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Re: CMO Freight Car Color for 1949?

aaejj2j
 

Thank you to Ed and Richard for your responses and time. I will assume the underframe and trucks were black for my older cars; weathering helps blend them. The black ends and roofs I will assume are applicable to box cars at least ones with steel ends and roofs. So I am assuming the gondola and flat bodies (except underframe) are a box car red/brown.
Many of you might remember that Model Railroader ran a series of Color Charts in the mid 1940s for many railroads. These were labeled as from the Mechanical Dept of the applicable railroad. I always really treasured these. Unfortunately I could not find one for the Omaha Rd in the photocopies I have in my messy files. Prehaps this is something Kalmbach might want to republish is a little handbook. Cetainly useful for the modelers from the 1940s into the 1950s.
It is Father's Day in the US and I am not sure where else it is observed - but Happy Father's Day to all of you.
Thanks,
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL


Re: 410M - True or False?

John
 

This is an example of a point I just brought up on the PCL. It is why I don't trust reviews in paper magazines. On a scale of 1 to 10 with a perfect 10 being the best, they are not going to give an honest #1 to a junky model from a major advertiser. Which then leads manufacturers to say, "Hey, this model must be right on, we got a great review in ____!" and generates a continuing trend of mediocre models. Then they can't understand why they get blasted on a website like this or the PCL or PRR-Modeling. It's getting so I only trust non-advertiser e-zine reviews by subject matter experts these days.

Jaded -- John

P.S. I am not criticizing any one specific organization's business practices here, just a general complaint.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:

I seem to recall hearing that the owner of the 410M line took
offence to Model Railroader publishing tips and/or articles promoting
the use of stove polish to blacken locomotives and trucks. Stove
polish then being commonly available in hardware stores and much
cheaper than model paint, the owner felt his advertising dollar was
being used to undercut his business.
True story or figment of an aged memory?
Chuck Peck


Re: 410M - True or False?

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello Chuck,

The way I heard the story at Kalmbach, it was Floquil that objected to John Page's "Model Railroader" article about painting steam locomotive models with stove polish. I believe he wrote one his "Looking back" reminiscence columns describing the incident. Anyway, after a relatively brief period of withholding advertising, Floquil returned to advertise in MR for many years.

So long,

Andy 


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Re: 410M - True or False?

O Fenton Wells
 

True story and is documented in the 1950's MR when John Page was editor.
Fenton Wells

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, lnnrr <lnnrr@yahoo.com> wrote:

**


I seem to recall hearing that the owner of the 410M line took
offence to Model Railroader publishing tips and/or articles promoting
the use of stove polish to blacken locomotives and trucks. Stove
polish then being commonly available in hardware stores and much
cheaper than model paint, the owner felt his advertising dollar was
being used to undercut his business.
True story or figment of an aged memory?
Chuck Peck




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Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: 410M - True or False?

Germain Golembowski <golembo@...>
 

I believe the company was Floiquil rather then 410M.

G A "Jerry" Golembowski
Grandy NC

----- Original Message -----
From: lnnrr<mailto:lnnrr@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] 410M - True or False?



I seem to recall hearing that the owner of the 410M line took
offence to Model Railroader publishing tips and/or articles promoting
the use of stove polish to blacken locomotives and trucks. Stove
polish then being commonly available in hardware stores and much
cheaper than model paint, the owner felt his advertising dollar was
being used to undercut his business.
True story or figment of an aged memory?
Chuck Peck


410M - True or False?

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

I seem to recall hearing that the owner of the 410M line took
offence to Model Railroader publishing tips and/or articles promoting
the use of stove polish to blacken locomotives and trucks. Stove
polish then being commonly available in hardware stores and much
cheaper than model paint, the owner felt his advertising dollar was
being used to undercut his business.
True story or figment of an aged memory?
Chuck Peck


Re: Tahoe Model Works Trucks

Charles Happel
 

What is the regular axle length used on your trucks?

Chuck Happel



"I never said half the crap people said I did."

Albert Einstein

--- On Sat, 6/15/13, Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Tahoe Model Works Trucks
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 15, 2013, 2:00 PM
















 









Hello Everyone,



I am able to offer to readers of this post all of the Tahoe trucks made by Brian Leppert. TMW is waiting for wheelsets from their supplier, so I am selling ONLY wheelset-less truck pairs. Many wheelsets are viable candidates, such as Kadee, P2K, NWSL, JayBee, Exactrail and others.



Here is the complete list available:



001  plain Dalman 2-level

002 Dalman 2-level with lateralmotion device

003 40-50 ton 5'6" wb Archbar

004 Bettendorf swing motion caboose

005 Barber-Bettendorf swing motion caboose

006 Buckeye spring-plank 50 ton cast steel

007 Double truss

008 coil-elliptic 50 ton

009 Barber lateral motion

010 ASF ride control 70-ton

011 5'0" wb Archbar

012 USRA Andrews

013 Barber S2 w/ spring plank



All are available, and all are priced at $3.50/pair. Shipping is $2.65/order.



If interested, please contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>



I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee, I can also accept PayPal.

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA



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Refrigerator totals from 7/1950 ORER

al_brown03
 

Hi Bill --

ART 10,756

MDT 9666 (*)
NRC 3332 freight (*)

PFE 38192 freight

SFRD 14477

FGE 11737 (*)
WFE 5278 freight (*)
BRE 1609 freight (*)
CX 159
FWDX 73 (BRE system 1841 freight total)
National Car system 1256 freight (*)

(*) Various reporting marks.

Hope this helps,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: CB&Q FM-11/11A

al_brown03
 

In RP CYC 20, p 42, there's a photo of CB&Q 91728 which shows part of one end.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Looking for a prototype photo of a CB&Q FM-11/11A showing the ends of the
car. Thanks.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY





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Re: 1945, 1948, 1950, 1957 ORER help request

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Bill,

I have the July 1948 ORER. I assume you need only the numbers, not scanned pages?

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
To: Steam Era Freight cars
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] 1945, 1948, 1950, 1957 ORER help request



Comrades

I am working on a new version of a table I created a few years ago
for my presentation in July at the Atlanta NMRA Convention that
compares the five largest freight refrigerator car fleets. However my
ambition outstrips my ORER collection so I thought I would ask for help.

If you have an ORER for 1945, 1948, 1950, or 1957, preferably an
April or July edition, can you send me the total Freight Refrigerator
cars for ART, MDT/NRC, PFE, SFRD and FGE/WFE/BRE/National Car system.
Two notes on these totals. The BRE totals should include the cars
with CX and FWDX reporting marks. Second, the WFE, BRE, PFE, and NRC
entrees include passenger equipment, but please DO NOT include these
figures in the totals.

If you can help me with any of these, please contact me offline at
the address below. Thank you!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart and the saga of 410M

Rhbale@...
 

Stewart Lundhall should read Stewart/Lundahl. Sorry for the sloppy error
and I plan to have a serious talk with my spell checker.

Richard Bale

In a message dated 6/15/2013 8:14:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Rhbale@aol.com writes:





Model Die Casting (MDC), the manufacturing end of Roundhouse Models, was
established just before the outbreak of World War II. After the war, MDC
owner Clarence Menteer became very aggressive in the HO market and
released a
wide selection of pre-painted kits.
When Menteer realized he was using a sizable volume of paint specially
mixed in railroad colors, he decided to sell small bottles through his
already
established channels of distribution. He branded the paint 410M. No one
seems to know where the name came from, but handling the paint quickly
became
a distraction to MDCs regular business and the 410M paint line was sold to
Stewart Lundhall.
Throughout most of the 1950’s and 1960s, Stewart Lundhall Company, Central
Valley Models, and Cliff Line were neighbors in the San Fernando Valley
community of North Hollywood. They were all within a block or two of
Saticoy
Street and Coldwater Canyon Avenue. Charlie Ulrich was on Van Owen, about
a
mile east of the others. They shared ideas, tools, parts, and paint - 410M
paint.
Stewart Lundhall promoted 410M paint successfully until January 1963 when
the entire product line, including Plasticate a specialty product for
styrene models, was purchased by Charles Ulrich. In 1965 Ulrich repackaged
410M
paint in 15cc bottles which carried a suggested retail price of 25¢ each.
The line was further expanded in 1967 to 24 railroad colors. Ulrich trade
ads for rolling stock and vehicles invariably included a small logo or
reference to 410M paint.
During the second half of the 1960s, Floquil began to promote their brand
of paint heavily and greatly expanded the selection of railroad colors.
The
competition was heating up and 410M sales, which had never been
particularly profitable for Ulrich, began to slide. Ulrich’s strength was
in die
casting and after late 1968, trade ads for other Ulrich products no longer
included _the 410M tag.
The following year, Charlie Ulrich and his wife “Muggs” decided it was
time to retire and began looking for a suitable buyer. A deal was struck
with
Walthers and in 1970 the entire Ulrich line, including WIP, finished
goods, tools and fixtures, was shipped to Milwaukee, where it sat for many
months. The acquisition was announced in a press release issued to the
trade
over the signature of Bruce Walthers. 410M paint was not mentioned.
Presumably, the line had simply faded away.

Richard Bale

In a message dated 6/11/2013 4:26:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,





_ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/) _robsmom@pcisys.net_
(mailto:robsmom@pcisys.net) _ writes:

The 410M was used by several of the kit producers in SoCal and was
always a perfect match for the Ulrich and Silver Steak kits I had on
hand for my Espee and PE cars. I was not a happy modeler at the time.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

William Keene wrote:

Larry and Group,

I do not remember much about 410M being discontinued. There was not much
said in the hobby press at the time. I think we just accepted that the
line
was finished. Remember at this time there was not much we could do other
than gripe to ourselves. Today we can gripe to anyone that wants to take
the
time to listen on the new social media outlets.

BTW... I believe that there is still a couple of bottles of this stuff in
the deep corner of my paint stash box. Those colors would be BCR and BCB.
Not sure if they are still good or not.

Cheers and Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


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Question for all you Oldtimers.....Was there this much Fuss when 410M
was discontinued????? Larry Mennie

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Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart




Tony writes:

Do we know that all the Floquil and Polly S COLORS are going away, or
that the Floquil BRAND is going away? Model Master already carries some
paints with railroad names, and maybe they plan to rebrand some of the
Floquil
ones. The Testor's announcement seems pretty coy about exactly what they
will do. There are persistent rumors of possible sale of the Floquil line,
also.

Tony and all,

I have had a few emails with TESTOR® customer service and here is a
snippet from one of the messages that seems to be pretty straight forward:

"Hello George,(<<<< TRUST Me this really set/pis$#& me off and there
were more emails)

Customer Service was instructed to pass along the formatted e-mail that
was provided for us when we were informed that Testors was down sizing
and our facility was closing along with over 100 jobs including Customer
Service. We will pass your e-mail onto our Sales/Marketing Dept for
review. We don't have any updated information to give to you except that
they are
reviewing the line to see about keeping some of the colors. They are
still keeping the Testor Model Master, Aztek and models along with the
new Testor's CreateFX line that includes some of Floquils weathering and
scenery items.

Thank you for your dedication to the Floquil line and we hope to be able
to provide some additional information within the next few weeks.

Best Regards,

The Testor Corporation
Consumer Affairs Department"

I felt that if TESTOR® marketing and Big Daddy Rust-oleum/RPM was only
willing to send out a "canned" email then I was going to prod for more
information and let them know that there were some of us that were going
to
stand for a "canned" email so I did and what came from it was a more vivid
answer on what their thinking was an how many people lost their jobs, that
is
the truly sad part of this. IMHO the brand_ has a history and a following
and that spells good will in any business. But bean counters and under
thirty-five MBA types have little understanding of things such as good
will and
brand, they just say, "yeah great idea boss..." just to keep their jobs,
but
likely in the long run they will be ask to add their names to the bottom
of the list as well.
Initially when the word got out, yes, I believe the intent was to
dissolve the line entirely, but as the above mentions it is at least under
review
and if we don't keep the issue of keeping the line alive at least in the
MODEL MASTER Line, then in a bit of time the line will quietly go away as
planned.
Greg Martin

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Re: 1945, 1948, 1950, 1957 ORER help request

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 15, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Comrades

I am working on a new version of a table I created a few years ago
for my presentation in July at the Atlanta NMRA Convention that
compares the five largest freight refrigerator car fleets. However my
ambition outstrips my ORER collection so I thought I would ask for help.

If you have an ORER for 1945, 1948, 1950, or 1957, preferably an
April or July edition, can you send me the total Freight Refrigerator
cars for ART, MDT/NRC, PFE, SFRD and FGE/WFE/BRE/National Car system.
Two notes on these totals. The BRE totals should include the cars
with CX and FWDX reporting marks. Second, the WFE, BRE, PFE, and NRC
entrees include passenger equipment, but please DO NOT include these
figures in the totals.

If you can help me with any of these, please contact me offline at
the address below. Thank you!
Bill, I have ORERs for 1/45, 1/48, and 10/50 and can scan the relevant pages for you if that will help.

Richard Hendrickson


1945, 1948, 1950, 1957 ORER help request

Bill Welch
 

Comrades

I am working on a new version of a table I created a few years ago
for my presentation in July at the Atlanta NMRA Convention that
compares the five largest freight refrigerator car fleets. However my
ambition outstrips my ORER collection so I thought I would ask for help.

If you have an ORER for 1945, 1948, 1950, or 1957, preferably an
April or July edition, can you send me the total Freight Refrigerator
cars for ART, MDT/NRC, PFE, SFRD and FGE/WFE/BRE/National Car system.
Two notes on these totals. The BRE totals should include the cars
with CX and FWDX reporting marks. Second, the WFE, BRE, PFE, and NRC
entrees include passenger equipment, but please DO NOT include these
figures in the totals.

If you can help me with any of these, please contact me offline at
the address below. Thank you!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: CMO Freight Car Color for 1949?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 15, 2013, at 12:23 PM, aaejj2j <tyrone.johnsen@hotmail.com> wrote:

What was the color scheme for the Omaha Road freight cars in 1949? Specifically box cars, flats, and gondolas are of interest. I assume the bodies are of a typical freight car red (not interested in the specific shade). But what I am interested in is the color of the trucks and other features, e.g. underframe, ends, roof - where the trucks or any of these features black?
Tyrone, I have several photos of CMO cars either built new or repainted from the mid 1940s through the mid 1950s, and it appears that on both new and repainted cars the ends, roofs, and underbodies (including trucks) were black. Cars built or repainted in the early '40s, however, do not appear to have black ends or roofs, just black underbodies and trucks.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: CMO Freight Car Color for 1949?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:23 PM, aaejj2j wrote:

What was the color scheme for the Omaha Road freight cars in 1949?
Specifically box cars, flats, and gondolas are of interest. I assume
the bodies are of a typical freight car red (not interested in the
specific shade). But what I am interested in is the color of the
trucks and other features, e.g. underframe, ends, roof - where the
trucks or any of these features black?
Thank you,
Tyrone Johnsen
Tyrone,
The closest I can find were CMO box cars built by ACF in 10-48 and by
Pullman-Standard in 11-48. The ACF paint specs for CMO 38300-39098
(even) were DuPont CNW #3 for the sides and trucks (side frames).
Everything else black.

The builder's photo of PS-1s 39100-39498 (even) show red sides with
black ends. The underframe and roof was very likely black, but I cannot
confirm without having Pullman paint specs for these cars. A B&W photo
of CMO 39254 in new paint was taken by W.E. Frost (City of Vancouver
Collection) on March 5, 1949. However, from both photos I cannot
determine with any certainty the trucks color.

A color photo of CMO 39132 is available from Bob's Photo. The car has a
reweigh stencils 11-55, and the photo date is 1959. The trucks look
pretty dark, but the original color is difficult to tell for sure with
10 years of use.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


CMO Freight Car Color for 1949?

aaejj2j
 

What was the color scheme for the Omaha Road freight cars in 1949? Specifically box cars, flats, and gondolas are of interest. I assume the bodies are of a typical freight car red (not interested in the specific shade). But what I am interested in is the color of the trucks and other features, e.g. underframe, ends, roof - where the trucks or any of these features black?
Thank you,
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL


Tahoe Model Works Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Hello Everyone,

I am able to offer to readers of this post all of the Tahoe trucks made by Brian Leppert. TMW is waiting for wheelsets from their supplier, so I am selling ONLY wheelset-less truck pairs. Many wheelsets are viable candidates, such as Kadee, P2K, NWSL, JayBee, Exactrail and others.

Here is the complete list available:

001  plain Dalman 2-level
002 Dalman 2-level with lateralmotion device
003 40-50 ton 5'6" wb Archbar
004 Bettendorf swing motion caboose
005 Barber-Bettendorf swing motion caboose
006 Buckeye spring-plank 50 ton cast steel
007 Double truss
008 coil-elliptic 50 ton
009 Barber lateral motion
010 ASF ride control 70-ton
011 5'0" wb Archbar
012 USRA Andrews
013 Barber S2 w/ spring plank

All are available, and all are priced at $3.50/pair. Shipping is $2.65/order.

If interested, please contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>

I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee, I can also accept PayPal.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart and the saga of 410M

Rhbale@...
 

Model Die Casting (MDC), the manufacturing end of Roundhouse Models, was
established just before the outbreak of World War II. After the war, MDC
owner Clarence Menteer became very aggressive in the HO market and released a
wide selection of pre-painted kits.
When Menteer realized he was using a sizable volume of paint specially
mixed in railroad colors, he decided to sell small bottles through his already
established channels of distribution. He branded the paint 410M. No one
seems to know where the name came from, but handling the paint quickly became
a distraction to MDCs regular business and the 410M paint line was sold to
Stewart Lundhall.
Throughout most of the 1950’s and 1960s, Stewart Lundhall Company, Central
Valley Models, and Cliff Line were neighbors in the San Fernando Valley
community of North Hollywood. They were all within a block or two of Saticoy
Street and Coldwater Canyon Avenue. Charlie Ulrich was on Van Owen, about a
mile east of the others. They shared ideas, tools, parts, and paint - 410M
paint.
Stewart Lundhall promoted 410M paint successfully until January 1963 when
the entire product line, including Plasticate a specialty product for
styrene models, was purchased by Charles Ulrich. In 1965 Ulrich repackaged 410M
paint in 15cc bottles which carried a suggested retail price of 25¢ each.
The line was further expanded in 1967 to 24 railroad colors. Ulrich trade
ads for rolling stock and vehicles invariably included a small logo or
reference to 410M paint.
During the second half of the 1960s, Floquil began to promote their brand
of paint heavily and greatly expanded the selection of railroad colors. The
competition was heating up and 410M sales, which had never been
particularly profitable for Ulrich, began to slide. Ulrich’s strength was in die
casting and after late 1968, trade ads for other Ulrich products no longer
included the 410M tag.
The following year, Charlie Ulrich and his wife “Muggs” decided it was
time to retire and began looking for a suitable buyer. A deal was struck with
Walthers and in 1970 the entire Ulrich line, including WIP, finished
goods, tools and fixtures, was shipped to Milwaukee, where it sat for many
months. The acquisition was announced in a press release issued to the trade
over the signature of Bruce Walthers. 410M paint was not mentioned.
Presumably, the line had simply faded away.

Richard Bale

In a message dated 6/11/2013 4:26:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
robsmom@pcisys.net writes:




The 410M was used by several of the kit producers in SoCal and was
always a perfect match for the Ulrich and Silver Steak kits I had on
hand for my Espee and PE cars. I was not a happy modeler at the time.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

William Keene wrote:

Larry and Group,

I do not remember much about 410M being discontinued. There was not much
said in the hobby press at the time. I think we just accepted that the line
was finished. Remember at this time there was not much we could do other
than gripe to ourselves. Today we can gripe to anyone that wants to take the
time to listen on the new social media outlets.

BTW... I believe that there is still a couple of bottles of this stuff in
the deep corner of my paint stash box. Those colors would be BCR and BCB.
Not sure if they are still good or not.

Cheers and Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:07_ PM, mrprksr <



_ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/) _mrprksr@bellsouth.net_
(mailto:mrprksr@bellsouth.net) _> wrote:



Question for all you Oldtimers.....Was there this much Fuss when 410M
was discontinued????? Larry Mennie

________________________________
From: "_ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/) _tgregmrtn@aol.com_
(mailto:tgregmrtn@aol.com) _" <_ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/)
_tgregmrtn@aol.com_ (mailto:tgregmrtn@aol.com) _>
To: _ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/) _STMFC@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Floquil Alternatives Paint Chart




Tony writes:

Do we know that all the Floquil and Polly S COLORS are going away, or
that the Floquil BRAND is going away? Model Master already carries some
paints with railroad names, and maybe they plan to rebrand some of the Floquil
ones. The Testor's announcement seems pretty coy about exactly what they
will do. There are persistent rumors of possible sale of the Floquil line,
also.

Tony and all,

I have had a few emails with TESTOR® customer service and here is a
snippet from one of the messages that seems to be pretty straight forward:

"Hello George,(<<<< TRUST Me this really set/pis$#& me off and there
were more emails)

Customer Service was instructed to pass along the formatted e-mail that
was provided for us when we were informed that Testors was down sizing
and our facility was closing along with over 100 jobs including Customer
Service. We will pass your e-mail onto our Sales/Marketing Dept for
review. We don't have any updated information to give to you except that they are
reviewing the line to see about keeping some of the colors. They are
still keeping the Testor Model Master, Aztek and models along with the
new Testor's CreateFX line that includes some of Floquils weathering and
scenery items.

Thank you for your dedication to the Floquil line and we hope to be able
to provide some additional information within the next few weeks.

Best Regards,

The Testor Corporation
Consumer Affairs Department"

I felt that if TESTOR® marketing and Big Daddy Rust-oleum/RPM was only
willing to send out a "canned" email then I was going to prod for more
information and let them know that there were some of us that were going to
stand for a "canned" email so I did and what came from it was a more vivid
answer on what their thinking was an how many people lost their jobs, that is
the truly sad part of this. IMHO the brand_ has a history and a following
and that spells good will in any business. But bean counters and under
thirty-five MBA types have little understanding of things such as good will and
brand, they just say, "yeah great idea boss..." just to keep their jobs, but
likely in the long run they will be ask to add their names to the bottom
of the list as well.
Initially when the word got out, yes, I believe the intent was to
dissolve the line entirely, but as the above mentions it is at least under review
and if we don't keep the issue of keeping the line alive at least in the
MODEL MASTER Line, then in a bit of time the line will quietly go away as
planned.
Greg Martin

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Re: Car destroyed in wrecks

Chet
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Recently I posted a message asking if the ARA/AAR kept records on
cars destroyed in wrecks and learned they did not. My memory is I was
working on some tables tracing car quantities in the various FGE/WFE/
BRE number series and wanted to better understand the numbers I was
seeing. Anyway, last night I was looking through some FGE Annual
Reports and found some figures for wreck losses for six years in the
1940's. There were over 14,000 cars in FGE's fleet the course of the
first three years.

1942 71 cars
1943 117 cars
1944 144 cars
1947 142 cars
1948 63 cars
1949 85 cars

I have records of the cars the Wabash lost each year as a result
of wrecks, fire, and failing in switching for the years 1945
through 1960. I only included revenue cars.

For the year 1948, 47 cars were destroyed, 43 in wrecks and four by
fire. Twenty five railroads in the U.S, and Mexico were involved including the home road. The largest number of cars destroyed on one railroad was eight on the PRR.

In 1953, forty cars were destroyed, 32 in wrecks, 4 in fires, and
four that failed in switching. Seventeen railroads in the U.S. and
Mexico were involved. That year the Wabash led with nine cars
destroyed on home rails.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


CB&Q FM-11/11A

Brian Carlson
 

Looking for a prototype photo of a CB&Q FM-11/11A showing the ends of the
car. Thanks.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

65561 - 65580 of 182233