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Re: ADMIN: Termination of messages including manufacturer practices

Jared Harper
 

Ooo, the list police just woke up.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Hoarders

Chuck Soule
 

I seem to recall a Bill McClanahan cartoon...I believe it was in his Scenery book.  It showed a model rail at his work bench with a hoard of boxes underneath, and a caption that went something like, "He's a typical model rail, with a hundred kits he plans to build someday."

Chuck Soule


Re: Question on DSS&A paint

Dennis Storzek
 

The car at the museum IS an ex-NYC car... and the color thy chose is as good as any I could recommend.

Dennis


Re: Question on DSS&A paint

Charlie Duckworth
 

Dennis
I hadn't applied any of the AB brake parts so thanks for the details on where to mount everything for the DSS&A car.  The shots of the car in the museum show the car to be painted in an oxide paint - is this correct for the ex-NYC car?

Charlie Duckworth   


ADMIN: Termination of messages including manufacturer practices

Mikebrock
 

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

Two members of the STMFC have been spared this morning from being escorted down to the Moderate Jail [ shudder ]. This act is due to the members using Daily Digest which probably means that they did NOT see the termination message for the thread including references to manufacturer practices which are clearly against the STMFC rules.

STMFC Rules:

"Personal attacks on other members, manufacturers or prototype modeling
events is expressly prohibited
and may result in
expulsion from the group. Members are expected to conduct themselves in a
gentlemanly manner. Personal attacks on anyone including non members is not
permitted.

Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free
from criticism from other members. Criticism of a manufacturer's business
practices is, however, not within the scope of the group."

The out of scope message:

"Actually, the present marketing strategy of those manufacturers importing models promotes hoarding."

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner, Head Judge etc.


Re: ACC question

Scott H. Haycock
 

Tim

In the Loctite kit I'm referring to, The activator and primer are the same thing. The Cypox system has a separate primer and activator. It is available from Mike Rose Hobbies: http://www.mrhobby.com/store.php/MikeRoseHobbies/ct63404/cypox_bonding_agents
 



Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 


That sounds like a primer. Doesn't primer go on first, and then
activator when the pieces are joined?


Tim O'





Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

Tim O'Connor
 

ZZZ
Bill Welch

Bill

oh sure, if it was a "y'all railroad" you'd be all over it :-)

I heard Exactrail's next model is an FGE truss rod reefer.




hah! I bet that got your pulse going! just kidding.

Tim


Re: ACC question

Tim O'Connor
 


That sounds like a primer. Doesn't primer go on first, and then
activator when the pieces are joined?

Tim O'


Fenton

Loctite makes a superglue kit that comes with a tube of "activator" that you apply to both surfaces, wait 30 seconds, then apply the super glue. It is readily available at hardware and big box home centers that carry Loctite products. Auto parts stores probably have it as well.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment


Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

Tom Madden
 

> ZZZ
>
> Bill Welch

No, I'm pretty sure it's HO.

Tom Madden


Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

Tim O'Connor
 

David I think you are correct -- the UP F-50-15's were the only ones.

Tim O'Connor

As far as I know, the 42' cast flat was unique to UP. New Haven had some 40' GSC flats, N&W had some 48-footers, and PRR and LV had the older-design F30a/d flats, but I think those are it for conventional flats under 53'.

David Thompson


Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

Bill Welch
 

ZZZ

Bill Welch


Re: Those damn kits!

Dave Nelson
 

 

 



Charlie Vlk writes in part:

"I do not see the advent of high level RTR “Checkbook” cars as being detrimental in any way to the Hobby."

 

Greg Martin replies

I see escalating cost and retail prices as a huge detriment to our hobby. There is a point when the bubble breaks and the committed modeler says he's done. Even the "Checkbook' modelers have some sense. There are quite a few new offerings that I just have said no to, I can make do without. If I never bought another freight car kit or RTR "Checkbook model" today I could find enough to do and never finish them all, the my Grandsons would lots of kits to build. If I need thirty to forty PRR X29s for starters and I had to pay 30+ dollars for each "checkbook kit' do the math, I will certainly blend the fleet with some of the old TMI/WKW X29s. My, my...

[DHN:] This is why I switched to computer simulated “model railroading”.  It makes use of all of same the knowledge I have accumulated over the years about railroads, operations, and equipment… it requires “painting, albeit with light, it requires modeling, albeit in 3d Cad.  Aside from the expense of a fairly powerful PC, which I probably would own anyway, annual expenses for me over the last ten years is on the order of $40-50.

I have a dozen routes --think layouts-- I can operate on (most folks have 2 or 3 times that number), dozens of locomotives, hundreds of freight cars.

Speaking of freight cars, sims can broaden your interest into areas not found in traditional physical MR… I was asking Guy Wilber about coupler tests because my freight car files do have data for coupler strength and there are break-in-twos.  There is also data for rolling resistance the train air line and car brake equipment too.  And so it’s not enough to just put the model on the tracks… you have to know something about real world physics too (and that’s even more true for locomotives).

I know many of the criticism of train sims and on the whole most are true – there are indeed a lot of poorly crafted models, but there are also many very finely done models available if you look for them (including some very nice X29’s). Ten years of improving quality does make a difference. And a lot of people complain that operating on a full 110 mile division can be boring when you’re doing it a 12 inches to the foot, which can be true, but OTOH there are also a variety of shortline routes that serve very well by the virtue of their small size (my current project is the Milwaukee Road’s Division St yard on Goose Island, Chicago, ca 1950.  It’s about 4 miles long).

Perhaps the biggest complaint is you just can’t pick up your models.  True enough.  But I can have my entire collection of “layouts and equipment in a space no larger than my PC and for my $400-500 of spending over 10 years I have the equivalent of what would probably cost $50,000, or more. So my checkbook is considerably fatter than had I staid in physical model railroading.

I’m not lookin’ back.

 

Dave Nelson

Owner/admin Elvastower.com


Hoarders

Clark Propst
 

Someone used the magic word in an earlier posting. It’s natural for the ‘have nots’ to accuse the ‘haves’ of hoarding. Actually, the present marketing strategy of those manufacturers importing models promotes hoarding. ‘By now or never get it’.
Or, should we call it collecting? Used to be brass hoarders were know as collectors. But, let’s face it. How many of the guys you used to see walking out of Martin’s sales room at Naperville with a stack of kits under their arms ever bring any of those kits back as built models on the display tables? A few, true. Possibly when the number of stored resin kits exceeds the logical time you have to build them you might be a hoarder? Logical? What’s logic have to do with this?
 
I was talking to Stan Rydarowicz this morning. He sells several meat packer’s decals and has a reefer kit to go with them (see how this works Armand?). He said he was at a show where a fella wanted to buy a set of his meat packers decals. Stan asked what the guy was going to put them on. He said a ___ Sunshine kit. Stan says that’s the wrong car. The fella replies “I know”. Stan offers to sell him his kit, but the fella refuses. Stan tells me this morning “I could see it if he was using the decals on an Athearn reefer, but on expensive kit?”...after a pause Stan says “Sometimes people puzzle me” !!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland - NOT!

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <omahaduck@...> wrote :

Dennis
"Thanks for the links. I'll order a set of DSS&A decals from Andrew."

Oh, cool. The world needs more models of DSS&A equipment :-)

Given the late date you are modeling, you are going to want to model the conversion to AB brake equipment. Pay attention to the photos of the car at the Mid-Continent museum that I linked. The AAR recommended practice was to NOT locate the control valve below the door, or within 6' to either side, IIRC, to protect it from wagons or trucks backing into it when unloading the car. The shop forces at Marquette, on the other hand, couldn't see the sense in cutting holes through the deep center sills for the pipes, and so mounted the reservoir on the brake cylinder side, and the control valve right next to the reservoir, with a stout steel plate riveted to the side sill to protect the valve. I've seen photos of this on more than one car, but unfortunately never took any measurements.

Dennis Storzek


Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

David
 

As far as I know, the 42' cast flat was unique to UP. New Haven had some 40' GSC flats, N&W had some 48-footers, and PRR and LV had the older-design F30a/d flats, but I think those are it for conventional flats under 53'.

David Thompson


Re: ACC question

O Fenton Wells
 

I've heard a lot about it but have not tried it.  Any particular type or all they  all the same?
Thanks Fenton


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Denny Anspach danspachmd@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

The easy solution is Barge cement. One stays between the lines by only applying it through a ,060" hole drilled though the apex of the cap (stoppered by a T pin or similar). It is about the most common alternative cement that I turn to in most kit building, and has been so for years.

Denny




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Re: ACC question

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

The easy solution is Barge cement. One stays between the lines by only applying it through a ,060" hole drilled though the apex of the cap (stoppered by a T pin or similar). It is about the most common alternative cement that I turn to in most kit building, and has been so for years.

Denny


Trading up

Clark Propst
 

I have a friend that likes to keep his boxes up to date. [He doesn’t and probably never will have a layout, but enjoys collecting and fantasizing] Lets follow the path of some Milwaukee ribside cars he buys.
Lets start with him purchasing several Ribside Cars kits for around $18 each. Sorry to say, he falls into that klutz category. At least he admits it. He breaks parts off RTR trying to get them out of their boxes. So we already know those kits will never be built. Along comes Intermountain and Exact Rail with RTR versions costing around $30. To keep a handle on his inventory he sells the Ribside Cars kits to another fella for $8-10 each. This guy enjoys building freight car kits and is also a cheap skate. He’s happy to take the kits off his hands and sets to work building them all. They’ve been running on his layout for years now. That fella has a small fleet of Roundhouse ridsides that are now surplus. He sells them off to his operating crew for $4-5 each.
 
Let see...
Our ‘checkbook modeler’ spend around $45-50 a car with a return of $8-10 (he probably got $4-5 for however many Roundhouse ribsides he had in the beginning).Total cash outlay $35ish. He’s happy with his new ‘state of the art’ Milwaukee signature fleet.
The kit builder/operator/cheap skate spent $8-10 for kits he got the enjoyment from building and using during ops twice a week. His return from selling his Roundhouse cars was $4-5. His cash outlay was only $5.
The operators that picked up the Roundhouse cars for $4-5 are happy with their new weathered models, sporting Kadees and steel wheels. If they ever choose to part with their models they’ll get their $4-5 back.
Sounds like all my friends are happy campers – Because none are Prototype Geeks like this group  ;  ))
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Craig Zeni
 

On Aug 4, 2014, at 4:15 AM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:
8a. Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability
Posted by: "North Model Railroad Supplies" nmrs@optusnet.com.au atsfsd26
Date: Mon Aug 4, 2014 1:15 am ((PDT))

They should move to a made to order business plan like most industries.
Buying because you "may need it some day" sounds like the story line on
hoarders.
Mark Rickert
HEY!

How'd you get in my basement?


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: New Exact Rail HO Union Pacific Flat Car

Clark Propst
 

Do you plan on releasing other paint schemes? Or, is your model UP specific?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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