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Re: drill bits

Charles Hladik
 

Bob,
    That happens quite often. It seems to mean "and". If the person uses an ampersand it will sometimes come out like that. Don't know why.
Chuck Hladik
 

In a message dated 10/2/2013 6:01:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobslavinski@... writes:
 

Hi All...has anyone else noticed extra letters and symbols being added to their messages after they are sent or is it just my computer?  The letters and symbols are "'" and they appear in the middle of some words...check out Clarks response to see what I mean..this problem started yesterday for me....thanks, Bob Slavinski

From: Misc Clark
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] drill bits
 
great! what's the seller's ID?
Clark Cone
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 
I bought some # 77 & 78 drill bits on e bay which were made in the USA. Price was right, quality good.
 
Ed Mines


Re: Westerfield kits

al_brown03
 

No. I got two hoppers from him, #2361 PRR GLca and #5754 B&O N-15, both flat kits. I don't know of a comprehensive list.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Westerfield kits

ed_mines
 

Do all of the Westerfield kits now being sold by the new owner have one piece bodies?


Re: drill bits

Tony Thompson
 

Rick Aylsworth wrote:

 
Hi Tim, "high speed" steel or HSS is a highly alloyed steel (M2 is a common alloy) that holds an edge at a dull red heat. Therefore it can withstand "high speed" drilling. For modeling purposes, it is simply a more wear-resistant bit than carbon steel. HSS is the most common for general purpose drill bits. Carbon steel is inferior, and is used for cheaper bits, which are often made to lower standards of accuracy.

       And HSS bits are not as brittle as plain carbon bits. That makes a real difference too.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: drill bits

rick@...
 

Hi Tim, "high speed" steel or HSS is a highly alloyed steel (M2 is a common alloy) that holds an edge at a dull red heat. Therefore it can withstand "high speed" drilling. For modeling purposes, it is simply a more wear-resistant bit than carbon steel. HSS is the most common for general purpose drill bits. Carbon steel is inferior, and is used for cheaper bits, which are often made to lower standards of accuracy.


Fast spiral bits have more "twists" per unit length, and are used in hard materials and those that work-harden. Slow spiral bits have fewer twists per unit length, and are used in soft materials. Standard bits are a good compromise for most modeling purposes, and are typically cheaper because they are most common.


Hope this helps,

Rick Aylsworth



---In stmfc@..., <ed_mines@...> wrote:

I bought them from dovehouse

 

Ed Mines


drill bits

ed_mines
 

I bought them from dovehouse

 

Ed Mines


(No subject)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 2, 2013, at 12:05 PM, "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:

 
I am trying to come up with documentation on a Grace Tank Car Lines box car GRYX 1018 that was painted up c. 1931 for the Empire Dustless Fuel Company of Centerville, Iowa.

The Westerfield 1930 and 1935 ORER discs only show GRYX tank cars and there doesn’t appear to be a listing for Empire Fuel Company.

It appears since the car had full reporting marks and was modified with roof hatches it was intended for interchange and the number series suggests that there were other cars since all the GRYX tank cars at that point in time were numbered under 1000.

Charlie, the 11/31 ORER shows 78 tank cars owned by John H. Grace &Co. and operated under GRYX reporting marks, but no box cars.  By 7/33
the Grace Co.'s ORER listing had disappeared, suggesting that Grace (like many other small tank car leasing companies) could not survive the depression and was bought by one of its larger competitors like General American or Union Tank Line.  As the GRYX reporting marks are absent from the 7/33 ORER index, there's no clue as to where the GRYX fleet went.  Access to a complete set of ORERS for that time period might make it possible to answer your question.

Richard Hendrickson


Railroad Prototype Modelers-Valley Forge

prr282
 

Advance notice: The 6th Railroad Prototype Modelers-Valley Forge is being held on March 28-30, 2014.  The location is the same great hotel as previous years, The Desmond Hotel in Malvern, PA, about 20 miles west of Philadelphia and convenient to the PA Turnpike and US 202.  Thursday evening and Friday morning operating sessions are being offered. Dozens of different clinics, models display room, vendors, and a Sunday Layout Tour are all on the Timetable.
Please visit our web site:
  
           www.phillynmra.org/rpmmeet.html

 

There you will find a complete timetable, hotel information, and a registration form.

 

Paul Backenstose, Chairman


(No subject)

Charlie Vlk
 

I am trying to come up with documentation on a Grace Tank Car Lines box car GRYX 1018 that was painted up c. 1931 for the Empire Dustless Fuel Company of Centerville, Iowa.

The Westerfield 1930 and 1935 ORER discs only show GRYX tank cars and there doesn’t appear to be a listing for Empire Fuel Company.

It appears since the car had full reporting marks and was modified with roof hatches it was intended for interchange and the number series suggests that there were other cars since all the GRYX tank cars at that point in time were numbered under 1000.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Charlie Vlk

 


Re: drill bits

Tom Madden
 

If you read Tim's post on the web site, you'll note there are 10 posts on this topic. It's startling to see that some of them are from Larry Jackman! No, Larry isn't contributing from the Great Machine Shop in the Sky. Yahoo considers posts with the same subjects to all belong to the same thread, no matter how old. Larry's posts date from 2003. Tom Madden, just arrived in Dublin by train from Belfast.


Re: drill bits

Bob Slavinski
 

Hi All...has anyone else noticed extra letters and symbols being added to their messages after they are sent or is it just my computer?  The letters and symbols are "&apos;" and they appear in the middle of some words...check out Clarks response to see what I mean..this problem started yesterday for me....thanks, Bob Slavinski

From: Misc Clark
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] drill bits
 
great! what&apos;s the seller&apos;s ID?
Clark Cone
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 
I bought some # 77 & 78 drill bits on e bay which were made in the USA. Price was right, quality good.
 
Ed Mines


Re: drill bits

Misc Clark
 

great! what's the seller's ID?
Clark Cone


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 

I bought some # 77 & 78 drill bits on e bay which were made in the USA. Price was right, quality good.

 

Ed Mines



Re: Tell Tale Extra -- Train Sheets

J.A. Phillips
 

FHP-

We have a solid collection for the NP's Tacoma Division (western Washington) from about 1950 through to the BN merger of 1970. Most of the NP train sheets -- I believe -- will be from the 1950s. I am not sure about the extent of the MILW and GN sheets available. My presumption is they will be of a later vintage. It's a good question though and I will ask the presenters if they can narrow it down and pass it along to the list.

73
John Phillips
Seattle

"I will put down the informal history of the shirt-sleeve multitude," says Inez Mischitz. "What they had to say about their jobs, love affairs, vittles, sprees, scrapes and and sorrows. The oral history is a great hodgepodge and kitchen midden of hearsay. A repository of jabber. An omnium-gatherum of bushwah, gab, palaver, hogwash, flap-doodle and malarkey. The fruit of more than 20,000 conversations. What people say is history, what we used to think was history, is only formal history, and largely false. I will put down the informal history or I will perish in the attempt."


Re: KCS SS boxcar

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 03:38 PM 10/1/2013, Andy Carlson wrote:
<snip> He says that making a decal to any scale is not a big deal after the art work is finished. Anyone want a TT D&RGW Fowler decal set?????
Is that a question? Doesn't EVERYONE ???

The several GCR Fowler Box cars that did not end up with me are still at Gold Coast Railways:
<http://www.goldcoastrailway.com/>http://www.goldcoastrailway.com/ ... but Felix's website is being re-done.

Sign me up!
Jerry Glow has done a number of decal sets for the few and far between in TT-scale.


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
TT-Scale Espee Mulford Line.
--------------------


Re: Tell Tale Extra: Pacific Northwest Railfan Meet

kruegerp@...
 

Frank, the PowerPoint for the presentation is basically a "Train Sheets 101" course and just uses a couple train sheets to illustrate the material.  The one sheet it goes into a little depth about is a GN Cascade Division sheet from March 12, 1961.  I think they’ll have one full digitized train sheet available for discussion (GN Cascade Division - June 1, 1964), but I don’t know how they are planning to integrate that into the presentation.  A couple hard copy train sheets (MILW and NP) will also be available for inspection.  I know the MILW sheets will be Coast Division sheets from March 1974, but I don’t know which NP sheets will be there.

 

This presentation is part of a larger grant-funded project being implemented by Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive (PNRA) that will digitize about 6,000 dispatcher train sheets from various routes in Washington.  Once they are digitized, they will be made available online.    The train sheets come from the collections of three of the railroad history organizations that are member organizations of PNRA: Great Northern Railway Historical Society, Northern Pacific Railway Historical Association, and Cascade Rail Foundation (Milwaukee Road).  Virtually all of the GN sheets are from the 1960s and the NP sheets span from 1939 to 1970.  The largest group of train sheets is approximately 10,000 sheets from the Pacific Coast RR (later Burlington Northern) from late 1951 to 1980 held by Cascade Rail Foundation.  The Milwaukee Road used the Pacific Coast as part of its transcontinental mainline to Tacoma and also used it to reach Seattle.  I’ve put an example of one of the digitized sheets here temporarily:

http://www.nwlink.com/~kruegerp/PCRR_1961_08/PCRR1961-08-01.htm

 

Keeping on topic, I’ll note that a fair number of these train sheets document trains of freight cars during the time period of interest to the STMFC group.


For more information about PNRA, you can visit the web site at www.pnrarchive.org.


Thanks,

Paul

 

Paul Krueger

Secretary

Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Mr. Phillips,  Do you have any information as to what dates are covered by the train sheets, or at least the era? FHP (Frank H. Peacock)


To: STMFC@...
From: whstlpnk@...
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:22:22 -0700
Subject: [STMFC] Tell Tale Extra: Pacific Northwest Railfan Meet

 
TELL TALE EXTRA: Train Sheets A Go-Go!

On Saturday, October 5, our Auburn, Washington presentation will be The Stories Train Sheets Tell. Bob Kelly of the GNRHS, with NP/BNSF Dispatcher Dave Sprau and Purdue's own Kent Sullivan, will discuss the daily operation of Northwest railways using train sheets from the Great Northern, Milwaukee Road and the Northern Pacific. Information for topics from history to modeling to genealogy may be gleaned from these records of daily division operations, revealing a myriad of interconnected stories.

Admission:
Five dollars for adults, four dollars for kids and seniors.
Free for White River Valley Museum Life, Engineer and above members.

NOTE:
Due to government cutbacks, we may be charging for snacks and beverages at this show (to be determined). Bringing along two or three dollars in small bills is recommended. Remember, we do not take Visa and we sure do not take American Express!

Date:
Saturday, October 5, 2013.

Location:
918 H Street Southeast, Auburn, Washington, 98002.

Time:
Open house at the Museum from 630-730 PM, presentation at the Senior Center right across the street from 730-10 PM.

More:
For maps, photos and more information on the Museum's many railway collections, visit them on the Web at http://www.wrvmuseum.org -- their holdings include collections from NP Roundhouse Foreman Harold Burch, articles from the Northwest's own Dave Sprau, and BN Industrial Agent Robert E. Munn!

"I will put down the informal history of the shirt-sleeve multitude," says Inez Mischitz. "What they had to say about their jobs, love affairs, vittles, sprees, scrapes and and sorrows. The oral history is a great hodgepodge and kitchen midden of hearsay. A repository of jabber. An omnium-gatherum of bushwah, gab, palaver, hogwash, flap-doodle and malarkey. The fruit of more than 20,000 conversations. What people say is history, what we used to think was history, is only formal history, and largely false. I will put down the informal history or I will perish in the attempt."


Re: Unusual UP Car

Clark Cooper
 

There's a simpler version of this used in the film "Pay Day", using a raised-roof ATSF car. They took the side panels off, showing a "load" of boxes inside, and proceeded to ram the car into a stationary cut in the yard.

On Youtube, search for: "1950's Santa Fe Railroad - Right & Wrong Way to Deliver a New Television". The scene in question starts at 10:45.

Fun stuff. In color, too!

-Clark Cooper
(the other Clark)

On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:08 PM, <cnw1045@gmail.com> <cnw1045@gmail.com> wrote:

Good Evening All,


Does anyone know the story behind this car? Is it really from 1952? And can anyone identify the trucks?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-Freight-UP-Union-Pacific-1952-Gray-Mount-of-Special-Box-Car195220-/310755747048?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item485a7c64e8

Thanks,

Charles Hostetler


Re: Unusual UP Car

pierre.oliver@...
 

I also believe that the car was to help demonstrate proper load blocking and restraint practices. Lots of lessons to be learned.

Pierre Oliver



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

 I think this was a freight car UP built in the mid-1950s for training their switching crews about better car handling,  


It was built with see--through sides and dummy loads that could demonstrate what happens inside a boxcar when it was handled roughly. 


There may also have been gauges attached for measuring forces of impact and speed. The trucks may also have had appliances added for those features.


Freight loads damaged by poor handling of equipment was an expense railroads wanted to minimize as much as possible. 


Ed Bommer




---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Good Evening All,

Does anyone know the story behind this car?  Is it really from 1952?  And can anyone identify the trucks?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-Freight-UP-Union-Pacific-1952-Gray-Mount-of-Special-Box-Car195220-/310755747048?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item485a7c64e8

Thanks,

Charles Hostetler


Re: Unusual UP Car

Edward
 

In looking at an enlargement of that photo, it may also have been a training car to demonstrate features found on reefers. 


There appears to be a car heater underneath and inside it may have had

convertible bulkheads for ice compartments with hatches on the roof.


There is an axle driven flex shaft that appears to lead up to a ventilator fan in the car siding.


The trucks seem to be a  Symington-Gould or National roller bearing design.


Ed Bommer



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

 I think this was a freight car UP built in the mid-1950s for training their switching crews about better car handling,  


It was built with see--through sides and dummy loads that could demonstrate what happens inside a boxcar when it was handled roughly. 


There may also have been gauges attached for measuring forces of impact and speed. The trucks may also have had appliances added for those features.


Freight loads damaged by poor handling of equipment was an expense railroads wanted to minimize as much as possible. 


Ed Bommer




---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Good Evening All,

Does anyone know the story behind this car?  Is it really from 1952?  And can anyone identify the trucks?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-Freight-UP-Union-Pacific-1952-Gray-Mount-of-Special-Box-Car195220-/310755747048?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item485a7c64e8

Thanks,

Charles Hostetler


Re: Unusual UP Car

Edward
 

 I think this was a freight car UP built in the mid-1950s for training their switching crews about better car handling,  


It was built with see--through sides and dummy loads that could demonstrate what happens inside a boxcar when it was handled roughly. 


There may also have been gauges attached for measuring forces of impact and speed. The trucks may also have had appliances added for those features.


Freight loads damaged by poor handling of equipment was an expense railroads wanted to minimize as much as possible. 


Ed Bommer




---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Good Evening All,

Does anyone know the story behind this car?  Is it really from 1952?  And can anyone identify the trucks?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-Freight-UP-Union-Pacific-1952-Gray-Mount-of-Special-Box-Car195220-/310755747048?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item485a7c64e8

Thanks,

Charles Hostetler


Re: Unusual UP Car

 

SP had similar to show effects of high speed coupling on freight. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:08 PM, <cnw1045@...> wrote:

 

Good Evening All,


Does anyone know the story behind this car?  Is it really from 1952?  And can anyone identify the trucks?


Thanks,

Charles Hostetler

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