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Re: L&NE and CNJ 50 ton hoppers -- appropriate models?

Brian LaManna
 

Ed and list,
Thank you very much for the thorough response! I realized that the answers were probably already in the article in RRPCYC Vol 25, but I'm still learning all the terminology and minutiae of classic freight cars and sometimes I get lost in the details.
I'm pleased to hear that the Kadee model IS good for the CRP/CNJ hoppers and I'll pick some up as they become available. Regarding the LNE car, I'm not sure if Kadee would be interested in tooling up a new end for a car that was found on three roads, but I think I'll fire them off an email anyway and see.
Again, I appreciate all the amazing amount of research and knowledge the members of this list bring to the party and I'm grateful to take it all in.
Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB
To: STMFC@...
From: prrk41361@...
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 20:53:49 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] L&NE and CNJ 50 ton hoppers -- appropriate models?


























Ed: I don't know if you have Kadee's ear but I for one would love to see

them produce the closely spaced Z section end. I'd buy lots of the B&O cars,

and the P&S.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.



Cheektowaga, NY



While the LNE had some cars with the same sides, they used a different

end arrangement than the Kadee model. It would require a new pair of

ends having closely-spaced Z-section end posts. With the same new pair

of ends, the Kadee model would be also accurate for several thousand

B&O N-41/N-44 cars with conventional AAR-type underframes in addition

to one series for P&S.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins























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Re: Tankcar Challange

proto48er
 

Just a couple more comments - I think the dome pressure vents on the Type 19 tank cars as-built in 1919 and 1920 were on top of the dome, on the "B" side of the dome lid. Also, the cars had only one ladder and platform to the dome, and it was on the side of the car that you face when the "B" end is to your right. The museum car conforms with this, but the vents appear to be of a newer design.

The Type 19 underframe differed from the Type 17 underframe in that the end sills were "tapered" downward on the Type 17 underframes, but were straight 9" channels on the Type 19 cars. The Type 19 underframe had a wood plank butting up to the back of the end sill and level with the top of the end sill. The Type 19 underframe was almost exactly like the Type 21 underframe, except that the wood walkway sat on top of the 9" channel end sills on the Type 21, not abutted to the back of them! More than you wanted to know!

Lot 8712 is the first mention of the "Type 19" tank car in the lot number book.

As for the number of cars ordered from 12/1918 to 8/1919, there were in lots from Lot 8655 to Lot 8712 (57 lots). For 12/1919 to 8/1920, there were cars built in lots from Lot 8807 to Lot 9063 (256 lots). Thus there was a good deal more business for AC&F in the later period than there was in the 12/1918 to 8/1919 period, so it is conceivable that the North American Car Co. cars could have started being built immediately upon being ordered.

Ed Hawkins knows more about this, I'll bet!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Guys -

I think this tank car has the "AC&F Type 19" underframe. The tank style is similar to the tanks built in 1919 and 1920 by AC&F. The 8,000 gallon capacity ARA Type III tank built by AC&F during these two years had the almost exact configuration of the tank of the preserved car.

By comparison to a known tank car lot of 300 cars ordered on 12/17/19 that were built by AC&F in 1920 (one car in builder's photo about 45 cars into the order blt 7/1920), it probably took AC&F a couple of months to build the car in question.

Using the built date of 7/1920 on the preserved car, examination of the AC&F Order Book strongly suggests the following candidates (all 8,000 gallon tank cars) for the original owner of the car:

- Lot 8657 (30) White Eagle Petroleum Co. tank cars ordered 12/4/18

- Lot 8661 (3) Smethport Extract Co. 50-T 8,000 gal tank cars ordered 1/19/1919

- Lot 8670 (15) Magnolia Petroleum 40-T ? gallon tank cars ordered 4/16/1919

- Lot 8678 (10) Akin Gasoline Co. 40-T 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 5/9/1919

- Lot 8684 (2) Kendall Refining Co. 40-T 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 6/5/1919

- Lot 8708 (2) Kendall Refining Co. 40-T 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 7/25/1919

- Lot 8712 (50) North American Car Co. 40-T "Type 19" 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 7/30/1919

Since Doug has indicated that the history of one of the predecessor companies of PTCX traced back to North American Car, I would vote for the car being from Lot 8712. However, based on the order date and the built date on the car, the car at the museum must have been (a) the first car in the series and (b) business at AC&F must have been VERY slow in 1919! ALSO - Lot 8712 is the first mention of a "Type 19" tank car in the listing!

Just my 2 cents on the subject!

A.T. Kott

Re: Polishing Styrene and other model materials

Charles Happel
 

My favorite technique is to wet sand with either 400 or 600 waterproof aluminum oxide paper, as the water serves to lubricate and eliminate scratches.

Chuck Happel



"The most persistent threat to freedom, to the rights of Americans, is fear."

- George Meany (1894-1980)

--- On Thu, 5/30/13, hvyweight41 <hvyweight41@...> wrote:

From: hvyweight41 <hvyweight41@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Polishing Styrene and other model materials
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, May 30, 2013, 6:41 PM
















 









Good evening all. I have read many articles and posts about modifying kits and kit bashing. I am getting ready to embark on my first projects and I was wondering if anyone has some tips for polishing styrene or other materials (I.e., resin) after details are removed? Things like molded on hand grabs and ladders need to be removed. Scraping off details will result in a rougher surface than the original molded part. I will be painting or burnishing Bare Metal foil onto car bodies and such. I would like the finish to be consistent across the surface. Any hints or tips?



Thanks,

Keith Kempster

Jacksonville, FL



























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Re: Tankcar Challange

proto48er
 

Guys -

I think this tank car has the "AC&F Type 19" underframe. The tank style is similar to the tanks built in 1919 and 1920 by AC&F. The 8,000 gallon capacity ARA Type III tank built by AC&F during these two years had the almost exact configuration of the tank of the preserved car.

By comparison to a known tank car lot of 300 cars ordered on 12/17/19 that were built by AC&F in 1920 (one car in builder's photo about 45 cars into the order blt 7/1920), it probably took AC&F a couple of months to build the car in question.

Using the built date of 7/1920 on the preserved car, examination of the AC&F Order Book strongly suggests the following candidates (all 8,000 gallon tank cars) for the original owner of the car:

- Lot 8657 (30) White Eagle Petroleum Co. tank cars ordered 12/4/18

- Lot 8661 (3) Smethport Extract Co. 50-T 8,000 gal tank cars ordered 1/19/1919

- Lot 8670 (15) Magnolia Petroleum 40-T ? gallon tank cars ordered 4/16/1919

- Lot 8678 (10) Akin Gasoline Co. 40-T 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 5/9/1919

- Lot 8684 (2) Kendall Refining Co. 40-T 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 6/5/1919

- Lot 8708 (2) Kendall Refining Co. 40-T 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 7/25/1919

- Lot 8712 (50) North American Car Co. 40-T "Type 19" 8,000 gallon tank cars ordered 7/30/1919

Since Doug has indicated that the history of one of the predecessor companies of PTCX traced back to North American Car, I would vote for the car being from Lot 8712. However, based on the order date and the built date on the car, the car at the museum must have been (a) the first car in the series and (b) business at AC&F must have been VERY slow in 1919! ALSO - Lot 8712 is the first mention of a "Type 19" tank car in the listing!

Just my 2 cents on the subject!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:

OK, enough aeroplanes. I've got a freightcar question.

On the Railway Preservation News discussion board there is a question as to the origins of a tankcar presently at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum in North Judson, Indiana. The car was last used by the Walter Haffner Company, who dealt in animal by-products... yuck! Anyway, the museum would like to restore/repaint the car for an earlier era, and in general would like to nail down its history. One thought they had is since the car rides on Vulcan trucks with NYC cast in the sideframes, that the car is ex-NYC, but that really doesn't seem likely (it's possible) and it's not unusual for used trucks to make their way into service in the lease fleets.

Here's what is known so far:

AAR III, Built by AC&F 7/1919, last tested by Keith Tank Line at Longview TX 4/30/54. The last reporting marks were WCHX 1114, previous mark was PTCX 1103.

Photos are in the discussion at RyPN.org, I don't think you need to be registered to view the discusston at this link:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35047

If you read through the thread, you'll see I make quite the case for collaborating with the modeling fraternity, since modelers seem to do considerably more in depth research than the railway meseums do, simply because the museum folks are pre-occupied with just preserving and maintaining the stuff. Let's show them what we can do. I'm sure any information we can add, even general histories of the car design or fleets it was in would be appreciated.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Polishing Styrene and other model materials

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Keith, You will be doing a lot of sanding and filing. When you feel you have the right amount of detail removed, apply putty to the divots in the body casting; then sand them smooth. This is usually done with very fine sand paper to finish the work area. When you are satisfied with the results, try rubbing with 0000 steel wool to polish the plastic or resin. Wash all the parts before you reassemble it. Fred FreitasBennington, VT

--- On Thu, 5/30/13, hvyweight41 <hvyweight41@...> wrote:

From: hvyweight41 <hvyweight41@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Polishing Styrene and other model materials
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, May 30, 2013, 7:41 PM
















 









Good evening all. I have read many articles and posts about modifying kits and kit bashing. I am getting ready to embark on my first projects and I was wondering if anyone has some tips for polishing styrene or other materials (I.e., resin) after details are removed? Things like molded on hand grabs and ladders need to be removed. Scraping off details will result in a rougher surface than the original molded part. I will be painting or burnishing Bare Metal foil onto car bodies and such. I would like the finish to be consistent across the surface. Any hints or tips?



Thanks,

Keith Kempster

Jacksonville, FL



























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Polishing Styrene and other model materials

hvyweight41
 

Good evening all. I have read many articles and posts about modifying kits and kit bashing. I am getting ready to embark on my first projects and I was wondering if anyone has some tips for polishing styrene or other materials (I.e., resin) after details are removed? Things like molded on hand grabs and ladders need to be removed. Scraping off details will result in a rougher surface than the original molded part. I will be painting or burnishing Bare Metal foil onto car bodies and such. I would like the finish to be consistent across the surface. Any hints or tips?

Thanks,
Keith Kempster
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Tichy Caboose Truck : Model Photos

John Degnan
 

Richard,

I actually did see mention of your article and actually looked at it... but had just forgotten about it. Will look again. Thanks for the reminder.


John Degnan
@Scaler164
Scaler187@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 06:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy Caboose Truck : Model Photos


John, you need to pay closer attention to the lest. My article on HO scale trucks, which has been mentioned here several times, is on the internet at

<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wMkpBYUw1RjhmRkE/edit?pli=1>

It includes very good photos of all the Tichy caboose trucks (and many other HO scale freight car trucks as well).

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Tankcar Challenge

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 30, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

The reporting marks PCTX were assigned to the Poultry Transit Co.
1/1945-4/1947, then Poultry Transit Inc. 1/1950

WCHX was assigned to WC Haffner in 1/1945, then to Walter Haffner Co.
4/1947-7-1005

As the car was last used for animal by-products, it is quite possible it was
in similar service for earlier owner Poultry Transit Co.

Here is an interesting history of the Poultry Transit Co.
http://www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/

It indicates that Poultry Transit Co. was formed in 1944 as a spin off by
North American Car Co. who had acquired Live Poultry Transit Co. in 1930.
North American's acquired North Judson (Ind) car repair shops in 1927, which
were located along the NYC, (ie the possible source of the trucks?). North
Judson apparently repaired tank cars, reefers and poultry cars.

To go further back: Live Poultry Transportation Co. predecessor to Live
Poultry Transit Co., owned approximately 700 cars, which were acquired by
International Equipment Co. and leased back to the newly formed Live Poultry
Transit Co. in 1913.
That's all very interesting, Doug, but I didn't mention the Poultry Transit Co. in my earlier e-mail because they never owned any tank cars. Their cars were all live chicken cars and both the cars and the reporting marks were gone from the ORERs by 10/50 because the cars had been retired. So they obviously weren't the owners of the tank car in question.

Richard Hendrickson

More Rapido "steam era" stuff...

Jason Shron
 

Hi guys,

I don't know if Bill has mentioned this yet, but we've officially announced our new Canuck gon. It was built from 1943 through the 1950s.

Full info is in our newsletter:

http://www.rapidotrains.com/rapidonewscurrent.html

and the web page is here:

http://www.rapidotrains.com/gon.html

We're calling it the "Ultimate Canadian Gon" until we bring it out in a bunch of fake US schemes, at which point it will likely be the "Ultimate Not Remotely Accurate Gon" or something similar.

The newsletter also contains an update on the "where the heck is the" 1937 GARX Meat Reefer. Actually (shock and horror) the supposedly final sample is en route to Bill right now.

Thanks,

Jason

Re: Tichy Caboose Truck : Model Photos

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 30, 2013, at 2:42 PM, John Degnan <@Scaler164> wrote:

Does anyone have any models equipped with the Tichy # 3051 Caboose Truck?

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3051/Default.aspx

The photo on the Tichy site leave a LOT to be desired, so I'd like to see some photos of some models with this truck clearly showing.
John, you need to pay closer attention to the lest. My article on HO scale trucks, which has been mentioned here several times, is on the internet at

<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wMkpBYUw1RjhmRkE/edit?pli=1>

It includes very good photos of all the Tichy caboose trucks (and many other HO scale freight car trucks as well).

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Tankcar Challange

Tony Thompson
 

Small point: the car is an ARA III spec, NOT an AAR car. The ARA handled tank car specs until 1927, when it went over to the ICC -- which is well before the formation of the AAR. Older cars were correctly stenciled with the identity of the spec under which they were built, in this case ARA III. There WAS no spec called AAR III.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Tichy Caboose Truck : Model Photos

John Degnan
 

Does anyone have any models equipped with the Tichy # 3051 Caboose Truck?

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3051/Default.aspx

The photo on the Tichy site leave a LOT to be desired, so I'd like to see some photos of some models with this truck clearly showing.

Thanks.


John Degnan
@Scaler164
Scaler187@...

Re: Tankcar Challenge

Douglas Harding
 

The reporting marks PCTX were assigned to the Poultry Transit Co.
1/1945-4/1947, then Poultry Transit Inc. 1/1950

WCHX was assigned to WC Haffner in 1/1945, then to Walter Haffner Co.
4/1947-7-1005



As the car was last used for animal by-products, it is quite possible it was
in similar service for earlier owner Poultry Transit Co.



Here is an interesting history of the Poultry Transit Co.
http://www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/

It indicates that Poultry Transit Co. was formed in 1944 as a spin off by
North American Car Co. who had acquired Live Poultry Transit Co. in 1930.
North American's acquired North Judson (Ind) car repair shops in 1927, which
were located along the NYC, (ie the possible source of the trucks?). North
Judson apparently repaired tank cars, reefers and poultry cars.



To go further back: Live Poultry Transportation Co. predecessor to Live
Poultry Transit Co., owned approximately 700 cars, which were acquired by
International Equipment Co. and leased back to the newly formed Live Poultry
Transit Co. in 1913.

http://books.google.com/books?id=5WHXAAAAMAAJ
<http://books.google.com/books?id=5WHXAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=%22poul
try+transit+co.%22&source=bl&ots=ZGsz-My0_f&sig=g4jsehcvOw6ckVlRX1UabX49CGw&
hl=en&sa=X&ei=5LGnUe6ZBorK0wGL44HQDg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22poultry%
20transit%20co.%22&f=false>
&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=%22poultry+transit+co.%22&source=bl&ots=ZGsz-My0_f&si
g=g4jsehcvOw6ckVlRX1UabX49CGw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5LGnUe6ZBorK0wGL44HQDg&ved=0CC4Q
6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22poultry%20transit%20co.%22&f=false



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Tankcar Challange

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 30, 2013, at 11:03 AM, soolinehistory <destorzek@...> wrote:

OK, enough aeroplanes. I've got a freightcar question.

On the Railway Preservation News discussion board there is a question as to the origins of a tankcar presently at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum in North Judson, Indiana. The car was last used by the Walter Haffner Company, who dealt in animal by-products... yuck! Anyway, the museum would like to restore/repaint the car for an earlier era, and in general would like to nail down its history. One thought they had is since the car rides on Vulcan trucks with NYC cast in the sideframes, that the car is ex-NYC, but that really doesn't seem likely (it's possible) and it's not unusual for used trucks to make their way into service in the lease fleets.

Here's what is known so far:

AAR III, Built by AC&F 7/1919, last tested by Keith Tank Line at Longview TX 4/30/54. The last reporting marks were WCHX 1114, previous mark was PTCX 1103.

Photos are in the discussion at RyPN.org, I don't think you need to be registered to view the discusston at this link:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35047

If you read through the thread, you'll see I make quite the case for collaborating with the modeling fraternity, since modelers seem to do considerably more in depth research than the railway meseums do, simply because the museum folks are pre-occupied with just preserving and maintaining the stuff. Let's show them what we can do. I'm sure any information we can add, even general histories of the car design or fleets it was in would be appreciated.

Dennis, the car in question is an 8,000 gal. AC&F Type 17 built, as the stenciling says, in July, 1919. And that is the original AC&F underframe with AB air brake equipment replacing its original KC brakes. This car would originally have had two safety valves on an elbow attached to the dome, but they were doubtless removed and the hole plated over when the car was converted to carry non-regulatory commodities in the late 1950s; note the frangible disk relief valve on top of the dome. We know the car wasn't used for regulatory commodities much after 1954, since that's the last pressure test date. Cars used for non-regulatory commodities were not required to be pressure tested. As several people who contributed to the discussion pointed out, the fact that the truck side frames were originally cast for the New York Central is of no significance; most Type 17s were delivered with arch bar trucks which were, of course, required to be replaced on cars in interchange by 1941, and the original trucks were often replaced with second hand trucks. The Keith Railway Equipment Co. operated its own tank car fleet, but their extensive shops at Longview, TX performed tests and maintenance on cars for many tank car owners. PTCX were the reporting marks of the People's Transportation Co. of New Orleans, LA and first appeared in the Official Railway Equipment Registers in the mid-1960s showing six cars numbered 1101-1106. The ORERs provide no data about People's Transportation Co. or the commodities their cars carried, but someone with access to a major business affairs library might be able to track down more information. Their tank car fleet was short lived, as it appeared in the 10/65 ORER but was absent from the 10/67 ORER. I have no clue about who owned the PTCX cars before People's Transportation acquired them second hand, but there might some evidence for that on the car itself. The Walter Haffner Co., originally of Chicago, first appeared in the ORERs at the end of World War II with a fleet of almost 200 tank cars operating under WCHX reporting marks, mostly if not entirely second hand. By the '60s they had relocated their headquarters to Mobile, AL and operated a sizable tank car fleet. It appears that their cars carried a lot more than animal by-products, as they had insulated cars, high pressure cars. cars with aluminum tanks, etc. Photographic evidence indicates that most, if not all, of these cars continued to be acquired second (or third or fourth) hand.


Richard Hendrickson

Re: { SPAM 2 }: Re: Shipping a plane on TOP of a boxcar?

Al Campbell
 

If this took place in B&A country, anytime before June or after September.
From other parts of the country northern Maine winters last nine months.
:) Kinda like Northern Minnesota only colder. Al Campbell

Re: Tankcar Challange (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Dennis;

I agree with what some of the more...rational members of that blog posted. It indeed looks like an AC&F pre-Type-21 AAR III (later - 103) tank car, with the 5-sheet radial riveted top courses and single sheet bottom, fairly typical 2% dome and safety valve set-up, and what looks an awful lot like an AC&F u/f of that time period, with a more modern AB brake eqpt conversion. I don't think these cars were that unusual, but this is a nice example. Given its type and features, this may have been purchased for petroleum service, and the PTCX ownership may be a lead. I don't have my AC&F tank car book handy, but suspect there may be one or more examples in there, since this was a very common type. I agree those trucks look to be cast-offs. Sorry I have no info on the earlier owner.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of soolinehistory
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Tankcar Challange



OK, enough aeroplanes. I've got a freightcar question.

On the Railway Preservation News discussion board there is a question as to the origins of a tankcar presently at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum in North Judson, Indiana. The car was last used by the Walter Haffner Company, who dealt in animal by-products... yuck! Anyway, the museum would like to restore/repaint the car for an earlier era, and in general would like to nail down its history. One thought they had is since the car rides on Vulcan trucks with NYC cast in the sideframes, that the car is ex-NYC, but that really doesn't seem likely (it's possible) and it's not unusual for used trucks to make their way into service in the lease fleets.

Here's what is known so far:

AAR III, Built by AC&F 7/1919, last tested by Keith Tank Line at Longview TX 4/30/54. The last reporting marks were WCHX 1114, previous mark was PTCX 1103.

Photos are in the discussion at RyPN.org, I don't think you need to be registered to view the discusston at this link:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35047

If you read through the thread, you'll see I make quite the case for collaborating with the modeling fraternity, since modelers seem to do considerably more in depth research than the railway meseums do, simply because the museum folks are pre-occupied with just preserving and maintaining the stuff. Let's show them what we can do. I'm sure any information we can add, even general histories of the car design or fleets it was in would be appreciated.

Dennis Storzek





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Tankcar Challange

Dennis Storzek
 

OK, enough aeroplanes. I've got a freightcar question.

On the Railway Preservation News discussion board there is a question as to the origins of a tankcar presently at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum in North Judson, Indiana. The car was last used by the Walter Haffner Company, who dealt in animal by-products... yuck! Anyway, the museum would like to restore/repaint the car for an earlier era, and in general would like to nail down its history. One thought they had is since the car rides on Vulcan trucks with NYC cast in the sideframes, that the car is ex-NYC, but that really doesn't seem likely (it's possible) and it's not unusual for used trucks to make their way into service in the lease fleets.

Here's what is known so far:

AAR III, Built by AC&F 7/1919, last tested by Keith Tank Line at Longview TX 4/30/54. The last reporting marks were WCHX 1114, previous mark was PTCX 1103.

Photos are in the discussion at RyPN.org, I don't think you need to be registered to view the discusston at this link:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35047

If you read through the thread, you'll see I make quite the case for collaborating with the modeling fraternity, since modelers seem to do considerably more in depth research than the railway meseums do, simply because the museum folks are pre-occupied with just preserving and maintaining the stuff. Let's show them what we can do. I'm sure any information we can add, even general histories of the car design or fleets it was in would be appreciated.

Dennis Storzek

{Disarmed} RE: { SPAM 2 }: Re: Shipping a plane on TOP of a boxcar?

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote:

On 5/30/2013 9:39 AM, Jeff Shultz wrote:
I wonder if it was one of those publicity stunt things
While that's a good guess I'm going to say that because the plane
belongs to the freight company, E.W. Wiggins, the plane is being
transported and it's not a stunt.
This is fun!:-)

Why? It's the perfect tie-in... boxcars carry freight... the airplane carries freight... especially during the thirties, when the idea of shipping anything other than mail by air was unheard of.

I also wonder about the arched board that shows in one photo... could it be a runway for a camera? Perhaps they had been filming a short to be distributed to the area movie houses to play with the newsreels.

How was the film of the race between the Cincinnati & Lake Erie "Red Devil" high speed car and the airplane distributed in 1930?

Dennis

Re: {Disarmed} RE: { SPAM 2 }: Re: Shipping a plane on TOP of a boxcar?

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 5/30/2013 9:39 AM, Jeff Shultz wrote:
I wonder if it was one of those publicity stunt things
While that's a good guess I'm going to say that because the plane
belongs to the freight company, E.W. Wiggins, the plane is being
transported and it's not a stunt.
This is fun!:-)

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: {Disarmed} RE: { SPAM 2 }: Re: Shipping a plane on TOP of a boxcar?

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

I wonder if it was one of those publicity stunt things, where they landed
the plane on top of the boxcar as the train was moving?

I've seen them land a Cub on top of a pickup truck with a platform on it.

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Steve and Barb Hile
<shile@...>wrote:

**


And that the ramp down is from one boxcar while the platform is on another.

Interestingly, they are Bangor and Aroostook boxcars and the plane is
lettered for a commercial guy who flies in the Northeast, including places
in Maine.

The guys doing the unloading (note the way everyone is facing on the down
ramp shot) are pretty well dressed for laborers, but it must be cold.

Regards,

Steve Hile

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:15 AM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: { SPAM 2 }:[STMFC] Re: Shipping a plane on TOP of a boxcar?

I'll add that there seems to be a pretty significant wood platform on the
roof of the car. It's hard to tell if the Cub is being brought up from the
ground, or lowered to the ground in the photo with it on the ramp. Weird.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

On May 30, 2013, at 5:52 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Nick Fry wrote:
"Take a gander here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/855954353/pic/list

We found these photos at the Barriger Library while cataloging our
new B&A collection. No caption on the back.

I thought you all would find them interesting, if someone has this at
RPM East next year I'm buying them a drink.

If anyone has any ideas about what's going on, please let me know."

No way the aircraft was shipped on top of this boxcar as it wouldn't
make clearances. However, aircraft factories before WWII weren't
necessarily set up for efficient manufacturing (Ford's Willow Run
B-24 plant was still years in the future), with assembly facilities
often set up on the second floor of buildings. (Brewster in Long
Island City was a notorious case as their inefficient arrangement
contributed to their difficulties meeting wartime production.) I
have a photo of the wing assembly of the Spirit of St. Louis being
lowered from the second floor of Ryan Aircraft in San Diego in using
a Santa Fe automobile car as an intermediate platform. (Charles
Lindbergh is seen in the photo helping to push the car out of the
way.)

This aircraft is a Piper Cub. Here's a photo of Piper's Lock Haven,
PA facility:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Piper_1930s_Picture.jpg

I couldn't find anything on the layout of this factory, but the photos
could be documenting an event similar to that of the Ryan photo. I
did find a website of the Piper Aviation Museum in Lock Haven, who
might be able to shed more light on their manufacturing facility
setup.
http://www.pipermuseum.com/

Ben Hom



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