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Re: 6-axle gondola questions

water.kresse@...
 

Ted,



How big is the drawing?   Is it the same price to get the digital file so  it can be cut- appart and reduced for use as an illustration  in a Society book?


Al Kresse

C&OHS

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From: "tedander2000" <tedander@core.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:04:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 6-axle gondola questions

From Eric Neubauer's listing of P-S freight cars, I show VGN 50002 built by Standard Steel Car in Butler PA to General Plan drawing #39488, date listed as 7-17. If you are interested in ordering from the IRM Pullman Library ($25 if we have it, plus possibly more drawings) you may contact me off list or at pullmanlibrary@irm.org and we can look it up to see if it is in the collection. Note that 50% of the original drawings are at the PA State Archives in Harrisburg; presumably we have most of the rest for both passenger and freight cars. We have supplied drawings for history research and modeling from before WWI (trench warfare cars) to 1930's and beyond when SSC became part of P-S.
Sincerely, Ted Anderson, IRM Pullman Library curator

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "frank" <bongiovanni1@...> wrote:



Mike; took forever to dig it up.  We were working on a book on the High Capacity Gons of the three Pochahontas roads [the term "battleship" for these is another discussion], and our best information on the 4 Virginian "demonstrators" matches yours.  


Frank Bongiovanni

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mmp70160" <mikepalmieri@> wrote:

I know the N&W and VGN got prototypes of their so-called BATTLESGHIP 6-axle gons before placing large orders, but did the C&O do this too?  I've found information on 1,000 C&O cars - 100000-100999 - but were there any more?

This is the information I have put together on the four VGN prototype cars of 1917, but I'm not sure I have correctly matched the cars with the proper builder.

VGN 50000 Pressed Steel Car Co.
VGN 50001 Cambria Steel Co.
VGN 50002 Standard Steel Car Co.
VGN 50003 VA Bridge & Iron

Can anyone verify this?


Mike Palmieri - Fort Worth, Texas



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Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

I'm with Tony on this one.
Something tells me that the final result will not be as catastrophic as it might first appear.
And there are lots of alternatives available.
And if, in the final analysis, I have to modify a technique to use what will be available, so be it.
Pierre Oliver


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tony Thompson <tony@> wrote:

Greg Martin wrote:

The issue with this is in a year or two if and when the FLOQUIL colors are completely out of the market there is going to be somebody that tells somebody that this is gospel because MICROSCALE said so...
Do we know that all the Floquil and Polly S COLORS are going away, or that the Floquil BRAND is going away? Model Master already carries some paints with railroad names, and maybe they plan to rebrand some of the Floquil ones. The Testor's announcement seems pretty coy about exactly what they will do. There are persistent rumors of possible sale of the Floquil line, also.

That said, we have fine paints out there now in Star Brand and Tru-Color and I am sure I can convert my needs that way. I have already used both for a few projects and they seem to work just fine. I have never been satisfied with Scalecoat but maybe I can revisit that too. So I'm not one of those feeling panicky.

To deach their own! I see the loss of the current Floquil line of paint as no loss at all having largely given up on it forty odd years ago. And with it gone perhaps we will see a quicker introduction of additional colors from True Color, which seems to be the closest thing to the Accu-Paint which I have liked so much for years. I simply cannot understand all the fuss about Floquil ending when common sense tells me that even Testors will offer something else
and more than likely better in teh not too distant future. Then perhaps more folks will have more time for modeling and less need
for fussing over nothing.

Cheers, Don Valentine


Re: P&WV ACF box cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Thanks, Ed and all! It is hard to tell, from limited photos, what the story is on some of these cars. I have been looking at a lot of roof shots recently, and it is awfully hard to tell if the roof was painted as-built, or if, as you say, the roof has peeled, and only the seam caps and rivets have any paint left.

Does anyone know of other photos of this car series not currently on this site? I looked at Bob's collection recently, but did not find any.

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] P&WV ACF box cars (UNCLASSIFIED)




On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

Don't those look like unpainted roofs, with maybe painted seam caps?
Unlike what APPEARS to be the case with the PS-1's...
Your insights are appreciated!
Eldon,
From the ACF bill of materials, the paint specs for these P&WV
1200-1299 series cars are:

Carhide Synthetic Freight Car Paint - sides, ends, roof.
Black - underframe, trucks.
White - stencils.

It wouldn't take much time before a painted roof began to peel from the
galvanized roof sheets.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

I'm with Tony on this one.
Something tells me that the final result will not be as catastrophic as it might first appear.
And there are lots of alternatives available.
And if, in the final analysis, I have to modify a technique to use what will be available, so be it.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Greg Martin wrote:

The issue with this is in a year or two if and when the FLOQUIL colors are completely out of the market there is going to be somebody that tells somebody that this is gospel because MICROSCALE said so...
Do we know that all the Floquil and Polly S COLORS are going away, or that the Floquil BRAND is going away? Model Master already carries some paints with railroad names, and maybe they plan to rebrand some of the Floquil ones. The Testor's announcement seems pretty coy about exactly what they will do. There are persistent rumors of possible sale of the Floquil line, also.

That said, we have fine paints out there now in Star Brand and Tru-Color and I am sure I can convert my needs that way. I have already used both for a few projects and they seem to work just fine. I have never been satisfied with Scalecoat but maybe I can revisit that too. So I'm not one of those feeling panicky.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Tank Car Positioned Next To Locomotive

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Probably empty, as the truck springs don't seem to be compressed?

Staffan Ehnbom

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From: geodyssey
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:48 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tank Car Positioned Next To Locomotive



Tony's right. The car is either 1) empty, no hazmat residue or 2) loaded with a material not requiring a placard (non-hazmat). Placards, if present, can not be used to determine if a car is loaded or residue.

The car is cut in ahead of helpers, but the same car placement rules would apply as if the locos were leading.

Robert Simpson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Michael Seitz <mikefrommontana@...> wrote:
>
> Not having my Official Guide at the ready (and it may not apply to the
> era of the photo), would I be wrong to say that the car is a
> multi-compartment tank. Either that, or it's very short. Also, the
> picture looks like helpers cut in ahead of the caboose, so perhaps the
> loaded car next to the locomotive rule was not as rigidly enforced?
>


Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart

Greg Martin
 

Tony writes:

Do we know that all the Floquil and Polly S COLORS are going away, or that the Floquil BRAND is going away? Model Master already carries some paints with railroad names, and maybe they plan to rebrand some of the Floquil ones. The Testor's announcement seems pretty coy about exactly what they will do. There are persistent rumors of possible sale of the Floquil line, also.


Tony and all,


I have had a few emails with TESTOR® customer service and here is a snippet from one of the messages that seems to be pretty straight forward:



"Hello George,(<<<< TRUST Me this really set/pis$#& me off and there were more emails)

Customer Service was instructed to pass along the formatted e-mail that was provided for us when we were informed that Testors was down sizing
and our facility was closing along with over 100 jobs including Customer Service. We will pass your e-mail onto our Sales/Marketing Dept for review. We don't have any updated information to give to you except that they are reviewing the line to see about keeping some of the colors. They are
still keeping the Testor Model Master, Aztek and models along with the new Testor's CreateFX line that includes some of Floquils weathering and
scenery items.

Thank you for your dedication to the Floquil line and we hope to be able to provide some additional information within the next few weeks.

Best Regards,

The Testor Corporation
Consumer Affairs Department"

I felt that if TESTOR® marketing and Big Daddy Rust-oleum/RPM was only willing to send out a "canned" email then I was going to prod for more information and let them know that there were some of us that were going to stand for a "canned" email so I did and what came from it was a more vivid answer on what their thinking was an how many people lost their jobs, that is the truly sad part of this. IMHO the brand has a history and a following and that spells good will in any business. But bean counters and under thirty-five MBA types have little understanding of things such as good will and brand, they just say, "yeah great idea boss..." just to keep their jobs, but likely in the long run they will be ask to add their names to the bottom of the list as well.
Initially when the word got out, yes, I believe the intent was to dissolve the line entirely, but as the above mentions it is at least under review and if we don't keep the issue of keeping the line alive at least in the MODEL MASTER Line, then in a bit of time the line will quietly go away as planned.
Greg Martin






















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Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart

Scott H. Haycock
 

Another thing to consider is that colors look different under different lighting. A color that matches a model or photo under my railroad's lighting may not match under your railroad's light fixtures. And, different people see colors differently. The only way to judge is to compare the colors under your lighting conditions with your own eyes.


We've all seen model on display in convention halls that look funny, but probably look fine on the owner's home layout!





Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent

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Al,

No paint slinging. I believe the that MICROSCALE has done the hobbyist a
disservice by making a list of "close matches" with out opening the bottles
of the paints on their list making side by side comparisons , posting them
so the consumer has an opportunity to examine them for themselves and saying
the this is a recommended match for this FLOQUIL color. The example I have
used is British Crimson to Red Oxide. Unless Model Master ( TESTOR ®) made a
huge error mixing British Crimson there is no way I would recommend that
to substitute for a "Rich Oxide Red", "Light Tuscan Oxide" or any other
shade of oxide.

The issue with this is in a year or two if and when the FLOQUIL colors are
completely out of the market there is going to be somebody that tells
somebody that this is gospel because MICROSCALE said so...

As Al says there are lot of colors that are acceptable matches for
something like FLOQIL Red Oxide as a Freight car color for many railroads; however
when you've found a match in the FLOQUIL line and it does match a drift
card color of your historical society and now it's gone what do you do, I
guess just start over...

In my most humble opinion there is no good reason to delete the entire
FLOQUIL line arbitrarily. I can see good reasons to delete some colors that
just wouldn't or don't sell and I use CSX colors as an example, I don't
perceiver there are as many modern CSX modelers that actually strip and repaint
or buy undecorated locomotives in today's market. However; their Freight
Car Red is an excellent match to PRR TUSCAN RED (passenger locomotive/car)
color for the post war era. Their SP Lettering Gray is very well matched to
PRR Covered Hopper Gray and there are a host of other colors as well. There
are certain colors that pertained to we Fallin' Flag modelers in the FLOQUIL
line both FLOQUIL and Polyscale that warrant a closer look at the
business. Certainly I don't know of a lot of French WW 2 aircraft modelers that
makes the Model Master Line so profitable. Why not look hard at your numbers
and retain the portion of the business that makes you money.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

abrown @fit. edu writes:

A most interesting list. I humbly suggest that if members know of Floquil
alternatives not listed here (or disagree with those here), we might
advance the cause by posting them. Me, I find Tamiya Red Brown both less red and
less intense than Floquil BCR . I think Testor's Gloss Brown is closer: I'd
call it as "rich" as Floquil BCR but a little browner. Of course, matching
a * Floquil * paint isn't the same as matching a similar *prototype* paint.
IMO, there are 1:1 " BCRs " best matched by each of the three paints named,
and I've used them all. For prototype PFE orange, I think the color sample in
Tony Thompson's book is well-matched by Model Master "Go Mango 1969-70", a
redder orange than plain "Go Mango". I haven't tried the Floquil paint for
that.

Let the mud-slinging begin! (paint-slinging?)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart

Tony Thompson
 

Greg Martin wrote:

The issue with this is in a year or two if and when the FLOQUIL colors are completely out of the market there is going to be somebody that tells somebody that this is gospel because MICROSCALE said so...
Do we know that all the Floquil and Polly S COLORS are going away, or that the Floquil BRAND is going away? Model Master already carries some paints with railroad names, and maybe they plan to rebrand some of the Floquil ones. The Testor's announcement seems pretty coy about exactly what they will do. There are persistent rumors of possible sale of the Floquil line, also.

That said, we have fine paints out there now in Star Brand and Tru-Color and I am sure I can convert my needs that way. I have already used both for a few projects and they seem to work just fine. I have never been satisfied with Scalecoat but maybe I can revisit that too. So I'm not one of those feeling panicky.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: P&WV ACF box cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Greg Martin
 

Elden,

If you are referring to photo number three, and I believe you are as the
builders photo has been "colorized", then look at the contrast of the light
spots in the photo and you would have to come to the same conclusion on the
top surfaces on the corrugations of the doors and the top rib of the
dreadnaught as well as the ladders.

I'll have to agree with Tony it is snow or and extremely wet day and what
you are seeing is reflective light on high contrast photo paper.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 6/10/2013 1:05:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil writes:




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hey folks;

What are your opinions on the non-PhotoShopped (ackkk) versions of the
P&WV ACF box car roofs, esp the "builder's" photo?

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/PWVACFBoxCars/index.html

Don't those look like unpainted roofs, with maybe painted seam caps?

Unlike what APPEARS to be the case with the PS-1's...

Your insights are appreciated!

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE







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Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart

Greg Martin
 

Al,

No paint slinging. I believe the that MICROSCALE has done the hobbyist a
disservice by making a list of "close matches" with out opening the bottles
of the paints on their list making side by side comparisons , posting them
so the consumer has an opportunity to examine them for themselves and saying
the this is a recommended match for this FLOQUIL color. The example I have
used is British Crimson to Red Oxide. Unless Model Master (TESTOR®) made a
huge error mixing British Crimson there is no way I would recommend that
to substitute for a "Rich Oxide Red", "Light Tuscan Oxide" or any other
shade of oxide.

The issue with this is in a year or two if and when the FLOQUIL colors are
completely out of the market there is going to be somebody that tells
somebody that this is gospel because MICROSCALE said so...

As Al says there are lot of colors that are acceptable matches for
something like FLOQIL Red Oxide as a Freight car color for many railroads; however
when you've found a match in the FLOQUIL line and it does match a drift
card color of your historical society and now it's gone what do you do, I
guess just start over...

In my most humble opinion there is no good reason to delete the entire
FLOQUIL line arbitrarily. I can see good reasons to delete some colors that
just wouldn't or don't sell and I use CSX colors as an example, I don't
perceiver there are as many modern CSX modelers that actually strip and repaint
or buy undecorated locomotives in today's market. However; their Freight
Car Red is an excellent match to PRR TUSCAN RED (passenger locomotive/car)
color for the post war era. Their SP Lettering Gray is very well matched to
PRR Covered Hopper Gray and there are a host of other colors as well. There
are certain colors that pertained to we Fallin' Flag modelers in the FLOQUIL
line both FLOQUIL and Polyscale that warrant a closer look at the
business. Certainly I don't know of a lot of French WW 2 aircraft modelers that
makes the Model Master Line so profitable. Why not look hard at your numbers
and retain the portion of the business that makes you money.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


abrown@fit.edu writes:

A most interesting list. I humbly suggest that if members know of Floquil
alternatives not listed here (or disagree with those here), we might
advance the cause by posting them. Me, I find Tamiya Red Brown both less red and
less intense than Floquil BCR. I think Testor's Gloss Brown is closer: I'd
call it as "rich" as Floquil BCR but a little browner. Of course, matching
a *Floquil* paint isn't the same as matching a similar *prototype* paint.
IMO, there are 1:1 "BCRs" best matched by each of the three paints named,
and I've used them all. For prototype PFE orange, I think the color sample in
Tony Thompson's book is well-matched by Model Master "Go Mango 1969-70", a
redder orange than plain "Go Mango". I haven't tried the Floquil paint for
that.

Let the mud-slinging begin! (paint-slinging?)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Devlyn and Group,

Thanks for the effort in reporting your list. It is much appreciated.

It appears that I am going to need to revise the order that I was about to send to Sunshine.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "Devlyn Kalinowski" <devlyn_kalinowski@yahoo.com> wrote:

Seems to be some confusion with my last post here is a list of kits ordered but not received sorry about that

MINI KITS

F5 Baled Metal Scrap Load
F9 Crawler Load
F20 Steel Plate Load

CAR KITS

22.3 CB&Q 1937 built X-14 A-C 50', double door
22.4 CB&Q 1937 built X-14D 50', double door
37.20 SRR 161000 boxcar w/ steel doors and full Interior
40.1.2R ATSF Fe-26 1945 built double door auto/parts car
40.12R SP A-50-13 10'4" IH 40' square corner autocar pre war
40.13R SP A-50-13 10'4" IH 40' square corner autocar post war
40.4R SSW 46300 series 10'6" IH autocar
47.1 Milwaukee 708500-713999 series single sheathed boxcar
48.4 Pennsy G-27 all steel 52'6" gondola
51.2 PRR X-41A Double door 50' boxcar
51.3 PRR X-41B Single 7' door 50' boxcar
58.2 B&O M-27A 9' IH double door
67.12D W&LE/NKP 10 post, 40'steel gondola distressed
67.13D Wabash 40' fixed end, 9 post steel gondola distressed
67.13 Wabash 40' fixed end, 9 post steel gondola
67.2 C&O 40000-43999 series, 9 post, 40' peaked end steel gondola
67.3 C&O 40000-43999 9 post, 40' peaked end steel gon for progress
67.4 C&O 44000-999 series, 9 post, 40' oval end steel gondola
67.5 C&O 44000-999 series, 9 post, 40' oval end steel gondola
69.1 ATSF Fe-P or -T sectional sheathed auto and boxcar
82.4 Overnite trailer
82.6 Bell trailer
83.1 SP A-50-12 10'4" IH, 50' truck/auto parts car
83.2 SSW 47000 series 10'4" IH, 50' auto/truck car
83.7 CNW 51000-51998 series 50' double dr autocar
83.8 MKT 61001-25 series 50' double dr autocar w/ end dr
83.9 MKT 62001-100 series 50' double dr autocar no end dr
89.1 SFRD RR-18 USRA Rebuild Reefer with panel stl roof

TRUCKS

TM6 Pennsy coil-leaf (right) 2D-F12 trucks
TM7 A.R.A. Type Y/Pennsy twin coil 2D-F8 trucks

Sorry for the bad post

Thanks

Devlyn Kalinowski

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Devlyn Kalinowski" <devlyn_kalinowski@...> wrote:

Jim recieved my order about a week ago it was a partial order

Ordered 48 different kit numbers some in multiple quantitys but only received 18 total

mini kits

f5
f9
f20

car kits

22.3
22.4
37.20
40.1.2
40.12
40.13
40.4
45.8
47.1
48.4
51.2
51.3
58.2
67.12D (ordered 2 only received 1)
67.13D
67.13
67.2
67.3
67.4
67.5
69.1 (ordered 2 only received 1)
82.4
82.6
83.1
83.2
83.7
83.8
83.9
89.1

also ordered trucks and did not get them

tm6
tm7

Decals on the other hand were all in stock

Hope this helps!!

Devlyn Kalinowski


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@> wrote:

Thanks Dale. One more for the list. I may get it added this evening.


Jim


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 5:01 PM, dale florence <dwwesley@> wrote:

**


Jim,
Received order yesterday, did not receive Kit 101.4, Santa Fe 50' express
car. Note said due to no inventory.
Dale Florence





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From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@>
To: Stm Frt Cars <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued



My All Time List is the only place on my web site that lists the kit
numbers of all Sunshine kits. On that list I have flagged those kits that
are no longer available. Some have been discontinued for a long time.
we are slowly finding out that more are no longer available. I have flagged
63 kits so far as 'Unavailable 2013'.

Please help me with this. If you receive a partial order, please let me
know the ones you did not receive and I'll flag them on my list as
Unavailable. Please tell me the Kit# and name.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
http://www.sunshinekits.com/

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Re: Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued

Devlyn Kalinowski
 

Seems to be some confusion with my last post here is a list of kits ordered but not received sorry about that

MINI KITS

F5 Baled Metal Scrap Load
F9 Crawler Load
F20 Steel Plate Load

CAR KITS

22.3 CB&Q 1937 built X-14 A-C 50', double door
22.4 CB&Q 1937 built X-14D 50', double door
37.20 SRR 161000 boxcar w/ steel doors and full Interior
40.1.2R ATSF Fe-26 1945 built double door auto/parts car
40.12R SP A-50-13 10'4" IH 40' square corner autocar pre war
40.13R SP A-50-13 10'4" IH 40' square corner autocar post war
40.4R SSW 46300 series 10'6" IH autocar
47.1 Milwaukee 708500-713999 series single sheathed boxcar
48.4 Pennsy G-27 all steel 52'6" gondola
51.2 PRR X-41A Double door 50' boxcar
51.3 PRR X-41B Single 7' door 50' boxcar
58.2 B&O M-27A 9' IH double door
67.12D W&LE/NKP 10 post, 40'steel gondola distressed
67.13D Wabash 40' fixed end, 9 post steel gondola distressed
67.13 Wabash 40' fixed end, 9 post steel gondola
67.2 C&O 40000-43999 series, 9 post, 40' peaked end steel gondola
67.3 C&O 40000-43999 9 post, 40' peaked end steel gon for progress
67.4 C&O 44000-999 series, 9 post, 40' oval end steel gondola
67.5 C&O 44000-999 series, 9 post, 40' oval end steel gondola
69.1 ATSF Fe-P or -T sectional sheathed auto and boxcar
82.4 Overnite trailer
82.6 Bell trailer
83.1 SP A-50-12 10'4" IH, 50' truck/auto parts car
83.2 SSW 47000 series 10'4" IH, 50' auto/truck car
83.7 CNW 51000-51998 series 50' double dr autocar
83.8 MKT 61001-25 series 50' double dr autocar w/ end dr
83.9 MKT 62001-100 series 50' double dr autocar no end dr
89.1 SFRD RR-18 USRA Rebuild Reefer with panel stl roof

TRUCKS

TM6 Pennsy coil-leaf (right) 2D-F12 trucks
TM7 A.R.A. Type Y/Pennsy twin coil 2D-F8 trucks


Sorry for the bad post

Thanks

Devlyn Kalinowski

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Devlyn Kalinowski" <devlyn_kalinowski@...> wrote:

Jim recieved my order about a week ago it was a partial order

Ordered 48 different kit numbers some in multiple quantitys but only received 18 total

mini kits

f5
f9
f20

car kits

22.3
22.4
37.20
40.1.2
40.12
40.13
40.4
45.8
47.1
48.4
51.2
51.3
58.2
67.12D (ordered 2 only received 1)
67.13D
67.13
67.2
67.3
67.4
67.5
69.1 (ordered 2 only received 1)
82.4
82.6
83.1
83.2
83.7
83.8
83.9
89.1

also ordered trucks and did not get them

tm6
tm7

Decals on the other hand were all in stock

Hope this helps!!

Devlyn Kalinowski


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@> wrote:

Thanks Dale. One more for the list. I may get it added this evening.


Jim


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 5:01 PM, dale florence <dwwesley@> wrote:

**


Jim,
Received order yesterday, did not receive Kit 101.4, Santa Fe 50' express
car. Note said due to no inventory.
Dale Florence





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From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@>
To: Stm Frt Cars <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued



My All Time List is the only place on my web site that lists the kit
numbers of all Sunshine kits. On that list I have flagged those kits that
are no longer available. Some have been discontinued for a long time.
we are slowly finding out that more are no longer available. I have flagged
63 kits so far as 'Unavailable 2013'.

Please help me with this. If you receive a partial order, please let me
know the ones you did not receive and I'll flag them on my list as
Unavailable. Please tell me the Kit# and name.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
http://www.sunshinekits.com/



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Re: Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued

Devlyn Kalinowski
 

Richard,

These are kits that I ordered and did not receive I will redo the list as I reread Jims original post after I put this up wanting a description

thanks

Devlyn Kalinowski

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brennan <brennan8@...> wrote:

Devlyn;
The list and the numbers don't seem to add-up... I'm confused!?!?
Is this the Unavailable list? And/or which ones DID you get?

Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA

At 05:29 PM 6/10/2013, Devlyn Kalinowski wrote:
Jim recieved my order about a week ago it was a partial order

Ordered 48 different kit numbers some in multiple quantitys but only
received 18 total

mini kits

f5
f9
f20

car kits

22.3
22.4
37.20
40.1.2
40.12
40.13
40.4
45.8
47.1
48.4
51.2
51.3
58.2
67.12D (ordered 2 only received 1)
67.13D
67.13
67.2
67.3
67.4
67.5
69.1 (ordered 2 only received 1)
82.4
82.6
83.1
83.2
83.7
83.8
83.9
89.1

also ordered trucks and did not get them

tm6
tm7

Decals on the other hand were all in stock

Hope this helps!!

Devlyn Kalinowski


Re: Tank Car Positioned Next To Locomotive

Tony Thompson
 

Robert Simpson wrote:
Tony's right. The car is either 1) empty, no hazmat residue or 2) loaded with a material not requiring a placard (non-hazmat). Placards, if present, can not be used to determine if a car is loaded or residue.
Robert, of course, is quoting (correctly) post-1970 rules. In the period of this list, separate empty placards were used for many commodities.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Devlyn,



I got one 22.3 and one 22.4 from an order placed in July 2011. An order
placed in November 2012 for more of these kits came back 'out of stock'. I
hadn't built them before the second order, but be glad you didn't get these
two kits, because the sides were warped longitudinally, one bowed up on both
ends and the other bowed down on both ends, so it was impossible to square
the sides without partially removing the top row of rivets. This occurred on
both kits and the floors on both kits were 1/16 in. too short, requiring
styrene fills on both ends. I've built 38 Sunshine kits so far, and these
two were the first ones I've found with grossly defective castings.
Obviously, the kit warranty option wasn't really an option under the
circumstances, since there are no more kits, and there may never be any
more, so it's fix the problems and move on.



Nelson Moyer


Re: Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Devlyn;
The list and the numbers don't seem to add-up... I'm confused!?!?
Is this the Unavailable list? And/or which ones DID you get?

Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA

At 05:29 PM 6/10/2013, Devlyn Kalinowski wrote:
Jim recieved my order about a week ago it was a partial order

Ordered 48 different kit numbers some in multiple quantitys but only received 18 total

mini kits

f5
f9
f20

car kits

22.3
22.4
37.20
40.1.2
40.12
40.13
40.4
45.8
47.1
48.4
51.2
51.3
58.2
67.12D (ordered 2 only received 1)
67.13D
67.13
67.2
67.3
67.4
67.5
69.1 (ordered 2 only received 1)
82.4
82.6
83.1
83.2
83.7
83.8
83.9
89.1

also ordered trucks and did not get them

tm6
tm7

Decals on the other hand were all in stock

Hope this helps!!

Devlyn Kalinowski


Re: Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued

Devlyn Kalinowski
 

Jim recieved my order about a week ago it was a partial order

Ordered 48 different kit numbers some in multiple quantitys but only received 18 total

mini kits

f5
f9
f20

car kits

22.3
22.4
37.20
40.1.2
40.12
40.13
40.4
45.8
47.1
48.4
51.2
51.3
58.2
67.12D (ordered 2 only received 1)
67.13D
67.13
67.2
67.3
67.4
67.5
69.1 (ordered 2 only received 1)
82.4
82.6
83.1
83.2
83.7
83.8
83.9
89.1

also ordered trucks and did not get them

tm6
tm7

Decals on the other hand were all in stock

Hope this helps!!

Devlyn Kalinowski

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

Thanks Dale. One more for the list. I may get it added this evening.


Jim


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 5:01 PM, dale florence <dwwesley@...> wrote:

**


Jim,
Received order yesterday, did not receive Kit 101.4, Santa Fe 50' express
car. Note said due to no inventory.
Dale Florence





________________________________
From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...>
To: Stm Frt Cars <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine kits - Available, Unavailable, Discontinued



My All Time List is the only place on my web site that lists the kit
numbers of all Sunshine kits. On that list I have flagged those kits that
are no longer available. Some have been discontinued for a long time.
we are slowly finding out that more are no longer available. I have flagged
63 kits so far as 'Unavailable 2013'.

Please help me with this. If you receive a partial order, please let me
know the ones you did not receive and I'll flag them on my list as
Unavailable. Please tell me the Kit# and name.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
http://www.sunshinekits.com/



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links







Re: Tank Car Positioned Next To Locomotive

geodyssey <riverob@...>
 

Tony's right. The car is either 1) empty, no hazmat residue or 2) loaded with a material not requiring a placard (non-hazmat). Placards, if present, can not be used to determine if a car is loaded or residue.

The car is cut in ahead of helpers, but the same car placement rules would apply as if the locos were leading.

Robert Simpson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Michael Seitz <mikefrommontana@...> wrote:

Not having my Official Guide at the ready (and it may not apply to the
era of the photo), would I be wrong to say that the car is a
multi-compartment tank. Either that, or it's very short. Also, the
picture looks like helpers cut in ahead of the caboose, so perhaps the
loaded car next to the locomotive rule was not as rigidly enforced?


Re: Tank Car Positioned Next To Locomotive

mikefrommontanan
 

Not having my Official Guide at the ready (and it may not apply to the era of the photo), would I be wrong to say that the car is a multi-compartment tank. Either that, or it's very short. Also, the picture looks like helpers cut in ahead of the caboose, so perhaps the loaded car next to the locomotive rule was not as rigidly enforced?


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Re: P&WV ACF box cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hey folks;

What are your opinions on the non-PhotoShopped (ackkk) versions of the P&WV ACF box car roofs, esp the "builder's" photo?

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/PWVACFBoxCars/index.html

Don't those look like unpainted roofs, with maybe painted seam caps?
Actually, the builder's photo appears to be colorized, note that while the body is brown, and the sideframes are black, everything else appears to be gray tones. As such, the color information is suspect.

However, as luck would have it, I was just looking at the B&W version of that same photo not thirty minutes ago, published in Greg martin's article in the September, 1993 issue of Mainline Modeler. What it shows appears to match what Ed Hawkins just posted the seam caps and the flange of the roof panels are painted.

Dennis

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