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Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Bill Welch
 

Fenton, I thought the Southern's 40-ft DD steel cars had Hutchins roofs w/an underframe very different than those used in the 1937 design. Sunshine's kit# 55.5 modeled the 272000 series.

Bill Welch


Re: Need PS-2 data

Rick Jesionowski
 

A lot of these cars went off the home roads, in my area alone the Ann Arbor had a raft of these cars, half were in service to the Dundee Cement Plant in Dundee Michigan and the rest furnished sand from Yuma, MI to the Ford Engine Casting Plants in Lima and Cleveland, Ohio.

The Detroit and Toledo Shoreline cars were also in sand service to the same locations from their sand pit in Rockland, MI.

The Wabash served a sand pit in Wolcottville, IN and shipped the sand to various concrete plants in Northwestern, Ohio as their sand was approved by ODOT for use in concrete on Highway Projects.

The NKP serviced the Diamond Shamrock plant and send Soda Ash and other Soda products all over the country using the smaller cars and as car size increased they substituted the newer cars as Soda Ash was a lighter product.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

O Fenton Wells
 

Mike the Southern cars were 10'-4" IH, other than that they are spot on.

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Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Tim O'Connor
 

SAL 22000-22449 ( two groups)
That's it Mike. That's all there ever was. And before you ask, the S-corner
version also had only one owner -- Soo Line.

If you have it, they're covered in Railmodel Journal, January 1998 pp.28-31,
Richard Hendrickson article.

Tim O'


RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

Perhaps this question has been asked and answered but please allow me to pursue, "What are the proper prototypes for this 4/5 Dreadnaught end car?"  It seems likely that it is essentially the 1937 (10 foot IH) car with a nominal 12'-2" door opening, "W" corner posts.  A quick look at some of the ready references presents----
        
        SAL 22000-22449 ( two groups)
        SOU 272000-272999

There are other possibilities with 5/5 ends, sq. corner ends, other roofs, etcetera.  Perhaps any option requires a review and change of the underframe-side features.  RC offered LV and NP (and other) painted versions but these two seem not grounded in ORER reality (1946, 1958).  So....what are the good prototypes?

Grateful regards----Mike
        


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Same here.  Great to see Ted Culotta back in business again, and looking forward to more of his wonderful contributions.

Cheers!


Re: Speedwitch's "Freight Cars in Context" Mystery

Bill Welch
 

No the mystery is the singular location of the photos in the book

Bill Welch


Re: Need PS-2 data

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Mark,

Clark is right on this. Most of the railroad-owned cars were in cement service (PS-2s, AC&Fs and clones) , and couldn't be used for anything else without a major overhaul and cleaning. That was what they were originally designed for. Cement being a plentiful commodity throughout most of the country, they usually didn't stray off their home roads much.

There were exceptions though. I remember seeing and shooting a lot of C&O and related cars when I first came to Virginia that carried sand out of Dilwyn. AFAIK, all of the WP's small fleet of PS-2s were in dedicated limestone service from mines west of Salt Lake City to the U.S. Steel plant at Geneva. It wasn't until the 1970s that some appeared regularly in California in company sand service. Some Southern and even N&W cars carried titanium products out of Piney River, VA on the Virginia Blue Ridge. Any railroad-owned cars dedicated to special commodities would have been tightly controlled to keep them from being contaminated by loading with other products.

Many private owners were also single-commodity cars, especially those carrying bulk chemicals, running on regular routes to major factories of their owners or leasees (think of the Boraxo cars).

Very few of these hoppers carried grain-type products. The big exceptions was Central Soya (CSX reporting marks!) which wore billboard "McMillan-Feed-Mills" splashed across their sides. Another exception were the 7 NAHX cars leased to Quaker Oats. Once again, these cars probably ran on pretty specific routes. The role of general grain carriers really fell to the slightly later 47' PS-2s and their competitors.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 8/28/14 9:14 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
 

Many of these car were in cement service and would stay within a certain region, many hardly ever left home rails. To model these, find decals for the road you model. Cars carrying other ladings may have traveled farther for home. Like SE road’s Phosphate cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: ADMIN: STMFC Policing policies

Ed
 

Mike,

Hopefully this finds its way only to your address.  I now understand the policy but I have seen little enforcement of the "trim your posts" policy.  It is a major headache for those of us who receive msgs via daily compilations.  If you could tighten up on that it would be greatly appreciated.  By the way, aren't all of the responses to your message on this topic also off-topic and warrant a reminder?

Ed Robinson


Re: height of Owl Mtn. lumber load

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi Tony and List Members,

I've been reading the various posts on this topic with interest.

I'd like to ask, in your opinion, could this lumber load kit be reduced in width and height to produce a reasonably proportioned lumber load in N scale? Remember, N scale is very roughly half the size of HO.

Naturally, in N scale the kit would represent larger timbers.

     Certainly possible but not easy. Height control lis simple, just use fewer panels, but width would require cutting every panel. If it worked to cut the width in HALF, that might be a great way to get twice as many panels.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Need PS-2 data

mopacfirst
 

Forgive me for answering off the top of my head, but I'm not near my magazine collection now.

 

The 1991 series was inspired (here's what you can do with....) on the MDC and similar two-bay cars, while the 1998 series I believe was inspired by the Bowser and Kato iterations of the same prototypes.

 

Later, when the Walthers and Athearn three-bay cars were produced in near-proximity timewise, there was another series of probably three parts on the three-bay.  I used to butcher two MDC cars into three-bays, but never did that to any of the more recent models.

 

Somewhat off-topic, but I used to use a 3M 'yellow sticky' at the top edge of each issue, or more if needed, to flag freight car articles.  The magazines lived, and still do, in magazine files.  Too bad nothing comes in the door any more for me to flag like that....

 

Ron Merrick


Re: height of Owl Mtn. lumber load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Tony and List Members,

I've been reading the various posts on this topic with interest.

I'd like to ask, in your opinion, could this lumber load kit be reduced in width and height to produce a reasonably proportioned lumber load in N scale? Remember, N scale is very roughly half the size of HO.

Naturally, in N scale the kit would represent larger timbers.

Claus Schlund


-------- Original message --------
From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
Date:08/28/2014 12:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC , Espee List
Subject: [STMFC] height of Owl Mtn. lumber load

       Awhile back, concern was expressed about the size of the loads. I have completed my kit, and the top of the lumber is about as tall as a 1937 AAR box car. I include a photo demonstrating that in my follow-on blog post about these loads. If you're interested, it is at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/08/open-car-loads-completing-owl-mountains.html

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: CLASSIC METAL WORKS NEEDS PROTOTYPE INFORMATION

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

There are all sorts of 1/32 model prewar items that could be produced in HO scale out there. For example I found a 37 Studebaker, a 33 Chevy coupe, a 35, 37, 39 Chevy Utility pickup etc. and the list goes on. I would think these items could be made. As you can see I'm not interested in anything after '41 and I have your one or two models made before then.

--

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Speedwitch's "Freight Cars in Context" Mystery

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 09:17 AM 8/28/2014, Bill Welch [STMFC] wrote:
Through the years I have acquired four of the photos in the new book "Freight Cars in Context" and will be curious to see if anyone can sort out the location of the photos.
Is the first part of the mystery: Which four photos?


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Speedwitch's "Freight Cars in Context" Mystery

Bill Welch
 

Through the years I have acquired four of the photos in the new book "Freight Cars in Context" and will be curious to see if anyone can sort out the location of the photos.


Bill Welch

 


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch

Craig Zeni
 

I as well...great looking stuff and looking forward to more...

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


height of Owl Mtn. lumber load

Tony Thompson
 

Awhile back, concern was expressed about the size of the loads. I have completed my kit, and the top of the lumber is about as tall as a 1937 AAR box car. I include a photo demonstrating that in my follow-on blog post about these loads. If you're interested, it is at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/08/open-car-loads-completing-owl-mountains.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Yes James I got mine today excellent quality as usual with Teds products. Good Luck Ted hope it goes really well for you.

Paul Doggett

 England


CLASSIC METAL WORKS NEEDS PROTOTYPE INFORMATION

Bill Giacci
 

Hello all -

Classic Metal Works is completing the tooling for an HO scale 1960 Ford truck project which will be available in pickups, utility, stake bed, flat bed etc. We are looking for prototype information preferable color photos or diagrams with color call outs would be excellent. We are seeking information for the following railroads -


- PRR

- NYC RR

- SP RR

- UP RR

- C&NW

- GREAT NORTHERN RR

- BURLINGTON RR

- MILW RR

- SOO LINE

- NORFOLK & WESTERN RR

- ROCK ISLAND

- PENN CENTRAL

- D&RGW RR

- WESTERN PACIFIC RR

- BURLINGTON RR

- C&O RR

- B&O RR

- NICKEL PLATE RR

- CANADIAN PACIFIC

- CANADIAN NATIONAL

- OTHER IDEAS!


Once production is underway, we will provide samples gratis to those who provided the information.

Thanks in advance!
Bill Giacci



Re: Need PS-2 data

Clark Propst
 

Many of these car were in cement service and would stay within a certain region, many hardly ever left home rails. To model these, find decals for the road you model. Cars carrying other ladings may have traveled farther for home. Like SE road’s Phosphate cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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