . and when you do nobody knows where it is.
 
Al Kresse
 
 


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:42:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

 

It may not be applicable in this particular case, but in looking at the PRR microfilm at the PA State Archives, a fair amount was between fair and horrible, so probably not an archives failing.
 
Eric N.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

 

Is the Hagley intentionally publishing these with a blur filter...???
I can hardly imagine the source PRR images are in that bad shape.


Would the museum say "We've put a book/document on-line..."
..and have none of the text readable? I think not.

I'm NOT advocating publisher-quality images... those should indeed be
purchased;
but -enough- on-line resolution to read reporting marks and basic
text seems reasonable.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:48 PM 9/5/2014, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] wrote:
>Not the usual drawing view:
>http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/427/rec/144
>
>GL HOPPER CAR - PERSPECTIVE VIEW - FRAMING AND AIR BRAKE APPARATUS
>:: Pennsylvania Railroad Negatives



Re: Some {poss bad} images of STMFC's

water.kresse@...
 


Guys,
 
It could be the thumbnail low-resolution distortion, a copy neg issue, or just a few poor prints to start with.  Some were better than others.  I've had similar issues with small contact prints and then scanning at a resolution that the grain of the paper shows up.  Find the source and ask them.
 
Al Kresse


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 4:07:45 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

 

In response to Eric Neubauer . . .

 

Eric, are you saying that those microfilms are as supplied by the PRR? Or were they made by the State Archives?  I know that some of the records there were microfilmed by the Archives.

 

 

It may not be applicable in this particular case, but in looking at the PRR microfilm at the PA State Archives, a fair amount was between fair and horrible, so probably not an archives failing.

 

Eric N.

 

----- Original Message -----

To: STMFC@...

Is the Hagley intentionally publishing these with a blur filter...???
I can hardly imagine the source PRR images are in that bad shape.


Would the museum say "We've put a book/document on-line..."
..and have none of the text readable? I think not.

I'm NOT advocating publisher-quality images... those should indeed be
purchased;
but -enough- on-line resolution to read reporting marks and basic
text seems reasonable.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:48 PM 9/5/2014, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] wrote:
>Not the usual drawing view:
>http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/427/rec/144
>
>GL HOPPER CAR - PERSPECTIVE VIEW - FRAMING AND AIR BRAKE APPARATUS
>:: Pennsylvania Railroad Negatives



Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

Schuyler Larrabee
 

In response to Eric Neubauer . . .

 

Eric, are you saying that those microfilms are as supplied by the PRR? Or were they made by the State Archives?  I know that some of the records there were microfilmed by the Archives.

 

 

It may not be applicable in this particular case, but in looking at the PRR microfilm at the PA State Archives, a fair amount was between fair and horrible, so probably not an archives failing.

 

Eric N.

 

----- Original Message -----

Is the Hagley intentionally publishing these with a blur filter...???
I can hardly imagine the source PRR images are in that bad shape.

Would the museum say "We've put a book/document on-line..."
..and have none of the text readable? I think not.

I'm NOT advocating publisher-quality images... those should indeed be
purchased;
but -enough- on-line resolution to read reporting marks and basic
text seems reasonable.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:48 PM 9/5/2014, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] wrote:
>Not the usual drawing view:
>http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/427/rec/144
>
>GL HOPPER CAR - PERSPECTIVE VIEW - FRAMING AND AIR BRAKE APPARATUS
>:: Pennsylvania Railroad Negatives


Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

It may not be applicable in this particular case, but in looking at the PRR microfilm at the PA State Archives, a fair amount was between fair and horrible, so probably not an archives failing.
 
Eric N.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Some {bad} images of STMFC's

 

Is the Hagley intentionally publishing these with a blur filter...???
I can hardly imagine the source PRR images are in that bad shape.

Would the museum say "We've put a book/document on-line..."
..and have none of the text readable? I think not.

I'm NOT advocating publisher-quality images... those should indeed be
purchased;
but -enough- on-line resolution to read reporting marks and basic
text seems reasonable.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:48 PM 9/5/2014, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] wrote:
>Not the usual drawing view:
>http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/427/rec/144
>
>GL HOPPER CAR - PERSPECTIVE VIEW - FRAMING AND AIR BRAKE APPARATUS
>:: Pennsylvania Railroad Negatives


Re: Tahoe trucks w/ semiscale wheels

Mark Steigerwald
 


What proportion smooth to rib back wheels?

gary laakso
 

I just ordered some set of the TruLine Train wheel sets, an equal order of smooth and rib back wheels.  Is there any data out there showing the portions of each at any year in the late 1930s or early 1940s?  The Great Northern Freight Car Diagrams book issued around that time do not mention the type of wheel.  By the 1955 edition, they are and most are “1 Wear”.  That suggests the rib backs were being changed out to I Wear.  Though, given GN’s sense of thrift, if the 1 Wear cost more, it was a slow conversion! 
I found no information on wheel sets in the Northern Pacific diagrams reviewed. 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: Tahoe trucks w/ semiscale wheels

midrly
 

Have you seen Rapido Trains'  HO Code 88 wheelsets?  I like the "wrought steel" look of the plates of the backs of the wheelsets.  These are nice sets that I've refitted a few of my STMFC's with.  Sold in boxes of fifty as well as twelve-packs.

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