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Re: AB Air Brakes

Tony Thompson
 

        Back on February 7, Guy Wilber posted a very helpful summary of the brake servicing rules, taken from Interchange Rule 60. With Guy's permission, I have incorporated his summary into a blog post about modeling the stenciling on freight cars for brake service. If you're interested, here is a link:


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Re: Santa Fe War Emergency Boxcars

Don Burn
 

RPC #19 has a couple of photos.

Don Burn

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WILLIAM PARDIE
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Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe War Emergency Boxcars




I am finally getting around the doing the Santa FE 40' war emergency
boxcars.
I realized that thae reason that I had not done this sooner is the lack of a
good photo. I have combed the Bob's Photo collection as well as other
vendors vendors at Napervile without any luck. Does anyhone have a clue on
this.

Oh yes - and as always proper trucks.

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


Re: 8-Rung Ladders

Barry Bennett
 

Atlas part # BL100018.

Easy to find on the Atlas site.

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England.


On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:
 

john,
Have a look at my part #YMW-303, http://yarmouthmodelworks.com/details.php
It is an 8 rung ladder with 16" rung spacings. Overall length just under 10'6"
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 4/11/2014 12:52 PM, John Golden wrote:
 
Gentlemen,
 
I have a question for you from the "I Started a Project Before I Did My Research" file.
 
I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car model.  As I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have eight-rung ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the kit.  Thankfully I noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and decaled.
 
I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the part listings are ambiguous.  DW eight-rung ladders won't work--they're about two scale feet too long.  Can anyone please recommend a suitable eight-rung ladder that will work, to include a part number if you have it handy?
 
Thanks,
John
 
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

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Re: 8-Rung Ladders

Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
 

john,
Have a look at my part #YMW-303, http://yarmouthmodelworks.com/details.php
It is an 8 rung ladder with 16" rung spacings. Overall length just under 10'6"
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 4/11/2014 12:52 PM, John Golden wrote:

 
Gentlemen,
 
I have a question for you from the "I Started a Project Before I Did My Research" file.
 
I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car model.  As I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have eight-rung ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the kit.  Thankfully I noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and decaled.
 
I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the part listings are ambiguous.  DW eight-rung ladders won't work--they're about two scale feet too long.  Can anyone please recommend a suitable eight-rung ladder that will work, to include a part number if you have it handy?
 
Thanks,
John
 
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

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Re: 8-Rung Ladders

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:52 AM, John Golden wrote:

I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car
model.  As I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have
eight-rung ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the
kit.  Thankfully I noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and
decaled.
 
I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the
part listings are ambiguous.  DW eight-rung ladders won't
work--they're about two scale feet too long.  Can anyone please
recommend a suitable eight-rung ladder that will work, to include a
part number if you have it handy?
John,
Branchline Trains offered 8-rung ladders for their 40' box cars. If you
have some of their kits they usually provided sets of both 7-rung and
8-rung ladders so the modeler could choose which one to use depending
on the prototype car. So the extra sets of ladders can be saved as cars
are built. The locator pegs probably won't match up to InterMountain's
models.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Santa Fe War Emergency Boxcars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


I am finally getting around the doing the Santa FE 40' war emergency boxcars.
I realized that thae reason that I had not done this sooner is the lack of a good
photo.  I have combed the Bob's Photo collection as well as other vendors vendors 
at Napervile without any luck.  Does anyhone have a clue on this.

Oh yes  - and as always proper trucks.

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



Re: CRWX fleet

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

I searched all Railway Age annual order summaries from 1901-1919 and came up with only one:
 
Capitol Refining 25 40-ton tank, ACF ordered 5-15 lot 7689
 
Here's a link to a 1925 photo. Another posting of the same photo suggests 1916-1917.
 
 
CRWX 284 might have been relettered. Since the large lettering looks original, it might be from a leasing company and suggests the ACF order mentioned above was for 201-225 by process of elimination.
 
Eric


Re: 8-Rung Ladders

Brian Carlson
 

I've used the branchline 8 rung ladders since they are made for 10'-6" cars but I'm not sure of a current part source. 
Brian Carlson. 


On Apr 11, 2014, at 12:52 PM, John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

 

Gentlemen,
 
I have a question for you from the "I Started a Project Before I Did My Research" file.
 
I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car model.  As I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have eight-rung ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the kit.  Thankfully I noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and decaled.
 
I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the part listings are ambiguous.  DW eight-rung ladders won't work--they're about two scale feet too long.  Can anyone please recommend a suitable eight-rung ladder that will work, to include a part number if you have it handy?
 
Thanks,
John
 
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: 8-Rung Ladders

 

Perhaps these folks? http://yarmouthmodelworks.com/details.php


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

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<resinfreightcars@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] 8-Rung Ladders







Gentlemen,

I have a question for you from the "I Started a Project Before I Did My
Research" file.

I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car model. As
I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have eight-rung
ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the kit. Thankfully I
noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and decaled.

I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the part
listings are ambiguous. DW eight-rung ladders won't work--they're about two
scale feet too long. Can anyone please recommend a suitable eight-rung
ladder that will work, to include a part number if you have it handy?

Thanks,
John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL








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Re: 8-Rung Ladders

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

John:


Look at the ladders offered by Yarmouth Models (Pierre Oliver).  A lot more work but a tremendous improvement
in appearance.

Bill Pardie

On Apr 11, 2014, at 6:52 AM, John Golden wrote:

 

Gentlemen,
 
I have a question for you from the "I Started a Project Before I Did My Research" file.
 
I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car model.  As I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have eight-rung ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the kit.  Thankfully I noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and decaled.
 
I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the part listings are ambiguous.  DW eight-rung ladders won't work--they're about two scale feet too long.  Can anyone please recommend a suitable eight-rung ladder that will work, to include a part number if you have it handy?
 
Thanks,
John
 
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL



8-Rung Ladders

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
I have a question for you from the "I Started a Project Before I Did My Research" file.
 
I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car model.  As I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have eight-rung ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the kit.  Thankfully I noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and decaled.
 
I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the part listings are ambiguous.  DW eight-rung ladders won't work--they're about two scale feet too long.  Can anyone please recommend a suitable eight-rung ladder that will work, to include a part number if you have it handy?
 
Thanks,
John
 
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: CRWX fleet

Douglas Harding
 

One reference under the Shorpy photo of the Capitol Refining Company http://www.shorpy.com/node/4310  includes this:

Washington Post, Jun 2, 1913

Refiners Buy Oil Plant

The Capitol Refining Company, which was recently granted a charter by the Virginia corporation commission, has purchased the plant of the Columbia Cotton Oil and Provisions Corporation, at Relee, near Arlington Junction, Alexandria county. The Capitol Refining Company is a subsidiary of the Jacob Dold Packing Company, an independent concern, whose main establishment is in Buffalo, N.Y., and its announced that about September 1, after extensive repairs to the plant, operations will be resumed.

If owned by a meat packer, the plant and tank cars may have been used for processing and transporting animal fats and oils, ie lard, grease, etc. There was a major side line industry making use of animal by-products, especially the grease, fats and oils. Other meat packers owned tank cars during the period of 1900-1930, with some of them selling off their tank cars and going to leased cars in the 1930’s.

 

100 cars may seem like a large fleet for a meat packer. But consider that In 1930 the Jacob E Decker & Sons Company had 70 tank cars, 8,000 gal. Though they were down to 20 tank cars in 1931, then back up to 30 tank cars through 1935.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: CRWX fleet

Aley, Jeff A
 

Found it!  Thanks for the help.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ian Cranstone
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 8:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CRWX fleet

 

 

On 2014-04-11, at 11:29 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:



 

 I was unable to find the document when I searched for it.  Could you provide a link?  Ian posted a relevant page; I’m interested in the whole document.

 

Jeff, go to books.google.com, and search for "Tank Car Capacities". It's the first item that turns up and begins with "United States and Canadian Railroads ...: Showing …"

 

Hopefully you're on the U.S. side of the line, or Google won't let you see more than snippet views.

 

 

 


Re: CRWX fleet

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2014-04-11, at 11:29 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

 
 I was unable to find the document when I searched for it.  Could you provide a link?  Ian posted a relevant page; I’m interested in the whole document.

 

Jeff, go to books.google.com, and search for "Tank Car Capacities". It's the first item that turns up and begins with "United States and Canadian Railroads ...: Showing …"

Hopefully you're on the U.S. side of the line, or Google won't let you see more than snippet views.



Re: CRWX fleet

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Cyril,

 

               I was unable to find the document when I searched for it.  Could you provide a link?  Ian posted a relevant page; I’m interested in the whole document.

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Cyril and Lynn Durrenberger
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 8:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CRWX fleet

 

 

You can do a google search on 1919 ICC circular 6 O (not zero) and then download the pdf.  It lists the tank cars in service as of 1919 by number and gallons.  It normally lists the commodities hauled in the tank cars, but for Capitol it does not list them.  Listed are the following sets of cars.  The capacity of the cars is gauged (measured) and they vary by a few gallons.

 

201-225 all numbers   804x gallons

251-270 all numbers   805x gallons

271-295 all numbers   816x gallons

 

where x is some integer between 0 and 9

 

Cyril Durrenberger

From: James McDonald <james@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] CRWX fleet

 

Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of
Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the
earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913,
which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company
began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton
Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: Vendome Tank Car Company

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bill,

 

               There is a photo of VENX 173 in Pocatello on July 13, 1957.  The photo was published in Ted Cullotta’s “Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Volume 2: Tank Cars”, p. 40.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Vendome Tank Car Company

 

 

I am trying to make a decision about how to decal one of my Southern Car & Foundry's Standard Steel Car model. One option is a car for the Vendome Tank Car Company based in Oklahoma. I assume  this company served that states oil companies, something I know very little about. Can someone offer some wisdom in terms of where these cars cars would have been making deliveries? Thank you.

Bill Welch

2225 Nursery Road; #20-104

Clearwater, FL 33764-7622

727.470.9930

 


Re: CRWX fleet

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2014-04-11, at 7:51 AM, James McDonald wrote:

 

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?


James, I've attached a page from the August 1919 issue of Tank Car Capacities (digitized by our friends at Google), which shows the entire CRWX fleet as of that date. Based upon capacities, it looks as if their fleet consisted of groups 201-225, 251-270 & 270-295


Re: CRWX fleet

Cyril Durrenberger
 

You can do a google search on 1919 ICC circular 6 O (not zero) and then download the pdf.  It lists the tank cars in service as of 1919 by number and gallons.  It normally lists the commodities hauled in the tank cars, but for Capitol it does not list them.  Listed are the following sets of cars.  The capacity of the cars is gauged (measured) and they vary by a few gallons.

201-225 all numbers   804x gallons
251-270 all numbers   805x gallons
271-295 all numbers   816x gallons

where x is some integer between 0 and 9

Cyril Durrenberger

From: James McDonald
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] CRWX fleet
 
Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of
Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the
earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913,
which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company
began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton
Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: CRWX fleet

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

James,
 
Can you provide a little more in formation. Do all CRWX cars predate 1914 or were some acquired after that? Do you have any built dates off of specific cars? The answers may help me focus my search a bit more. I hope to be able to provide you with some order dates and sizes.
 
Eric N.
 
 

Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of
Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the
earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913,
which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company
began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton
Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Speedwitch speculation

Ted Culotta
 

A few kind souls alerted me to the fireworks occurring regarding Speedwitch so I felt it prudent to enter the discussion.

 

First, there are no excuses here. I own whatever situation I create. As some of you may be aware, I am winding down my current employment. While that was supposed to be a gradual tapering of duties, things have been unexpectedly intense of late. That has meant that my best laid plans of starting a gradual transition back to Speedwitch have not been as fluid as anticipated. I reopened the store assuming that I would have more time to handle things. That is not how things have gone.

 

As things have ebbed somewhat this week, I have been able to get a large number of items shipped (as some of you have no doubt seen.) The GN stock cars have been a major casualty as I completely rewrote the instructions from scratch recently after being wholly unsatisfied with what I had written previously (I do want you to build them after all and the order of construction I had presented did not work well.)

 

My current work duties are to be completed next Tuesday and I can begin to focus on Speedwitch entirely. I am certain that the level of attentiveness and responsiveness will improve several orders of magnitude.
 
I also wish to publicly apologize, without calling anyone out in particular, for any actual and perceived sleights of customer service. That is not acceptable nor is it my intention to create a bad experience.
 
Also, I can be reached directly at speedwitchmedia at gmail dot com and I try to reply to everything although I have been known to miss an email here and there, but the response rate will improve to near 100% as well beginning next week.

 

Thanks.

 

Cheers,

Ted Culotta

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