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Re: End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

Bruce Smith
 

I agree with those saying the hoppers are being loaded.  An additional option may be bone meal.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Richard Brennan wrote:

Bob

To my eye... the chute coming out of the building at the left is
right above the hopper...
could it be loading rather than un-loading?

Perhaps ash/clinkers from the boiler room?

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 08:51 AM 4/3/2014, thecitrusbelt@... wrote:
Here is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library Digital
Collection showing Swift and Company operations in that city.
Swift Plant, circa 1917

Nice end views of SRL 17878 and SRL 12544 (reefers) and UP 80768 (hopper)

Notice the way the reefers are being iced (or maybe salted)

The hoppers appear to have gravel in them.

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/34939/rec/38






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Re: End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

Richard Townsend
 

I believe that it is loading cinders.  The building to the left of the hoppers was the power plant for the slaughterhouse.  I think the pit is where incoming coal was unloaded, and then some cars were loaded or reloaded with cinders going out via the chute.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 9:04 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

 
Bob

To my eye... the chute coming out of the building at the left is
right above the hopper...
could it be loading rather than un-loading?

Perhaps ash/clinkers from the boiler room?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 08:51 AM 4/3/2014, thecitrusbelt@... wrote:
>Here is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library Digital
>Collection showing Swift and Company operations in that city.
>Swift Plant, circa 1917
>
>Nice end views of SRL 17878 and SRL 12544 (reefers) and UP 80768 (hopper)
>
>Notice the way the reefers are being iced (or maybe salted)
>
>The hoppers appear to have gravel in them.
>
>http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/34939/rec/38
>
>


Re: End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

rwitt_2000
 

It also looks like there maybe a crude pit between the rails near the UP hopper.
Could the hopper be some sort of early ballast hopper as the hopper has both end slope sheets and side sloop sheets directing the contents towards a central outlet? An interesting car indeed.

Bob Witt


Re: End Views - Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

Douglas Harding
 

Bob, I doubt it is salt in those buckets over the reefers, more likely crushed ice. Salt would be added via scoop shovels. The overhead trolley system for moving ice was found at several meat packing plants, allowing icing to take place even as cars are being loaded at some plants. Other plants used two wheel carts on upper ice decks to deliver cruised ice via tubes.

 

The hoppers are being filled with byproducts, ie offal or perhaps fertilizer. Note the chute over the closest hopper. I don’t know if the Swift plant in Denver had an on-site fertilizer plant, some meat packers did.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Swift (SRLX) Steel Reefers in the Yellow Scheme?

Jason Kliewer
 

HIi Jeff thanks for the link, I don't know why I always forget about checking there.  I didn't see any pictures but the article at least talks about yellow steel reefers.  I'll read through it better later.


Jason


Re: End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

David
 

The UP hopper looks like a variation on the original Pressed Steel design. The end platforms and the tapered side sheets are rather unusual. The date would be later than 1917, judging by the C&S USRA hopper behind it.

David Thompson


Re: End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Bob

To my eye... the chute coming out of the building at the left is right above the hopper...
could it be loading rather than un-loading?

Perhaps ash/clinkers from the boiler room?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 08:51 AM 4/3/2014, thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com wrote:
Here is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library Digital Collection showing Swift and Company operations in that city.
Swift Plant, circa 1917

Nice end views of SRL 17878 and SRL 12544 (reefers) and UP 80768 (hopper)

Notice the way the reefers are being iced (or maybe salted)

The hoppers appear to have gravel in them.

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/34939/rec/38


Re: Swift (SRLX) Steel Reefers in the Yellow Scheme?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jason,

 

               Might the answer be found in Martin Lofton’s article: http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10400/february-1993-page-26 ?  I didn’t have the time to search the article to see if it has the answers you seek, so I apologize if it is of no help.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Subject: [STMFC] Swift (SRLX) Steel Reefers in the Yellow Scheme?

 

 

I have a partial picture of a Swift steel reefer in the yellow scheme and was wondering if anyone has a source for any other pictures of this combination.  And a related question, would anyone have an idea when the first 36' steel reefers were delivered for Swift?  The Refrigerator Car Color Guide shows the 1954 cars and later, but there were earlier number series as well (based on the dimensions in the ORER).

 

Thanks,

 

Jason Kliewer

Colorado Springs, CO


End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library Digital Collection showing Swift and Company operations in that city.

 

Use the slider above the photo to enlarge it.

 

Swift Plant, circa 1917

Nice end views of SRL 17878 and SRL 12544 (reefers) and UP 80768 (hopper)

Notice the way the reefers are being iced (or maybe salted)

The hoppers appear to have gravel in them.

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/34939/rec/38

 

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Railway_Bull_Shippers_Group/

 

 


Re: Photos With Freight Car Details

David Sieber
 

Tomislav,
 
     Yes, to both questions.  First, ERIE 79104 appears to be a 1937 AAR boxcar; note the 4/5 end.  Then, the easiest way to confirm this is to go to the Steam Era Freight Cars website to check the "1937 AAR Box Cars - As Built Roster" authored by Ed Hawkins and Ted Culotta, at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html .  It shows series ERIE 79000-79199 built by Pullman-Standard 3-40, with a 4/5 w-corner (rounded-corner) end and an Ajax hand brake, so it's easily modeled with an IMWX/Red Caboose or Intermountain '37 boxcar kit ...  However, read further -- it has a Viking roof with an Apex Tri-Lok running board, so you'll also need a Des Plaines Hobbies Viking roof and your favorite rectangular-hole running board to replace the stock rectangular panel roof and wood "roofwalk" in whichever kit you decide to use.  This will give you a not-so-common variant of the '37 AAR standard boxcar for your HO fleet.  Decals were/are available from manufacturers ranging from Champ (out of production, but still available in some hobby shops) to Ted Culotta's excellent set, Speedwitch Media D127 Erie 1937 AAR Box Cars (being reprinted per his website, http://speedwitchmedia.com/decals/ ). 
 
Have fun, Dave Sieber, Reno NV 
 

In STMFC@..., Tomislav Dornik said: One more ERIE question, 40' box  Erie #79104, in this picture:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/12297213186_eda0d1bc2e_o.jpg What type of boxcar is this, 1937 AAR? Is there a correct plastic model?


Re: Atlas N-scale UP PS1 boxcar

martinskrz@...
 

I have just received one of the Atlas N-scale UP cars via Ebay. It is a superb model with etched walkways, detailed brakegear, body-mounted couplers and metal wheels.

Best regards,

Martin Skrzetuszewski


Re: Photos With Freight Car Details

Benjamin Hom
 

Tomislav Dornik asked:
"One more ERIE question, 40' box  Erie #79104, in this picture:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/12297213186_eda0d1bc2e_o.jpg
What type of boxcar is this, 1937 AAR? Is there a correct plastic model?"


10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar.  Erie 79000-79199, built 3-40, Ajax handbrake, Apex Tri-
Lok running board, W-section ends, Viking roof.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie79000adb.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie79134adb.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie79141w.jpg

Assuming you're asking about HO scale kits, Des Plaines Hobbies once offered decorated IMWX kits with a Viking roof casting, but these are long out of production.  The Viking roof is still available, though - part no. DPH 2004, $4 each, and can be used with the Red Caboose 10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar, or the Branchline Yardmaster/Atlas Trainman model of the same prototype.
http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/


Ben Hom


Re: Photos With Freight Car Details

Don Burn
 

Well the 1937 AAR list http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html Gives the data it is a 1937 AAR car, but with a Viking roof.

Don Burn

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One more ERIE question, 40' box Erie #79104, in this picture:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/12297213186_eda0d1bc2e_o.jpg

What type of boxcar is this, 1937 AAR? Is there a correct plastic model?

Thanks, Tomislav Dornik


Re: Photos With Freight Car Details

Hobi Point
 

One more ERIE question, 40' box  Erie #79104, in this picture:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/12297213186_eda0d1bc2e_o.jpg

What type of boxcar is this, 1937 AAR? Is there a correct plastic model?

Thanks, Tomislav Dornik


Swift (SRLX) Steel Reefers in the Yellow Scheme?

Jason Kliewer
 

I have a partial picture of a Swift steel reefer in the yellow scheme and was wondering if anyone has a source for any other pictures of this combination.  And a related question, would anyone have an idea when the first 36' steel reefers were delivered for Swift?  The Refrigerator Car Color Guide shows the 1954 cars and later, but there were earlier number series as well (based on the dimensions in the ORER).

Thanks,

Jason Kliewer
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: That 3 dome UTLX X-3 tank car

Tom Madden
 

Thanks, Bill. That makes the pattern work much easier.


Tom Madden


Re: That 3 dome UTLX X-3 tank car

Bill Kelly
 


Tom,
One safely valve has been removed and plated over on the center dome. The angle of view makes it dificult to see the remaining safety but the rivets holding the plate covering the hole left after removing the safety can be seen. I can send you a photo of a similar car from a better angle that may clarify the situation.
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
Tom wrote:

Question about that most interesting UTLX 3-dome X-3 tank car Claus brought to our attention a week or so ago:

http://cdm15330.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/67212/rec/4417


I'm not seeing any safety valves on the center dome. On all the X-3 photos I've seen the top-mounted safety valves are very obvious. What am I missing?


Tom Madden






That 3 dome UTLX X-3 tank car

Tom Madden
 

Question about that most interesting UTLX 3-dome X-3 tank car Claus brought to our attention a week or so ago:

http://cdm15330.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/67212/rec/4417


I'm not seeing any safety valves on the center dome. On all the X-3 photos I've seen the top-mounted safety valves are very obvious. What am I missing?


Tom Madden


Re: HO scale AB brake sets

riverman_vt@...
 

   Thank you Ed. I was thinking about thiws again just this monring and wondering how to broach

the issue becasue Don Tichy is a heck of a good scout who I have known for some years and

often buy material from. But I feel the same as you about his brake parts. Someone has got to offer a better AB set. The K brake set I might be able to live with but the AB reservoir is a dinosaur that we could do very well without. Maybe we can convince Don to do an updated version.

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Re: Athearn National B-1 and Allied Full Cushion trucks

riverman_vt@...
 

   This echos my experience with Athearn recently as well, Bob. I emailed them seeking availability and

pricing on another unlisted truck and had a response very similar to yours if not word for word within 48 hours.

Not like the old days when I used to order parts from Irv himself or from John Engstrom before he retired last year but it seems to work and thats all one can ask.

Cordially, Don Valentine

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