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Re: Trust Plates

Dennis Storzek
 

But since the purpose of the trust plate was so the bank could identify its assets, and prevent them from being sold to unsuspecting third parties, the harder to remove, the better. Of course, as time went on, searchable public filings of the record of the assets made the actual plate a formality, and painting was deemed acceptable.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Trust Plates

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Each trust expired at some point at which time the trust plates were presumably removed. Bolts would be nicer than rivets when that occurred. Since about the late 1970s, even the trust stencils have been replaced with a standard disclaimer indicating that actual ownership information is filed with the ICC/STB.
 
Eric N.
 

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I think the painted trust info was a later development. Originally, trust information was found on cast metal plates that were riveted onto the car side.

      On both SP and PFE, they were bolted, not riveted. Of course it would look the same on a model.

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Re: RPC 2 and 5

Dave Sarther
 

 
Matt,
 
I should have said that I am interested in RPCYC #2 at the stated price plus postage.
 
Thanks,
Dave Sarther
 
 

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From: 'Mat Thompson' ocrr@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:36 am
Subject: [STMFC] RPC 2 and 5

 
I have RPC 2 and 5 in excellent condition. $32 each, U. S. book rate postage paid.
 
Contact me off line if you are interested.
 
 
Mat Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mat Thompson' ocrr@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:36 am
Subject: [STMFC] RPC 2 and 5

 
I have RPC 2 and 5 in excellent condition. $32 each, U. S. book rate postage paid.
 
Contact me off line if you are interested.
 
 
Mat Thompson
 
 
 
 


Re: RPC 2 and 5

Dave Sarther
 

Matt,
 
I should have said that I am interested in RPCYC #2 at the stated price plus postage.
 
Thanks,
Dave Sarther
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mat Thompson' ocrr@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:36 am
Subject: [STMFC] RPC 2 and 5

 
I have RPC 2 and 5 in excellent condition. $32 each, U. S. book rate postage paid.
 
Contact me off line if you are interested.
 
 
Mat Thompson
 
 
 
 


Re: Trust Plates

Tony Thompson
 

I think the painted trust info was a later development. Originally, trust information was found on cast metal plates that were riveted onto the car side.

      On both SP and PFE, they were bolted, not riveted. Of course it would look the same on a model.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Trust Plates

naptownprr
 

I think the painted trust info was a later development. Originally,
trust information was found on cast metal plates that were riveted onto
the car side.

Jim


Quoting "water.kresse@comcast.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>:

Were not most on freight cars just painted with stencils?
Al Kresse
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trust Plates

 


Actually, it sounds like a job for those UV printers that were being
discussed recently ;)  And could it be done by 3D printing?



Regards

Bruce




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On Aug 26, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net
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Chuck

This is a job for ARCHER! :-)

Seriously, trust plates are now commonly printed in exquisite detail on many
RTR models from China. So the printing technology definitely exists.

Lets all send photos of trust plates to Archer until they submit to
our demands! :-)

Tim O'Connor




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Shame on me. I realize I have not been putting trust plates on cars
that need them.

I'm thinking bits of typing paper affixed before painting.   Should I
use something

rougher to look like print?

Suggestions?

Chuck Peck





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Re: Trust Plates

Charles Peck
 

Ok, Archer sounds good.  How much uniformity in size are trust plates? All similar
I seem to recall.   And while we are at it, how about that little plate with the 
brake rigging diagram?  Or is that too new for this group?  I can't remember
when I first noticed those. 
Chuck Peck


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Chuck

This is a job for ARCHER! :-)

Seriously, trust plates are now commonly printed in exquisite detail on many
RTR models from China. So the printing technology definitely exists.

Lets all send photos of trust plates to Archer until they submit to our demands! :-)

Tim O'Connor



>Shame on me. I realize I have not been putting trust plates on cars that need them.
>
>I'm thinking bits of typing paper affixed before painting. Should I use something
>
>rougher to look like print?
>
>Suggestions?
>
>Chuck Peck



Re: Trust Plates

water.kresse@...
 

Were not most on freight cars just painted with stencils?
Al Kresse


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trust Plates

 

Actually, it sounds like a job for those UV printers that were being discussed recently ;)  And could it be done by 3D printing?


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Aug 26, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Chuck

This is a job for ARCHER! :-)

Seriously, trust plates are now commonly printed in exquisite detail on many
RTR models from China. So the printing technology definitely exists.

Lets all send photos of trust plates to Archer until they submit to our demands! :-)

Tim O'Connor



Shame on me. I realize I have not been putting trust plates on cars that need them.

I'm thinking bits of typing paper affixed before painting.   Should I use something

rougher to look like print?

Suggestions?

Chuck Peck



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Re: Trust Plates

Bruce Smith
 

Actually, it sounds like a job for those UV printers that were being discussed recently ;)  And could it be done by 3D printing?

Regards

Bruce


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On Aug 26, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Chuck

This is a job for ARCHER! :-)

Seriously, trust plates are now commonly printed in exquisite detail on many
RTR models from China. So the printing technology definitely exists.

Lets all send photos of trust plates to Archer until they submit to our demands! :-)

Tim O'Connor



Shame on me. I realize I have not been putting trust plates on cars that need them.

I'm thinking bits of typing paper affixed before painting.   Should I use something

rougher to look like print?

Suggestions?

Chuck Peck



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Re: Trust Plates

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck

This is a job for ARCHER! :-)

Seriously, trust plates are now commonly printed in exquisite detail on many
RTR models from China. So the printing technology definitely exists.

Lets all send photos of trust plates to Archer until they submit to our demands! :-)

Tim O'Connor

Shame on me. I realize I have not been putting trust plates on cars that need them.

I'm thinking bits of typing paper affixed before painting. Should I use something

rougher to look like print?

Suggestions?

Chuck Peck


Re: Question on the former PE B-50-13 cars relettered to SP

Charlie Duckworth
 

Tony
Appreciate the information on both the brakes and painting.

Charlie Duckworth 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Nice photo of PRR 50' X44 boxcar (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Good point, Ben!

I suspect that this car is waiting in line for the rebuilding the other X44 car just got done with. Numerous X44 got shopped (after the timeframe of this list) for a complete rebuild in that timeframe, which would make this car at LEAST 13 years since its last repaint (if ever).

Elden Gatwood

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Elden Gatwood wrote:

"I talked with some PRR car guys back when about why some of these cars got so bad. Their reply was that some PRR cars never came "home", but just kept circulating off-line for years and years. I can buy that."

In the case of the auto parts cars, they were in constant use, with retooling at the auto plants offering the only downtime to update racks or fixtures or conduct other major maintenance.


Ben Hom




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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Nice photo of PRR 50' X44 boxcar (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Tim;

You are absolutely right. I did a completely rusted X29B, that I used various red, brown, brown/black, blue, and finally orange on my fingertip, to get the depth of rust and color that the photo (a great Paul Winters shot) rendered. I am still staring at two other shots to try and figure out what to do on them. One has me completely stymied!

Oh, and BTW, I would encourage anyone with the time to go back and look at John Dziobko's Godfather rails site, and take a look at some of the cars in the fifties. There is a substantial amount of good stuff to look long and hard at.

Elden Gatwood

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That's a tough color to render -- that purplish coloration of steel.
To model that I'd probably use a light base coat of oxide and then a
weathering overcoat, and gently rub away some of the overcoat with
sanding sticks to simulate the door abrasion. Not a trivial project!

Tim O'Connor




Here's another nice shot, of a very ugly PRR X44 (XAP) with an auto parts assignment code:

http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=2466 <http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=2466>

I actually really love cars with this depth of weathering. Anyone going to dress up their Branchline X44 to look like this? This one should be easier than the last "challenge" I made, to the PRRT&HS membership!


Looks a lot like a Hendrickson Pennsy weathering job.

Tony Thompson



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Re: Nice photo of PRR 50' X44 boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood wrote:


"I talked with some PRR car guys back when about why some of these cars got so bad. Their reply was that some PRR cars never came "home", but just kept circulating off-line for years and years. I can buy that."
 
In the case of the auto parts cars, they were in constant use, with retooling at the auto plants offering the only downtime to update racks or fixtures or conduct other major maintenance.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Nice photo of PRR 50' X44 boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


That's a tough color to render -- that purplish coloration of steel.
To model that I'd probably use a light base coat of oxide and then a
weathering overcoat, and gently rub away some of the overcoat with
sanding sticks to simulate the door abrasion. Not a trivial project!

Tim O'Connor


Here's another nice shot, of a very ugly PRR X44 (XAP) with an auto parts assignment code:

http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=2466

I actually really love cars with this depth of weathering. Anyone going to dress up their Branchline X44 to look like this? This one should be easier than the last "challenge" I made, to the PRRT&HS membership!

       Looks a lot like a Hendrickson Pennsy weathering job.

Tony Thompson   


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Nice photo of PRR 50' X44 boxcar (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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I talked with some PRR car guys back when about why some of these cars got so bad. Their reply was that some PRR cars never came "home", but just kept circulating off-line for years and years. I can buy that.

Elden Gatwood

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That X44 reminds me of the express-service X29s I used to see in New Orleans in the early 1960s. Those cars were around all the time, and I knew enough to know they belonged to the Pennsy even when their reporting marks were obscured. But it was years before I knew what color they'd been painted underneath all that dirt.


So long,


Andy




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Re: Dalman 1 level trucks

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Also the G-50-9. :-)

I just looked at my G-50-12 and sure enough, a Dalman 1-level with 4 springs
(actual springs!) I'm sure Mr Hendrickson would be appalled, as he was no fan
of see-through springs.

If Martin had some, I am surprised... But perhaps he and Al Ichelson did some
horse trading, since Challenger imported brass copies of the Sunshine B-50-15
and B-50-12A box cars.

Tim O'Connor

Mike:

Challenger produced models of the SP G-50-10 through 12 gondolas. They did two versions.
AS I recall one had Dalman level 1 and the other Dalman level 2 trucks. I recall that this was
referred to in their ads in Mainline MOdeler. This is possibly the source for the trucks that
Martin gave out. A search of the ads in the MM magazines might clarify this.

Bill Pardie


Re: Trust Plates

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

For really realistic plates, etched brass plates can’t be beat.  Several folks make them, and of course, then you can get into the vagaries of what trust and who held it and all that .  IIRC, Ted Culotta had a set in his New Haven box car decal set.

Regards

Bruce


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On Aug 26, 2014, at 1:27 PM, lnnrr152@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Shame on me. I realize I have not been putting trust plates on cars that need them.

I'm thinking bits of typing paper affixed before painting.   Should I use something

rougher to look like print?

Suggestions?

Chuck Peck





Trust Plates

Charles Peck
 

Shame on me. I realize I have not been putting trust plates on cars that need them.

I'm thinking bits of typing paper affixed before painting.   Should I use something

rougher to look like print?

Suggestions?

Chuck Peck


Re: Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar

Schleigh Mike
 

Tim O' says----"
Now to find a 5/6/5 door...

See if you have any of Richard's WestRail early style 6' Youngstown corrugated doors
.
They are 5-6-5.


Regards----Mike



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