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Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

Do you mean narrower side-to-side or up-and-down? Both are possible.

Tim O'

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From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>

Larry Kline wrote:
"The ends on the Precision Scale model are rather inaccurate models of
the Standard Railway Equipment R-3-4 end."

I referred to the ends on the model as r+3/4 ends (lower case) because
of the narrow top rib vice the wider ribs shown on the the other
cars. ("R" is used to denote the rectangular top rib.)

Ben Hom



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Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Now that we've identified the model as 1948+ postwar 10'6" -- there were quite a few possible
prototypes (if you ignore the particular door applied to the model). RDG as Larry said, and also
KCS, RI, SOU, WAB off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others as well. In HO scale both
Branchline and Red Caboose brought out highly accurate models of such cars.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Kline" <lndkline@...>

Brad and group,

I believe that the Precision Scale model shown in the ebay listing is intended to be a model of a postwar AAR boxcar with a Standard Railway Equipment diagonal panel roof, Standard Railway Equipment R-3-4 ends, and a Superior 7 panel door.

As far as I know, based on an unpublished Ed Hawkins roster, the only prototype for the model is the RDG 107000-107499 series built in 10-1948. See Ed's article in the November 1990 issue of Railmodel Journal, pp 60-63. The article is available online:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/23/1732/november-1990-page-60
There is a photo of RDG 107449 on page 62:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/23/1734/november-1990-page-62

The ends on the Precision Scale model are rather inaccurate models of the Standard Railway Equipment R-3-4 end. I uploaded an image with a scan of the Precision Scale O scale end, a photo of a much more accurate Atlas O scale end, and a crop from an ACF builders photo that shows the R-3-4 end on PRR X43a 602000. The file is in a new album called: O scale SRE R-3-4 end models. The file name is: PSC Atlas and prototype R-3-4 IDEs. A straight on photo of a R-3-4 end would be a nice addition to this album. I don't have one.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Brad Andonian
 

Gentlemen,
Again my thanks to the responses and help from the Group---   bravo and awesome!    I am so glad I found this resource.
 
Sincerely,
Brad Andonian


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From: Larry Kline <lndkline@...>
To: STMFC list <STMFC@...>
Cc: Brad Andonian <cereshill@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars


Brad and group,

I believe that the Precision Scale model shown in the ebay listing is intended to be a model of a postwar AAR boxcar with a Standard Railway Equipment diagonal panel roof, Standard Railway Equipment  R-3-4 ends, and a Superior 7 panel door.

As far as I know, based on an unpublished Ed Hawkins roster, the only prototype for the model is the RDG 107000-107499 series built in 10-1948. See Ed's article in the November 1990 issue of Railmodel Journal, pp 60-63. The article is available online:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/23/1732/november-1990-page-60
There is a photo of RDG 107449 on page 62:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/23/1734/november-1990-page-62

The ends on the Precision Scale model are rather inaccurate models of the Standard Railway Equipment R-3-4 end. I uploaded an image with a scan of the Precision Scale O scale end, a photo of a much more accurate Atlas O scale end, and a crop from an ACF builders photo that shows the R-3-4 end on PRR X43a 602000. The file is in a new album called: O scale SRE R-3-4 end models. The file name is: PSC Atlas and prototype R-3-4 IDEs. A straight on photo of a R-3-4 end would be a nice addition to this album. I don't have one.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: Sunshine Order

Clark Propst
 

Pierre, you are one of a kind!

I hesitate to offer advice to anyone on this esteemed panel, but you need to build your models now because you won't have time when the layout's under construction. If you read this as: "IF the layouts under construction." Not to worry, you're never going to build one.

I'm putting together a clinic I hope to give at Naperville on this very subject. Kind of light hearted, but with a kick : ))

Clark Propst
Right now I have 164 freights in service 59 are resin. Several more had resin castings added. I'm surprised that I have 10 RTR models, most are Erlt and have been extensively modified.

Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Larry Kline wrote:
"The ends on the Precision Scale model are rather inaccurate models of
the Standard Railway Equipment R-3-4 end."

I referred to the ends on the model as r+3/4 ends (lower case) because
of the narrow top rib vice the wider ribs shown on the the other
cars. ("R" is used to denote the rectangular top rib.)


Ben Hom

Re: Bars on Caboose Windows?

midrly
 

Tony is soooooooo right about this. To this day, there are engineers that can create some violent slack action in a train. Many roads' cabeese had grabirons bolted on the ceiling to have something to hang onto when the slack ran out--or in with a brake application.

Those bars on the end windows were there for a reason!!!!!

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Bill Vaughn wrote:
3.Regardless of what the rule said it would have been up to the crew to secure if they desired. All cabooses and passenger cars used the same key on every railroad as far as I know.
Not true on the SP in the days when cabooses were assigned to individual conductors. The conductor had the only key to his assigned caboose, except for the Master Mechanic's office. Maybe later in the pool-caboose days, they used universal keys.
I agree with Dennis Storzek: the bars inside the window were to prevent crewmen from breaking the window if they fell against it. Anyone who has never experienced slack action in a caboose has no IDEA how violent and abrupt this can be.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Larry Kline
 

Brad and group,

I believe that the Precision Scale model shown in the ebay listing is intended to be a model of a postwar AAR boxcar with a Standard Railway Equipment diagonal panel roof, Standard Railway Equipment R-3-4 ends, and a Superior 7 panel door.

As far as I know, based on an unpublished Ed Hawkins roster, the only prototype for the model is the RDG 107000-107499 series built in 10-1948. See Ed's article in the November 1990 issue of Railmodel Journal, pp 60-63. The article is available online:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/23/1732/november-1990-page-60
There is a photo of RDG 107449 on page 62:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/23/1734/november-1990-page-62

The ends on the Precision Scale model are rather inaccurate models of the Standard Railway Equipment R-3-4 end. I uploaded an image with a scan of the Precision Scale O scale end, a photo of a much more accurate Atlas O scale end, and a crop from an ACF builders photo that shows the R-3-4 end on PRR X43a 602000. The file is in a new album called: O scale SRE R-3-4 end models. The file name is: PSC Atlas and prototype R-3-4 IDEs. A straight on photo of a R-3-4 end would be a nice addition to this album. I don't have one.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

The end seemed to have a very wide gap between the sections too. May have been an optical illusion.
Brian j Carlson.
On May 29, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...> wrote:

Brad was going (mostly) by the importer's label... a label which left a lot to be desired.
That diagonal panel roof was introduced in 1948, and if I'm seeing the contours of the ends as well as I think I am, it's the R/3/4 of the 1948 to 1954/55 period (bulbous main ribs rather than smoothly tapered.)
Dunno if the combination of features on the model is a good match for any particular cars built in that time.
(But Brad, if you happen to be modeling 1947 or earlier, you don't need this car.)
Scott Pitzer




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Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Scott Pitzer
 

Brad was going (mostly) by the importer's label... a label which left a lot to be desired.
That diagonal panel roof was introduced in 1948, and if I'm seeing the contours of the ends as well as I think I am, it's the R/3/4 of the 1948 to 1954/55 period (bulbous main ribs rather than smoothly tapered.)
Dunno if the combination of features on the model is a good match for any particular cars built in that time.
(But Brad, if you happen to be modeling 1947 or earlier, you don't need this car.)
Scott Pitzer

Re: Sunshine Order

Bruce Smith
 

Dennis, Folks

You win! Alas, this reminds me of the passing of a good friend and co-worker a few weeks ago. She was a quilter and had quite a fabric "stash" that my wife and some friends rescued from the ex-husband who wanted to put it in the dumpster. More than 20 Rubbermaid totes later, the ladies concluded that my friend had "won", at least by the definition, "she who dies with the most fabric, wins."

Relevance? Several things - first, make sure that your survivors understand the value of all these kits and models and do not "dumpsterize" them as has happened to several collections of rare models. Second, have a plan that your survivors can follow (and a will, something my friend did not do, even after a diagnosis of metastatic cancer). My wife has a trusted modeling friend's phone number, as his wife has mine. Third, keep records so that someone can decipher what ^%$#$ you did!


Regards

Bruce


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On May 29, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Dennis Williams wrote:

I am close to 600 Resin cars here for my layout. Over 250 are built. I always add 8 or 9 each time I build for someone else. What will I do after they are all built? What else, work on brass!


Dennis Williams/Owner
http://www.resinbuilders4u.com/


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From: Bruce F. Smith <@smithbf>
To: "<STMFC@...>" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Order




Clark,

You're serious? <VBG> I have well over 100 resin kits, and yes they are all for me and the layout I haven't even built yet. I call the upstairs area I keep them "the hobby shop". With a 500 car fleet necessary to even contemplate operations, several hundred of those being resin, I clearly have my work curt out for me. Of course, I have many duplicates of the same class, such as the PRR GR and GRA gondolas, of which I have 8 F&C and 11 Westies respectively. On the GS gon end I have 13 F&C, 1 Sunshine and 1 Bowser (must be rebuilt) and I need 10 more! Lets see, 8 X26, 9 X25... and then there are the foreign road cars <VBG>.

My wife does have explicit instructions about what to do with the built and unbuilt kits should I pass this mortal coil.

Regards

Bruce

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Auburn, AL

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On May 29, 2013, at 9:32 AM, <mailto:cepropst%40q.com<mailto:mailto:cepropst%40q.com>>
wrote:

Pierre, that's your business. What if the kits were all for you? Once you whip through that 100, what are you going to do with them? What next?
Clark Propst
As a disciplined prototype modeler/layout builder/operator I'm just trying to wrap my head around such large orders : )

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Clark,
100 kits would take me about 4-5 months. I can do a car a day, but there are inevitable interruptions and distractions. And you have to make allowance for the "trouble" kits. Not all resin kits are created equal.
Pierre Oliver

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, cepropst@ wrote:

Ryan, You would actually build 100 resin kits? How long would that take?
Clark Propst

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@> wrote:

If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed

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Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Brad Andonian asked:
"The model in question is O scale PSC 40' AAR box car dreadnaught
ends, 8' Superior door and Stanray panel roof."

Brad, some constructive criticism - it's easier to answer questions
if you describe things in common lexicon, to wit:

- This is NOT a 1937 AAR boxcar.

- "Dreadnaught ends" is an incorrect description. These are r+3/4
Improved Dreadnaught ends; "r+3/4" indicates a narrow rectangular
corrugation and the number of major corrugations in the top panel
over the number of major corrugations in the bottom panel.

- "Stanray panel roof" is vague; it's better described as rectangular
or diagonal panel.

- For Superior doors, it helps to know the number of panels.

- Finally, a picture is worth a thousand words.


"What I am trying to ascertain is who had this car and at what time
period."

Unfortunately, this car is a bit of a hermaphrodite - a r+3/4 later
Improved Dreadnaught end combined with what appears to be a 10 ft 4
in or 10 ft 6 in car and 8 ft door opening is extremely uncommon.
I'll have to check my sources after work to see if there's anything
close.


Ben Hom

Re: Sunshine Order

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Clark,
I tore down a CN based layout that required at least 150 cars and have replaced it with a Wabash based layout that requires 200+ cars. 75% of those cars have been built in the last 4 years along with the 100s that have gone out to clients. I guess I'm prolific, not to mention a tad demented.
And I've built a layout and even gotten outside to smell the roses.
And when all the kits I've got are built, I'll build more, cause that's what I do.
I may be twisted, but I'm the healthiest guy in the room. :-)
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Pierre, that's your business. What if the kits were all for you? Once you whip through that 100, what are you going to do with them? What next?
Clark Propst
As a disciplined prototype modeler/layout builder/operator I'm just trying to wrap my head around such large orders : )

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@> wrote:

Clark,
100 kits would take me about 4-5 months. I can do a car a day, but there are inevitable interruptions and distractions. And you have to make allowance for the "trouble" kits. Not all resin kits are created equal.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@ wrote:


Ryan, You would actually build 100 resin kits? How long would that take?
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@> wrote:


If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed

Re: Sunshine Order

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Clark, it's not too hard to quickly add up a big order (or several) when you
model a road that built most of their cars in company shops, and ran
single-sheathed wood boxcars and composite gondolas into the 1950s. Plastic
kits and RTR equipment is scarce for the CB&Q prototypes I need, so I have
no choice but to build resin kits. Fortunately, until now at least, there
has been a plentiful supply of these cars from Westerfield and Sunshine, and
two cars from Speedwitch. The list includes 23 CB&Q XM-17 through XM-31
boxcars and XA-7 through XA-14 auto boxcars, all of which appear on ORERs in
the early 1950s. It also included seven GS-5/6/7 gondolas, twelve BREX
reefers, and 24 SM-18 stock cars, None of those cars are available except in
resin. That's 66 house cars bought (35 built), and another 12 foreign cars
to build for a total of 78 kits bought in two years. The number would be 16
cars higher if my last order could have been filled. I used the actual car
ratios for planning my freight car roster, and those 82 cars I ordered were
the minimum number of house cars I needed to operate. Now I'm 16 cars short,
so those will have to come from Accurail kits until the resin supply
improves. There are several foreign road signature cars I'd like to build
from resin kits, but that's way down the road past all the house cars.



Nelson Moyer

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:44 AM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Order





Clark,

You're serious? <VBG> I have well over 100 resin kits, and yes they are all
for me and the layout I haven't even built yet. I call the upstairs area I
keep them "the hobby shop". With a 500 car fleet necessary to even
contemplate operations, several hundred of those being resin, I clearly have
my work curt out for me. Of course, I have many duplicates of the same
class, such as the PRR GR and GRA gondolas, of which I have 8 F&C and 11
Westies respectively. On the GS gon end I have 13 F&C, 1 Sunshine and 1
Bowser (must be rebuilt) and I need 10 more! Lets see, 8 X26, 9 X25... and
then there are the foreign road cars <VBG>.

My wife does have explicit instructions about what to do with the built and
unbuilt kits should I pass this mortal coil.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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On May 29, 2013, at 9:32 AM, <cepropst@q.com <mailto:cepropst%40q.com>
<mailto:cepropst@q.com <mailto:cepropst%40q.com> >>
wrote:

Pierre, that's your business. What if the kits were all for you? Once you
whip through that 100, what are you going to do with them? What next?
Clark Propst
As a disciplined prototype modeler/layout builder/operator I'm just trying
to wrap my head around such large orders : )

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >, "Pierre"
<pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Clark,
100 kits would take me about 4-5 months. I can do a car a day, but there are
inevitable interruptions and distractions. And you have to make allowance
for the "trouble" kits. Not all resin kits are created equal.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >, cepropst@
wrote:

Ryan, You would actually build 100 resin kits? How long would that take?
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >,
"rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@> wrote:

If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem
ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed

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Re: Sunshine Order

Dennis Williams
 

I am close to 600 Resin cars here for my layout.  Over 250 are built. I always add 8 or 9 each time I build for someone else. What will I do after they are all built?  What else, work on brass!


Dennis Williams/Owner
http://www.resinbuilders4u.com/


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From: Bruce F. Smith <@smithbf>
To: "<STMFC@...>" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Order


 

Clark,

You're serious? <VBG> I have well over 100 resin kits, and yes they are all for me and the layout I haven't even built yet. I call the upstairs area I keep them "the hobby shop". With a 500 car fleet necessary to even contemplate operations, several hundred of those being resin, I clearly have my work curt out for me. Of course, I have many duplicates of the same class, such as the PRR GR and GRA gondolas, of which I have 8 F&C and 11 Westies respectively. On the GS gon end I have 13 F&C, 1 Sunshine and 1 Bowser (must be rebuilt) and I need 10 more! Lets see, 8 X26, 9 X25... and then there are the foreign road cars <VBG>.

My wife does have explicit instructions about what to do with the built and unbuilt kits should I pass this mortal coil.

Regards

Bruce

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Auburn, AL

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On May 29, 2013, at 9:32 AM, <mailto:cepropst%40q.com<mailto:mailto:cepropst%40q.com>>
wrote:

Pierre, that's your business. What if the kits were all for you? Once you whip through that 100, what are you going to do with them? What next?
Clark Propst
As a disciplined prototype modeler/layout builder/operator I'm just trying to wrap my head around such large orders : )

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Clark,
100 kits would take me about 4-5 months. I can do a car a day, but there are inevitable interruptions and distractions. And you have to make allowance for the "trouble" kits. Not all resin kits are created equal.
Pierre Oliver

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, cepropst@ wrote:

Ryan, You would actually build 100 resin kits? How long would that take?
Clark Propst

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@> wrote:

If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed

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Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,
 
the model in question is O scale PSC 40' AAR box car dreadnaught ends, 8' Superior door and Stanray panel roof.
What I am trying to ascertain is who had this car and at what time period.   I don't have the car so I do not know the IH.  Thank you for all your insights.
Brad Andonian
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181145360842?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1431.l2649


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From: "tgregmrtn@..." <tgregmrtn@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars

 

One thing I noticed in his post he ask about a 40-foot AAR boxcar and
never tell us what the inside height is. If it were the 10'4" or 10'6" car it
would really open up to a lot more prototypes. He says dreadnaught end but
which design.

Brad can you tell us exactly what you have in mind and the answers will not
be so limiting. How about the inside height of the car and era built.
Murphy panel roofs lasted past World War Two.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 5/29/2013 4:52:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net writes:

None were built with 8' doors. The widest doors were applied to
some EJ&E box cars -- 7'9". Also some B&LE box cars got 7'3" doors.
Both were US Steel roads.

Tim O'

Brad Andonian wrote:
I am curious what roads had this version:

40' AAR boxcar
dreadnaught ends
8' Superior Doors
Stanray Panel Roof

__,_._,__
Strictly speaking, none. The Standard Railway Equipment Company did not
start calling itself "Stanray" until after the time period of this list.
For 1937 AAR box cars, both sharp-corner and W-corner-post ends are possible,
but I suspect 8-ft. doors were pretty rare at that time.

Tony Thompson
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Re: Sunshine Order

Bruce Smith
 

Clark,

You're serious? <VBG> I have well over 100 resin kits, and yes they are all for me and the layout I haven't even built yet. I call the upstairs area I keep them "the hobby shop". With a 500 car fleet necessary to even contemplate operations, several hundred of those being resin, I clearly have my work curt out for me. Of course, I have many duplicates of the same class, such as the PRR GR and GRA gondolas, of which I have 8 F&C and 11 Westies respectively. On the GS gon end I have 13 F&C, 1 Sunshine and 1 Bowser (must be rebuilt) and I need 10 more! Lets see, 8 X26, 9 X25... and then there are the foreign road cars <VBG>.

My wife does have explicit instructions about what to do with the built and unbuilt kits should I pass this mortal coil.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


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On May 29, 2013, at 9:32 AM, <cepropst@q.com<mailto:cepropst@q.com>>
wrote:

Pierre, that's your business. What if the kits were all for you? Once you whip through that 100, what are you going to do with them? What next?
Clark Propst
As a disciplined prototype modeler/layout builder/operator I'm just trying to wrap my head around such large orders : )

--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Clark,
100 kits would take me about 4-5 months. I can do a car a day, but there are inevitable interruptions and distractions. And you have to make allowance for the "trouble" kits. Not all resin kits are created equal.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, cepropst@ wrote:


Ryan, You would actually build 100 resin kits? How long would that take?
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@> wrote:


If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed







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Re: ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Brad;

EJ&E had box cars of "AAR" look, of both 10' IH and 10'6" IH, with 8-foot door openings. The 10' IHG cars had an R/3/4 IDE with an abbreviated top (R) rib, and rolling pin/short taper ribs, and a 7-panel Superior door with a very small top panel.

Cars like 60605 had 5/5 dreadnaught ends and 10'6" IH, but I am not sure what kind of roof they had, and when. They were extensively rebuilt with deeper side sills and door gussets, I think c.early sixties, and got new 6-panel Superior doors with lowered tack boards, but kept the 5/5 ends with high tacks.

No one has done either of these cars as kits or RTR, and we really could use them.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cereshill
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] ?: 1937 AAR 40' boxcars



I am curious what roads had this version:

40' AAR boxcar
dreadnaught ends
8' Superior Doors
Stanray Panel Roof

THank you!

Brad Andonian





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Re: Sunshine Order

Clark Propst
 

Pierre, that's your business. What if the kits were all for you? Once you whip through that 100, what are you going to do with them? What next?
Clark Propst
As a disciplined prototype modeler/layout builder/operator I'm just trying to wrap my head around such large orders : )

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Clark,
100 kits would take me about 4-5 months. I can do a car a day, but there are inevitable interruptions and distractions. And you have to make allowance for the "trouble" kits. Not all resin kits are created equal.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@ wrote:


Ryan, You would actually build 100 resin kits? How long would that take?
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@> wrote:


If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed

Re: Sunshine Order

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Clark,
100 kits would take me about 4-5 months. I can do a car a day, but there are inevitable interruptions and distractions. And you have to make allowance for the "trouble" kits. Not all resin kits are created equal.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:


Ryan, You would actually build 100 resin kits? How long would that take?
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@> wrote:


If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed

Re: Sunshine Order (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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All;

Based on what is going on with the "recently out of action" resin kit manufacturers, and future uncertainty, some of the "still in business" resin kit manufacturers are creating a new business model that includes more models you might want. There was a very lively discussion on this week before last. We also had a good discussion about currently under-represented roads, like B&O, P&WV, P&LE and others, and certain types of cars that have been overlooked thus far.

Some of you may want to take advantage of the opportunity to let those manufacturers know what, exactly, you would buy, and even go so far as to provide them with a data package. The members of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee have found this to be very productive, and we see the outcome in the number of fine PRR kits (and others) that have been produced.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of rreed_eagle
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Order



You do have, under the Sunshine shows page, a list of the first batch of
kits Martin has announced as discontinued.
I was under the impression the big purge of kits below 50.0 was taking place because Martin was overwelmed, but if Sunshine is sold in the future or divided up into pieces, there's no longer a reason to discontinue all those kits if a new caster(s) can manage it all. The spooky thing is if a new caster is able to take over in the future, like with Westerfield, those of us who are interested in ordering 30, or 40, or 50 kits in one sitting may create a nasty backlog.

If a new caster took over tomorrow and opened shop, I'd have no problem ordering 100+ kits right off the bat and I don't think I'm alone.

Ryan Reed





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