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Re: Shapeways/MDC tank car

Joseph
 


Dean,
My parts were a little wonky, but not too much.  I was able to straighten them
Construction has begun.
joe binish

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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Shapeways/MDC tank car

Joe,
My Shapeways frames (two) came warped.  I put them in some hot water for a while, then tried to straighten them.  SNAP!  Broke one of them!  Either I needed hotter water (how hot?) or maybe I needed to strap them to something straight.  I still have one left, but two tanks.  Maybe I can ACC the frame back together, but I fear bending a glued frame will be hard to do without breaking again.
Has anybody else had this issue?

Dean Payne


Re: Wright Trak SAL gons (was: SAL ventilated boxcar paint scheme)

riverman_vt@...
 

   Thanks Al. That's what I was afraid of, A bit too late for my era so there will be one more of these kits for stock with the regularly stocked V-9 and V-10 Seaboard ventilated box cars

Thanks again, Don Valentine


Re: ADMIN: Personal attacks = Not

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Thank you much, Mike, for helping to keep things civilized.

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA


Re: Shapeways/MDC tank car

Robert kirkham
 

I’ve had limited problems with Shapeways warping printed parts.  Not recently, but it happens.  My understanding is that it comes from the contractor doing the cleaning with too warm a water/solvent (not sure what they use) to clean away the wax support material.
 
Such parts are pretty much hopeless in my experience, with one exception: I’ve found that if the part has a thin cross section and is to be fastened to a heavy straight part along the dimension of the warping, it can sometimes pull right into shape and the glue will hold it fine. 
 
So it has worked for me on an floor/ partial underframe where the separate fishbelly centre sills and inset ledge of the sides and ends were enough to lock it flat.     
 
But on a shed, where the one wall arrived warped inward the building, interior bracing wasn’t good enough to fix it.  To me, it seemed like the wall was a little stretched and had too much material (kind of like your fender won’t easily return to its shape when you rub it against a telephone pole.)
 
I’ve never asked Shapeways to re-do a part, but this is an issue where it might be justified asking.
 
Rob Kirkham      
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Shapeways/MDC tank car
 


Joe,
My Shapeways frames (two) came warped.  I put them in some hot water for a while, then tried to straighten them.  SNAP!  Broke one of them!  Either I needed hotter water (how hot?) or maybe I needed to strap them to something straight.  I still have one left, but two tanks.  Maybe I can ACC the frame back together, but I fear bending a glued frame will be hard to do without breaking again.
Has anybody else had this issue?
 
Dean Payne


Re: Shapeways/MDC tank car

Dean Payne
 

Joe,
My Shapeways frames (two) came warped.  I put them in some hot water for a while, then tried to straighten them.  SNAP!  Broke one of them!  Either I needed hotter water (how hot?) or maybe I needed to strap them to something straight.  I still have one left, but two tanks.  Maybe I can ACC the frame back together, but I fear bending a glued frame will be hard to do without breaking again.
Has anybody else had this issue?

Dean Payne


Re: Wright Trak SAL gons (was: SAL ventilated boxcar paint scheme)

al_brown03
 

Apologies: I should've re-titled my last message.

This kit models SAL class G-10, and was reviewed by John Golden in Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler #15 (January 2012), pp 4-26. He gives the following number series:
SAL 90000-90099, ACF 1949
SAL 90100-90299, Bethlehem 1951
SAL 90300-90599, P-S 1953
SAL 90600-90999 and 93000-93399, SAL 1953
SAL 93400-93699, ACF 1954
SAL 94000-94499, SAL 1955-6
MD&S 4000-4009, SAL 1956
SAL 95000-95699, Bethlehem 1957
The shop-"built" cars were rebuilt into G-10's, from old composite cars.
The instructions in my Wright Trak kit include photos of NS 7738 and 7734, which I guess (nothing is said) were identical or mighty similar. Kaminski, "Magor Car Corporation", p 176, gives the series as NS 7700-7749, Magor 1956.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: M3 Grant on flat car photo

 

I know. I just thought it funny a picture like that would show up on April
Fools day. LOL!

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: John Barry <northbaylines@att.net>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 4:15 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] M3 Grant on flat car photo







Brian,

That shot was taken during the Army's version of the monster truck show
jump. Shots like this were staged for propaganda purposes to show the
"mobility" of the equipment and exaggerate it's capabilities to potential
opponents and purchasers. You can see the end of the ramp in the left side
of the picture. It may have been taken during the Louisanna War Games,
which in addition to their value in working out tactics for large
formations, were used as a giant PR opportunity for the Army and Air Corps.


John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682






From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@gmail.com>
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] M3 Grant on flat car photo







A Google search didn¹t turn one up, but I didn¹t know they could FLY!
http://rogersphotoarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DP_Army-Tanks-M3-Ge
neral-Grant-38.jpg

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@auburn.edu>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] M3 Grant on flat car photo

Folks,

Many years ago, back when I was a young lad, and the snow was deeper than my
horse in Bruceford, I recall that someone gave a presentation at Prototype
Rails that included a photograph of a US Army tank (M3 Grant?) on a flat car
with one of the suspension bogies damaged or missing. The tank was most
likely on its way to be rebuilt as an M31 armored recovery vehicle at the
Baldwin Locomotive Works in Eddystone PA. I would very much like to
recreate this load, and hence I am looking for said photograph... after all,
I need something to do to wile away the quiet hours spent at Bruceford,
watching the Fast Mail slowly drift under...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."


















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: M3 Grant on flat car photo

John Barry
 

Brian,

That shot was taken during the Army's version of the monster truck show jump.  Shots like this were staged for propaganda purposes to show the "mobility" of the equipment and exaggerate it's capabilities to potential opponents and purchasers.  You can see the end of the ramp in the left side of the picture.  It may have been taken during the Louisanna War Games, which in addition to their value in working out tactics for large formations, were used as a giant PR opportunity for the Army and Air Corps.


John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI
To: STMFC List
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] M3 Grant on flat car photo

 
A Google search didn¹t turn one up, but I didn¹t know they could FLY!
http://rogersphotoarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DP_Army-Tanks-M3-Ge
neral-Grant-38.jpg

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: "Bruce F. Smith"
Reply-To: STMFC List
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: [STMFC] M3 Grant on flat car photo

Folks,

Many years ago, back when I was a young lad, and the snow was deeper than my
horse in Bruceford, I recall that someone gave a presentation at Prototype
Rails that included a photograph of a US Army tank (M3 Grant?) on a flat car
with one of the suspension bogies damaged or missing. The tank was most
likely on its way to be rebuilt as an M31 armored recovery vehicle at the
Baldwin Locomotive Works in Eddystone PA. I would very much like to
recreate this load, and hence I am looking for said photograph... after all,
I need something to do to wile away the quiet hours spent at Bruceford,
watching the Fast Mail slowly drift under...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




Re: Oil unloading

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Great stuff, Andy, thanks for posting!
Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA


Re: Instruction for Building Tangent's Tank Car now available

Bill Welch
 

Allen:
Thank you for posting this info and doing the supplement.
Bill Welch


Re: M3 Grant on flat car photo

 

A Google search didn¹t turn one up, but I didn¹t know they could FLY!
http://rogersphotoarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DP_Army-Tanks-M3-Ge
neral-Grant-38.jpg


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@auburn.edu>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] M3 Grant on flat car photo







Folks,


Many years ago, back when I was a young lad, and the snow was deeper than my
horse in Bruceford, I recall that someone gave a presentation at Prototype
Rails that included a photograph of a US Army tank (M3 Grant?) on a flat car
with one of the suspension bogies damaged or missing. The tank was most
likely on its way to be rebuilt as an M31 armored recovery vehicle at the
Baldwin Locomotive Works in Eddystone PA. I would very much like to
recreate this load, and hence I am looking for said photograph... after all,
I need something to do to wile away the quiet hours spent at Bruceford,
watching the Fast Mail slowly drift under...

Regards
Bruce



Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


M3 Grant on flat car photo

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Many years ago, back when I was a young lad, and the snow was deeper than my horse in Bruceford, I recall that someone gave a presentation at Prototype Rails that included a photograph of a US Army tank (M3 Grant?) on a flat car with one of the suspension bogies damaged or missing.  The tank was most likely on its way to be rebuilt as an M31 armored recovery vehicle at the Baldwin Locomotive Works in Eddystone PA.  I would very much like to recreate this load, and hence I am looking for said photograph... after all, I need something to do to wile away the quiet hours spent at Bruceford, watching the Fast Mail slowly drift under...

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



Re: HO Scale Truck Document

frograbbit602
 

Richard,

Finallyy got the new updated truck document downloaded and printed.   I Thank You for your time, effort and sharing of this valuable reference work.

Lester Breuer




 


Re: Instruction for Building Tangent's Tank Car now available

ajferguson@...
 

Bill:

The suppliment to do 3 dome 6000gal total (aprox) tank cars is now included in all GATX decal sets. Same product number just more stuff.

Allen Ferguson


Re: SAL ventilated boxcar paint scheme

al_brown03
 

The SAL/MD&S gondolas modeled by the Wright Trak kit were built in several batches between about '48-49 and the late '50s. I'll look up specifics when I get home this evening, if someone else doesn't get to it first.

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: ADMIN: Personal attacks = Not

Patrick Wade
 

Very we'll put, now please turn the heat up.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:14 AM, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

 

Guys,

I had hoped my warning yesterday would have headed off any further
aggressive comments regarding Richard's seemingly docile document. Alas, it
did not.

For those curious, it is very cold down in Moderate Jail at this time of the
year. Even in the new wing. I really hate having to go down there. I guess
it's the screams for food or heat.

As I noted yesterday, there is absolutely nothing wrong with comments about
Richard's document on frt car trucks. It, however, is against the STMFC
rules to attack those who have differing views about the document.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner and Head Jailer


ADMIN: Personal attacks = Not

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

I had hoped my warning yesterday would have headed off any further aggressive comments regarding Richard's seemingly docile document. Alas, it did not.

For those curious, it is very cold down in Moderate Jail at this time of the year. Even in the new wing. I really hate having to go down there. I guess it's the screams for food or heat.

As I noted yesterday, there is absolutely nothing wrong with comments about Richard's document on frt car trucks. It, however, is against the STMFC rules to attack those who have differing views about the document.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner and Head Jailer


Re: SAL ventilated boxcar paint scheme

riverman_vt@...
 

    That would be interesting, Gary, so please do what you can to date the film. In the roughly a dozen photos I have seen of such cars, however, such a variance was not noticeable. Thus one wonders if it might have been a "one of" or paint shope fluke.

    Speaking of Seaboard rolling stock, can anyone advise what year the prototypes for Wright Traks Seaboard - Macon, Dublin & Savanah gondolas were built. These seem to be a well done kit but as is the case with everything I have seen from Gary Wright the documentation is woefully lacking however well he might mean.

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


 


Re: HO Scale Truck Document

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes Richard, my nitpicking inspired all that gushing because they all
know what a fragile ego you have (NOT)

Now the sheriff has weighed in, throwing his full authority behind the
idea that any questioning of Richard's document is tantamount to a "personal
attack".

I'd add that personally since I've been paying attention the last 15 years,
there was nothing new in that document for me, but that probably also would
be construed as libelous, perhaps even an act of terror. I think I'll just
bow out and y'all can carry on with your mutual admiration society.





Richard,
 A very valuable document. I really appreciate the effort from one who is but a student of trucks� .

Thanks so much Richard I am sure that many folks know the value of what you have posted.
 
Thanks, Greg, and others who have responded both on and off list.  Within reason, I�m happy to have suggestions for improvement, but in this case the main outcome of Tim�s nitpicking seems to have been a rising tide of support, for which I am very appreciative.  There are still more HO scale trucks forthcoming, e.g. John Riddell recently alerted me to Rapido�s announcement of a new 70 ton Barber S-2.  So I will continue to provide periodic updates, and to let everyone on the list know when I have done so.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: HO Scale Truck Document

Tim O'Connor
 

Really? So if one doesn't publish articles then they are contributing nothing?

I know you're an elitist, but that takes the cake.

Tim O'Connor

At 3/31/2014 11:04 PM Monday, you wrote:
Tom Madden wrote:
"It's the old "you missed a spot" syndrome, familiar to anyone who's ever had a spouse, boss, or irritating coworker. Those are the folks who can look right past all the things you did right and lock in, laser-like, on the one thing you might have missed."

...and in this hobby, it's always the individual who never writes an article, or volunteers to do a clinic, or share information in a readily available format who chucks rocks at those who make the effort.

Ben Hom


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