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CRWX fleet

James McDonald
 

Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913, which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to 300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224. The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

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James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: Speedwitch

paul.doggett2472@...
 

I am awaiting a book ordered and paid for in late February i have received other items from the states but no book yet

Paul Doggett UK


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

The Kadee angle cock and hose part, and the angle cock bracket below it in the picture, are certainly nicely done. But what is the piece above the hose, and where does it go?

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

 






---In STMFC@..., <danspachmd@...> wrote :

Some years ago, Tim O'Connor pointed out that the Kadee brake hose mount was indeed unique, and used only on log or log bunk cars, the car kits for which Kadee originally designed them for.  

 

Hi Doc,

That is undoubtedly true, but the Kadee bracket is similar to the Burnett Brake Pipe Anchorage and Angle Cock Holder. It's a little short, but then again, Kadee's coupler boxes are a little wide. These date from the WWI ear; the prototype illustration is from the 1922 CBC.

I've uploaded a comparison here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Angle%20Cock%20Bracket%2C%20Kadee/

Dennis Storzek





Vendor issues and action

twinstarcars
 

I find it amazing that a vendor gets thrashed on here and my order is on its way. I am equally upset with another decal vendor who can't seem to fill orders so I can't wait for that thread to start!
There is no  " like" button so this is mine.
Thanks,
Ross


Re: Speedwitch

Dave Nelson
 

A book, ordered & paid for > 6 weeks ago.

 

I’m not bothered about the delay but the lack of courtesy in letting me know there would be one has been noted.

 

Dave Nelson


Re: heaviest 33" HO wheel sets

John Sykes III
 

Garth:


I don't think so.  They have the wheelsets that come on the trainline cars, which can be identified by really fat plastic axles and the P2K wheelsets, which come on most of their better cars.  However, I do not have the 2014 Walthers Catalog memorized.  I am sitting in a Hospital room right now, so my catalog is not too available to me at the moment.


-- John


Re: Speedwitch

Greg Bartek
 

I purchased SP & NH decals two weeks ago, I am awaiting delivery.

Greg Bartek


Re: Speedwitch

Bob Weston
 

No news but the Indigogo whatever reply to me was it would all happen on 15 May 2014.
                                                                                                                      Bob Weston


Re: Speedwitch

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:

Anyone have any news for us "investors".

      Although the web page doesn't seem to be updated very often, it does show most of the decals as already reprinted and available for sale. For anyone who doesn't know, these are truly outstanding decal sets. I would encourage people to browse and see what is there. Here's a link:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Speedwitch

gary laakso
 

I have paid for orders for SAL decals and resin Great Northern truss rod stock car kits and waiting for delivery.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Speedwitch
 
 

Anyone have any news for us "investors".

 

Ed Mines




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paint and decal guide

ed_mines
 

I'd like to see a paint and decal guide for today's new paints and decals.

I was a floquil/solvaset/Paasche man for a long time; after a 10 year hiatus I'm lost.

I take it most of the newer lines of paint don't need barrier on plastic and some new, injection molded cars may tolerate floquil.

Also like to know about newer flat finishes.

I had some problems with thin film decals years ago.

Remember the earliest floquil water based paints sold in a kit in half oz bottles? I had great results with it.

HELP!
Ed Mines


Speedwitch

ed_mines
 

Anyone have any news for us "investors".

 

Ed Mines


Re: Southern Black vs. FCR Paint

O Fenton Wells
 

Garth, I built two of those and added the door locks from Westerfield. I
used the F&C ACL car and the only difference i could see is the ACL had a
reinforcing plate on top of the side plate. I didn't notice it until I
finished the car and will not go back and sand it off at this point. Here
is a photo of one of the finished gons.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@embarqmail.com>wrote:



Jim,

Thank you very much for this answer. It was just the sort of information I
was looking for.

Just hours after I sent my question, my copy of RPC 28 arrived. Pages
10-11 have drawings and a photo of a CNO&TP/Southern war emergency
composite gondola. Talk about timing. I have one of the F&C SP models of
this car in my unbuilt pile, and it seems a close match the Southern car
except for the drop doors and their mechanism. I see possibilities.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 4/8/14 12:33 PM, SMMW wrote:

SOU switched to FCR from black on open-top cars around late '57. They
were experimenting with a lot of fonts and color combos starting around
August 57 until 1960-61. It was common to see FCR and black 3-bay hoppers
with Roman lettering in the late 50s/early 60s. If you're modeling pre-57,
it was fairly "standard" although some of the Roman fonts did change (but
base colors didn't).



Jim King

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Re: Southern Black vs. FCR Paint

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jim,

Thank you very much for this answer. It was just the sort of information I was looking for.

Just hours after I sent my question, my copy of RPC 28 arrived. Pages 10-11 have drawings and a photo of a CNO&TP/Southern war emergency composite gondola. Talk about timing. I have one of the F&C SP models of this car in my unbuilt pile, and it seems a close match the Southern car except for the drop doors and their mechanism. I see possibilities.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 4/8/14 12:33 PM, SMMW wrote:

SOU switched to FCR from black on open-top cars around late ’57.  They were experimenting with a lot of fonts and color combos starting around August 57 until 1960-61.  It was common to see FCR and black 3-bay hoppers with Roman lettering in the late 50s/early 60s.  If you’re modeling pre-57, it was fairly “standard” although some of the Roman fonts did change (but base colors didn’t).

 

Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Cell (828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

South-Atlantic Region representative for BJB Products

RTV Silicone moldmaking and urethane casting materials.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/Urethane_Casting_Materials.html

 



Re: heaviest 33" HO wheel sets

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

John and Friends,

Can you still get the old Walthers wheel sets (110 only), the ones they used to supply with the pot metal trucks? These were really heavy, and I got some a few years back to add a bit of extra weight to a flat car.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 4/10/14 9:36 AM, johnsykesiii@... wrote:
 

This is not 100% current, but some time ago, I compared Athearn, Kadee, P2K, Bowser and IM wheelsets and found that the IM wheelsets were the heaviest.  I attributed it to their metal axles which added a smosh to the overall weight.  I weighed 10 wheelsets at a time to get a better scale reading and to average out any minor differences between individual wheelsets.  I did not include NWSL, since I only had the P88 or scale tread wheelsets.  All the ones I did were P110 tread width.  My baseline were Athearn 100% plastic wheelsets which, with my scale, I could not get an accurate weight on, Bowser plastic wheel/metal axle wheelsets were the lowest I could get a reading on, then the P2K (metal wheels/plastic axle) which were in a virtual tie with Kadees (also metal wheels/plastic axles) and the IMs were the heaviest (metal wheels & axles).  I concluded that adding metal wheelsets with metal trucks (or the Kadee high-density plastic) to a model can add between 1/2 gram and 2 full grams to the weight of a model -- and down low where it really counts!  Since Bowser and several other MFRs have changed to a metal/metal wheelset, I have not retried the experiment.


-- John



Re: Still Seeking Info on Semet-Solvay Paint Scheme

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Bill,

I have CFC 2 by Henderson at hand and there's no joy.

Not trusting the index, I went through page by page. Nothing for Semet- Solvay and the Allied Chemical cars have the ACDX reporting marks previously mentioned by Richard Hendrickson, as well as even newer GCX marks in the latest Allied iteration. Some cars are marked "Industrial Chemicals Division", which I would guess is a newer umbrella designation probably incorporating Semet-Solvay and other prior divisions.

You shouldn't have too much remorse about not having this book. There are a few neat cars, but most are beyond the era of this list. Had I seen it before buying, I wouldn't have it either.

Dick

On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:36 AM, <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com
wrote:

A few weeks ago in a previous appeal for photos of Semet-Solvay tank cars with Allied Chemical stenciling also, one person responded offline that he recalled seeing photos of the S-S cars in a one of a series of Freight Car books several years ago. That message has gone astray but I am pretty sure the book in question was part of a series of books done by John Henderson. The were one or maybe two on boxcars, reefers, gons and flat, hoppers, etc., all of which I have, but I never owned the tank car book. I am sure there are people in this group that have a copy of the tank car book. If so, would you please look through it to see if the are any photos of the S-S cars with the Allied Chemical also stenciled. If so, could you please be in contact with Pierre Oliver via Yarmouth Model Works (http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/ ).

I am trying to move this project along to something resembling the finish line as most everything is done or in sight.
Thank you!
Bill Welch


Still Seeking Info on Semet-Solvay Paint Scheme

Bill Welch
 

A few weeks ago in a previous appeal for photos of Semet-Solvay tank cars with Allied Chemical stenciling also, one person responded offline that he recalled seeing photos of the S-S cars in a one of a series of Freight Car books several years ago. That message has gone astray but I am pretty sure the book in question was part of a series of books done by John Henderson. The were one or maybe two on boxcars, reefers, gons and flat, hoppers, etc., all of which I have, but I never owned the tank car book. I am sure there are people in this group that have a copy of the tank car book. If so, would you please look through it to see if the are any photos of the S-S cars with the Allied Chemical also stenciled. If so, could you please be in contact with Pierre Oliver via Yarmouth Model Works (http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/).
I am trying to move this project along to something resembling the finish line as most everything is done or in sight.
Thank you!
Bill Welch


Re: heaviest 33" HO wheel sets

John Sykes III
 

This is not 100% current, but some time ago, I compared Athearn, Kadee, P2K, Bowser and IM wheelsets and found that the IM wheelsets were the heaviest.  I attributed it to their metal axles which added a smosh to the overall weight.  I weighed 10 wheelsets at a time to get a better scale reading and to average out any minor differences between individual wheelsets.  I did not include NWSL, since I only had the P88 or scale tread wheelsets.  All the ones I did were P110 tread width.  My baseline were Athearn 100% plastic wheelsets which, with my scale, I could not get an accurate weight on, Bowser plastic wheel/metal axle wheelsets were the lowest I could get a reading on, then the P2K (metal wheels/plastic axle) which were in a virtual tie with Kadees (also metal wheels/plastic axles) and the IMs were the heaviest (metal wheels & axles).  I concluded that adding metal wheelsets with metal trucks (or the Kadee high-density plastic) to a model can add between 1/2 gram and 2 full grams to the weight of a model -- and down low where it really counts!  Since Bowser and several other MFRs have changed to a metal/metal wheelset, I have not retried the experiment.


-- John


Re: Erie B2 Steam Shovel

Rio Grande Ltd <rgmodels@...>
 

Ithought perhaps you were wondering about models.

eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Heaney
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Erie B2 Steam Shovel

 
Eric

I was asking about the prototype weight so I know how many I can put on a flat car.

Aaron Heaney
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:51 PM, Rio Grande Ltd <rgmodels@...> wrote:
 
a couple of ounces  I guess.

eric



-----Original Message-----
From: wolfhunt1987 <wolfhunt1987@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tue, Apr 8, 2014 6:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Erie B2 Steam Shovel

 

I was wondering what the light weight is for the Erie B2 Steam Shovel, because I would like to make a flat car load with them.

Aaron Heaney



Re: Erie B2 Steam Shovel

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 4/9/2014 7:19 PM, Aaron Heaney wrote:
Eric
I was asking about the prototype weight so I know how many I can put on a flat car.
Aaron Heaney

    Probably many will comment but Eric manufactures* the HO scale model of this item.  It was a joke.

*Rio Grande Ltd

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