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Re: The bicycle is gone

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bill,

 

               In a word, no.  The text is one single field, and does not accept carriage returns.  I could attempt to add spaces to change the word-wrap, but I am confident that what may look good in one browser (at a given default font size, etc.) would look abysmal in a different browser.

 

               Kudos to Doug Harding who sent me the image.  And apologies to Bill Schneider, whose 15 minutes of fame have ended.  Perhaps I’ll put Bill’s picture up next month.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of William Keene
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 3:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The bicycle is gone

 

 

Yup! Those are Steam Era Freight Cars. Very nice.

 

One question… is there a way to get the second sentence of the banner entirely on a separate -- second -- line? I believe that doing this would be a bit better graphically. OK… once an Architect… always an Architect. Sorry about that.

 

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

 

 

On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Howard R Garner <cascaderail@...> wrote:



 

At least for me.
I see the yard photo

 


Re: The bicycle is gone

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Yup! Those are Steam Era Freight Cars. Very nice.

One question… is there a way to get the second sentence of the banner entirely on a separate -- second -- line? I believe that doing this would be a bit better graphically. OK… once an Architect… always an Architect. Sorry about that.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Howard R Garner <cascaderail@...> wrote:

 

At least for me.
I see the yard photo



The bicycle is gone

earlyrail
 

At least for me.
I see the yard photo


Re: Tender forward?

Edward
 

Very simple!

That SP cab forward has a tail wind that is faster than the train is moving.


Ed Bommer 



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Tony,

 

               That image (at the top of  www.signaturepress.com is very interesting.   Was it a very windy day, or is the train backing up quickly?

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:17 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

Mike is welcome to use the banner head photo we use for Signature Press (we have rights to it). And for Jeff's benefit, it does have PFE cars, if not UP cars. Here is the link:

 

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history


Tender forward?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Tony,

 

               That image (at the top of  www.signaturepress.com is very interesting.   Was it a very windy day, or is the train backing up quickly?

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:17 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

Mike is welcome to use the banner head photo we use for Signature Press (we have rights to it). And for Jeff's benefit, it does have PFE cars, if not UP cars. Here is the link:

 

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history


Model Contest – Banning (CA) Train Festival – Cash Prizes

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is information about the Banning Train Festival’s Model Contest.  This will be a judged model contest with four $50.00 cash prizes to the winners.

The purpose of the contest is to introduce the general public to the best efforts in the hobby as represented by "contest quality" models and provide a "wow" factor for both railroad hobbyists and the general public.

These are the basics:

  • Models must exhibit a considerable degree of alteration, weathering, additional details, lettering, scratch-building or kit-bashing.
  • No proxy entries
  • Limit of two entries per category per person
  • Contest Categories:

1.     Locomotive

2.     Freight Car

3.     Passenger Car & Caboose

4.     Railroad Structure - Display footprint limited to 18 inches x 10 inches maximum for O and small scales, 30 x 20 for larger scales.

 

The rules, scoring criteria and an entry form are available OFF LIST from me at:

Chiefbobbb at Verizon dot net 

Don’t forget the Train Festival (October 19 & 20) will feature operating modular layouts, railroad exhibitors and vendors, a Saturday swap meet and modeling clinics so join us even if you do not plan to participate in the contest.

 

Bob Chaparro

Banning Centennial Train Festival

 

Train Festival Website:

http://banning100birthday.com/2012/11/26/centennial-train-fest/

 


Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Douglas Harding
 

Jeff I was not aware that UP cars were a requisite. Must be why the photo I sent did not work. I had cropped out the UP stuff. I use Firefox, had no trouble changing the MSTL list image. As I sent to you off line, today I loaded the DeLano photo on the MSTL page should anyone wish to see it http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mstl/info

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Bill Schneider
 

“Unfortunately, the photo has two major flaws: the O&W diseasels (which he wisely cropped out of the one that didn’t work), and the total lack of UP cars in the train.”

You say flaws, I saw benefits… :>)

Also, by way of complete disclosure, the C&G car is one of Ted C’s on long-time interchange. I’m not looking forward to seeing the Per Diem charge on this one…. ;>)

Bill Schneider
http://home.comcast.net/~oandw/
http://oldandweary.blogspot.com/


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:06 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture


Dennis,

Bizzarely enough, I don’t think so. Doug Harding sent me an already-cropped freight yard photo (by Jack Delano), and every time I tried to use it, I got an error msg.
Bill Schneider sent me an already-cropped photo (taken in his back bedroom), and I got the same error msg upon repeated attempts.

But then I tried the original (uncropped) photo that Bill had also sent, and it uploaded just fine. Unfortunately, the photo has two major flaws: the O&W diseasels (which he wisely cropped out of the one that didn’t work), and the total lack of UP cars in the train.

At least I can agree that it is a very fine bit of modeling.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of destorzek@mchsi.com
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:55 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture


Jeff,

I bet if you took the image into Photoshop and copied some of the background on the ends to make it wider relative to its height, it would work just fine. Whahoo seems determined to keep that wide banner look, so its photo editor uses the full width of the image.

Dennis


---In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <stmfc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Guys,

Unlike a proper “crop”, the Neo interface only lets you re-position the photo. You cannot zoom the image. This, for example, is the problem with the current “Hard Rock Café” logo that I put on the site just now.

Doug Harding sent a very nice, properly cropped Jack Delano photo of a freight yard. I tried to use it, but so far it has not “stuck”.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture


I understand that, Bruce. I was just pointing out that the vast majority of images available have been composed to "fill the frame" with a 5:4 or 4:3 aspect ratio The Yahoo banner is approximately 5:1. So you can use any image you want, but you'll only be able to use a strip of one quarter of it. I know that poorly cropped images that run off the page and are oriented at crazy angles are all the rage these days (about 1/3 of my daughter's wedding photos look like the photographer was drunk) but somehow this doesn't seem appropriate for the STMFC page.

The photos that DO work are those flat on broadside views that typically have way too much of both sky and foreground, but few people have taken model photos with such poor composition. Which is why I'll say again, if anyone has a topical photo that will fit the space currently occupied by our rock climbing cyclist, send it to Mike, and maybe he'll use it

Dennis Storzek


---In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <stmfc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dennis,

Not sure you understand how this works. As group owner, when you upload a cover photo (and I note that you cannot just get one from the group web page but it has to be on your hard drive) there is an option to "drag to reposition". When you do that, the location of the viewed part of the photo remains the same when you reopen it.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
________________________________________
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [STMFC@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of destorzek@... [destorzek@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:58 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Really? You might be able to scroll up and down to see the top and bottom of the image, but the rest of us can't, so it just looks like a poorly cropped partial photo. The image used needs to be cropped to the correct aspect ratio; Whahoo will then re-size it to fit the page.

Dennis


---In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <stmfc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dennis when you upload the photo the web site lets you center it and
only then does it get cropped. I did this with one of Gene Deimling's
photos for the steamloco group and it turned out nicely IMO.

Tim O'


I agree, but the format for the "cover photo" is not a common size, although with its horizontal format, it does lend itself nicely to photos of railroad equipment. When I went looking through my image files for something to use on the SooLineHistory page, the only thing I found that would crop nicely to fit the space was a builder's photo of a three unit set of F-3's.


How about everyone looking through their personal photos for an image that works at a 5:1 aspect ratio and offer it to Mike?


Dennis Storzek


---In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <stmfc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

First thing our B&O moderator did to mollify this Neo affliction was replace it with a nice EM-1 (steam era and hauled a lot of freight cars) this morning. Forget this message if you have not yet experienced this superbug. At least a more appropriate picture would alleviate some of the discomfort.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.


Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Tony Thompson
 

The photos that DO work are those flat on broadside views that typically have way too much of both sky and foreground, but few people have taken model photos with such poor composition. Which is why I'll say again, if anyone has a topical photo that will fit the space currently occupied by our rock climbing cyclist, send it to Mike, and maybe he'll use it


Mike is welcome to use the banner head photo we use for Signature Press (we have rights to it). And for Jeff's benefit, it does have PFE cars, if not UP cars. Here is the link:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Aley, Jeff A
 

…and I forgot to mention that the “Change Cover Photo” button was totally non-functional when I tried Internet Explorer 8.  It works fine with Chrome (with the image size caveats I mention below).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

Dennis,

 

               Bizzarely enough, I don’t think so.  Doug Harding sent me an already-cropped freight yard photo (by Jack Delano), and every time I tried to use it, I got an error msg.

               Bill Schneider sent me an already-cropped photo (taken in his back bedroom), and I got the same error msg upon repeated attempts.

 

               But then I tried the original (uncropped) photo that Bill had also sent, and it uploaded just fine.  Unfortunately, the photo has two major flaws: the O&W diseasels (which he wisely cropped out of the one that didn’t work), and the total lack of UP cars in the train.

 

               At least I can agree that it is a very fine bit of modeling.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

Jeff,

 

I bet if you took the image into Photoshop and copied some of the background on the ends to make it wider relative to its height, it would work just fine. Whahoo seems determined to keep that wide banner look, so its photo editor uses the full width of the image.

 

Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Guys,

 

               Unlike a proper “crop”, the Neo interface only lets you re-position the photo.  You cannot zoom the image.  This, for example, is the problem with the current “Hard Rock Café” logo that I put on the site just now.

 

               Doug Harding sent a very nice, properly cropped Jack Delano photo of a freight yard.  I tried to use it, but so far it has not “stuck”.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

I understand that, Bruce. I was just pointing out that the vast majority of images available have been composed to "fill the frame" with a 5:4 or 4:3 aspect ratio The Yahoo banner is approximately 5:1. So you can use any image you want, but you'll only be able to use a strip of one quarter of it. I know that poorly cropped images that run off the page and are oriented at crazy angles are all the rage these days (about 1/3 of my daughter's wedding photos look like the photographer was drunk) but somehow this doesn't seem appropriate for the STMFC page.

 

The photos that DO work are those flat on broadside views that typically have way too much of both sky and foreground, but few people have taken model photos with such poor composition. Which is why I'll say again, if anyone has a topical photo that will fit the space currently occupied by our rock climbing cyclist, send it to Mike, and maybe he'll use it

 

Dennis Storzek



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis,

 

Not sure you understand how this works.  As group owner, when you upload a cover photo (and I note that you cannot just get one from the group web page but it has to be on your hard drive) there is an option to "drag to reposition".  When you do that, the location of the viewed part of the photo remains the same when you reopen it.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of destorzek@... [destorzek@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

Really? You might be able to scroll up and down to see the top and bottom of the image, but the rest of us can't, so it just looks like a poorly cropped partial photo. The image used needs to be cropped to the correct aspect ratio; Whahoo  will then re-size it to fit the page.

 

Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis when you upload the photo the web site lets you center it and
only then does it get cropped. I did this with one of Gene Deimling's
photos for the steamloco group and it turned out nicely IMO.

Tim O'


>I agree, but the format for the "cover photo" is not a common size, although with its horizontal format, it does lend itself nicely to photos of railroad equipment. When I went looking through my image files for something to use on the SooLineHistory page, the only thing I found that would crop nicely to fit the space was a builder's photo of a three unit set of F-3's.
>
>
>How about everyone looking through their personal photos for an image that works at a 5:1 aspect ratio and offer it to Mike?
>
>
>Dennis Storzek
>
>
>---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:
>
>First thing our B&O moderator did to mollify this Neo affliction was replace it with a nice EM-1 (steam era and hauled a lot of freight cars) this morning. Forget this message if you have not yet experienced this superbug. At least a more appropriate picture would alleviate some of the discomfort.
>
>Dave Snyder
>Louisville, Ky.

 


Re: 36' Fowler/Dominion cars and "almosts"...

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

The July 1941 ORER reveals two series of Mather cars on the PS&N:
 
 9700 - 9799 (99 cars) (40'4" inside length),
 
9900 - 9949 (44 cars) (36' inside length).
 
Both were listed as "Box, steel underframe". In spite of this, photographs show them to have been conventional Mather steel framed cars.
 
Bills and requisitions for repair materials were to be sent to Mather Stock Car Corporation.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: eric
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:11 pm
Subject: [STMFC] RE: 36&#39; Fowler/Dominion cars and &quot;almosts&quot;...

 
Ben,
 
I believe the Pittsburg, Shawmut & Northern cars are Mather box cars. I've been under the impression the Shawmut rostered 36 and 40 foot versions of Mather box cars in the very late 1920s and early 1930s.
 
A check of the PS&N listings in an early 1930s ORER should indicate Mather repair directives in the "Detailed Instructions for Rendering Reports" section after the car listings. I've checked the 1917, 1925, and 1926 ORERs at hand, and there are no cars numbered higher than 9199. There are no Mather references in the PS&N notes of these volumes.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


---In stmfc@..., wrote:

The L&N cars on your list are double-sheathed. 

Bill Welch


---In stmfc@..., wrote:


New Haven had at least a couple in the late 50's early 60's but
they were in company service -- NH W1405, NH T80.

Tim O'




The Soo Line (found alphabetized in steam era equipment registers under M) had one group of cars nearly identical to the Canadian cars, built in 1912. This was 750 cars, numbered 12800 - 14298, even numbers only. They were built with outside metal roofs having some sort of round seam caps, but in later years had roofs with twelve flat rectangular seam caps, counting those at the ends of the roof. Original trucks had Bettendorf T section sideframes, later changed to Andrews. It sounds like the only real difference is the door, the Soo cars were built with top supported wood doors which they retained throughout their entire lives. The January 1958 ORER shows 19 cars remaining; all were retired by January 1961

 


---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

We have had another outbreak of Fowlerishness, or a bird of a slightly different feather, in the dominion of TT scale.

I am wondering if anyone can say whether a CPR Dominion 36' boxcar would be near enough to any of the cars pinpointed as being 36' s/s cars below?

The Dominion casting has 12 crosswise roof ribs, the first and last ribs flush with each end, and what looks to be a 5-5-5 steel door (I assume replacing a wood original.)

Aside from the ITC cars, which I believe existed in interchange service as late as 1961, were there other US owners of 36' cars who had them in interchange service through to the late 50s?

From what I can work out, 36' cars in the US were one of those things that were very common in one decade, ie, 1942 but almost gone a decade later.

I am told the NYSW ones made it to 1951.

I am hoping someone might be able to offer some advice on the characteristics (door type, roof, if possible number of ribs) on some of these 36' s/s cars.


regards, Benjamin



> Central Railroad Company of Pennsylvania 14000-14499 (Fowler-like,
> NEB&W web site)

> > BAR 9000-9699*, 9800-10399

> > New York, Susquehanna & Western 1500-1563*
> > Piedmont & Northern 12000-12074*

> > BAR 8100-8599, 8700-8799
> > CNJ 14000-14499 (drawing seems to suggest it)

> > CV 70731-71730, 71800-72049
> > DSS&A 11067-11569
> > NC&StL 24500-24599
> > SOO 28312+28456, 106600-107908, 108056-109908
> > M&StL 26000-26400
> > WAB 78000-78199 (read about these, are they 36' or 40'?)

> > B&M 12138-12258, 12301-12392, 64682-68247, 68317, 68333-68390

> > C&EI 37002-37748, 635-699

> > GM&O 43000-43299 (or were these SU cars?)

> > NKP 97000-97999

> CGW 27000-27998 (SS, AC&F photo of 27904, lot 7504)
> Central Railroad Company of Pennsylvania 14000-14499 (Fowler-like,
> NEB&W web site)>
> ERIE 80995, 85000-85999 (SS or Fowler-like, MM, Apr. 1986)
>
> IC 11000-11344 (SS, 1927 IC equipment list – personal communication
> from Ray Breyer)
> ITC 8000-8199 (Fowler or Fowler-like, NEB&W web site)
> Chicago South Shore & South Bend R.R., 1501-1505 (Fowler or Fowler-
> like, NEB&W web site)

> NKP 97000-97999 (Former TStL&W 7000-7999, Fowler, MM, Apr. 1986)
> Pittsburg, Shawmut and Northern 9900-9949 (SS, personal communication from Ray Breyer)
> SB&M 1254-2050 (SS, NEB&W web site)
> WABASH 75000-77199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444, AC&F photos of 75699 and 76200, lots 6615 and 8063)
> WABASH 77200-78199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444)


Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Aley, Jeff A
 

Dennis,

 

               Bizzarely enough, I don’t think so.  Doug Harding sent me an already-cropped freight yard photo (by Jack Delano), and every time I tried to use it, I got an error msg.

               Bill Schneider sent me an already-cropped photo (taken in his back bedroom), and I got the same error msg upon repeated attempts.

 

               But then I tried the original (uncropped) photo that Bill had also sent, and it uploaded just fine.  Unfortunately, the photo has two major flaws: the O&W diseasels (which he wisely cropped out of the one that didn’t work), and the total lack of UP cars in the train.

 

               At least I can agree that it is a very fine bit of modeling.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

Jeff,

 

I bet if you took the image into Photoshop and copied some of the background on the ends to make it wider relative to its height, it would work just fine. Whahoo seems determined to keep that wide banner look, so its photo editor uses the full width of the image.

 

Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Guys,

 

               Unlike a proper “crop”, the Neo interface only lets you re-position the photo.  You cannot zoom the image.  This, for example, is the problem with the current “Hard Rock Café” logo that I put on the site just now.

 

               Doug Harding sent a very nice, properly cropped Jack Delano photo of a freight yard.  I tried to use it, but so far it has not “stuck”.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

I understand that, Bruce. I was just pointing out that the vast majority of images available have been composed to "fill the frame" with a 5:4 or 4:3 aspect ratio The Yahoo banner is approximately 5:1. So you can use any image you want, but you'll only be able to use a strip of one quarter of it. I know that poorly cropped images that run off the page and are oriented at crazy angles are all the rage these days (about 1/3 of my daughter's wedding photos look like the photographer was drunk) but somehow this doesn't seem appropriate for the STMFC page.

 

The photos that DO work are those flat on broadside views that typically have way too much of both sky and foreground, but few people have taken model photos with such poor composition. Which is why I'll say again, if anyone has a topical photo that will fit the space currently occupied by our rock climbing cyclist, send it to Mike, and maybe he'll use it

 

Dennis Storzek



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis,

 

Not sure you understand how this works.  As group owner, when you upload a cover photo (and I note that you cannot just get one from the group web page but it has to be on your hard drive) there is an option to "drag to reposition".  When you do that, the location of the viewed part of the photo remains the same when you reopen it.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of destorzek@... [destorzek@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

Really? You might be able to scroll up and down to see the top and bottom of the image, but the rest of us can't, so it just looks like a poorly cropped partial photo. The image used needs to be cropped to the correct aspect ratio; Whahoo  will then re-size it to fit the page.

 

Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis when you upload the photo the web site lets you center it and
only then does it get cropped. I did this with one of Gene Deimling's
photos for the steamloco group and it turned out nicely IMO.

Tim O'

>I agree, but the format for the "cover photo" is not a common size, although with its horizontal format, it does lend itself nicely to photos of railroad equipment. When I went looking through my image files for something to use on the SooLineHistory page, the only thing I found that would crop nicely to fit the space was a builder's photo of a three unit set of F-3's.
>
>
>How about everyone looking through their personal photos for an image that works at a 5:1 aspect ratio and offer it to Mike?
>
>
>Dennis Storzek
>
>
>---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:
>
>First thing our B&O moderator did to mollify this Neo affliction was replace it with a nice EM-1 (steam era and hauled a lot of freight cars) this morning. Forget this message if you have not yet experienced this superbug. At least a more appropriate picture would alleviate some of the discomfort.
>
>Dave Snyder
>Louisville, Ky.

 


Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Dennis Storzek
 

Jeff,


I bet if you took the image into Photoshop and copied some of the background on the ends to make it wider relative to its height, it would work just fine. Whahoo seems determined to keep that wide banner look, so its photo editor uses the full width of the image.


Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Guys,

 

               Unlike a proper “crop”, the Neo interface only lets you re-position the photo.  You cannot zoom the image.  This, for example, is the problem with the current “Hard Rock Café” logo that I put on the site just now.

 

               Doug Harding sent a very nice, properly cropped Jack Delano photo of a freight yard.  I tried to use it, but so far it has not “stuck”.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

I understand that, Bruce. I was just pointing out that the vast majority of images available have been composed to "fill the frame" with a 5:4 or 4:3 aspect ratio The Yahoo banner is approximately 5:1. So you can use any image you want, but you'll only be able to use a strip of one quarter of it. I know that poorly cropped images that run off the page and are oriented at crazy angles are all the rage these days (about 1/3 of my daughter's wedding photos look like the photographer was drunk) but somehow this doesn't seem appropriate for the STMFC page.

 

The photos that DO work are those flat on broadside views that typically have way too much of both sky and foreground, but few people have taken model photos with such poor composition. Which is why I'll say again, if anyone has a topical photo that will fit the space currently occupied by our rock climbing cyclist, send it to Mike, and maybe he'll use it

 

Dennis Storzek



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis,

 

Not sure you understand how this works.  As group owner, when you upload a cover photo (and I note that you cannot just get one from the group web page but it has to be on your hard drive) there is an option to "drag to reposition".  When you do that, the location of the viewed part of the photo remains the same when you reopen it.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of destorzek@... [destorzek@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

Really? You might be able to scroll up and down to see the top and bottom of the image, but the rest of us can't, so it just looks like a poorly cropped partial photo. The image used needs to be cropped to the correct aspect ratio; Whahoo  will then re-size it to fit the page.

 

Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis when you upload the photo the web site lets you center it and
only then does it get cropped. I did this with one of Gene Deimling's
photos for the steamloco group and it turned out nicely IMO.

Tim O'


>I agree, but the format for the "cover photo" is not a common size, although with its horizontal format, it does lend itself nicely to photos of railroad equipment. When I went looking through my image files for something to use on the SooLineHistory page, the only thing I found that would crop nicely to fit the space was a builder's photo of a three unit set of F-3's.
>
>
>How about everyone looking through their personal photos for an image that works at a 5:1 aspect ratio and offer it to Mike?
>
>
>Dennis Storzek
>
>
>---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:
>
>First thing our B&O moderator did to mollify this Neo affliction was replace it with a nice EM-1 (steam era and hauled a lot of freight cars) this morning. Forget this message if you have not yet experienced this superbug. At least a more appropriate picture would alleviate some of the discomfort.
>
>Dave Snyder
>Louisville, Ky.

 


Primitive Water Crossing

Rod Miller
 

Before barges?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/floatingboxcar.jpg

Story at http://cs.trains.com/ctr/f/3/p/35270/454166.aspx

Rod
--

Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2014 Meet is Feb 6 - 8
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: 36' Fowler/Dominion cars and "almosts"...

Eric Hansmann
 

Ben,

 

I believe the Pittsburg, Shawmut & Northern cars are Mather box cars. I've been under the impression the Shawmut rostered 36 and 40 foot versions of Mather box cars in the very late 1920s and early 1930s.

 

A check of the PS&N listings in an early 1930s ORER should indicate Mather repair directives in the "Detailed Instructions for Rendering Reports" section after the car listings. I've checked the 1917, 1925, and 1926 ORERs at hand, and there are no cars numbered higher than 9199. There are no Mather references in the PS&N notes of these volumes.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

The Soo Line (found alphabetized in steam era equipment registers under M) had one group of cars nearly identical to the Canadian cars, built in 1912. This was 750 cars, numbered 12800 - 14298, even numbers only. They were built with outside metal roofs having some sort of round seam caps, but in later years had roofs with twelve flat rectangular seam caps, counting those at the ends of the roof. Original trucks had Bettendorf T section sideframes, later changed to Andrews. It sounds like the only real difference is the door, the Soo cars were built with top supported wood doors which they retained throughout their entire lives. The January 1958 ORER shows 19 cars remaining; all were retired by January 1961

 


---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

We have had another outbreak of Fowlerishness, or a bird of a slightly different feather, in the dominion of TT scale.

I am wondering if anyone can say whether a CPR Dominion 36' boxcar would be near enough to any of the cars pinpointed as being 36' s/s cars below?

The Dominion casting has 12 crosswise roof ribs, the first and last ribs flush with each end, and what looks to be a 5-5-5 steel door (I assume replacing a wood original.)

Aside from the ITC cars, which I believe existed in interchange service as late as 1961, were there other US owners of 36' cars who had them in interchange service through to the late 50s?

From what I can work out, 36' cars in the US were one of those things that were very common in one decade, ie, 1942 but almost gone a decade later.

I am told the NYSW ones made it to 1951.

I am hoping someone might be able to offer some advice on the characteristics (door type, roof, if possible number of ribs) on some of these 36' s/s cars.


regards, Benjamin



> Central Railroad Company of Pennsylvania 14000-14499 (Fowler-like,
> NEB&W web site)

> > BAR 9000-9699*, 9800-10399

> > New York, Susquehanna & Western 1500-1563*
> > Piedmont & Northern 12000-12074*

> > BAR 8100-8599, 8700-8799
> > CNJ 14000-14499 (drawing seems to suggest it)

> > CV 70731-71730, 71800-72049
> > DSS&A 11067-11569
> > NC&StL 24500-24599
> > SOO 28312+28456, 106600-107908, 108056-109908
> > M&StL 26000-26400
> > WAB 78000-78199 (read about these, are they 36' or 40'?)

> > B&M 12138-12258, 12301-12392, 64682-68247, 68317, 68333-68390

> > C&EI 37002-37748, 635-699

> > GM&O 43000-43299 (or were these SU cars?)

> > NKP 97000-97999

> CGW 27000-27998 (SS, AC&F photo of 27904, lot 7504)
> Central Railroad Company of Pennsylvania 14000-14499 (Fowler-like,
> NEB&W web site)>
> ERIE 80995, 85000-85999 (SS or Fowler-like, MM, Apr. 1986)
>
> IC 11000-11344 (SS, 1927 IC equipment list – personal communication
> from Ray Breyer)
> ITC 8000-8199 (Fowler or Fowler-like, NEB&W web site)
> Chicago South Shore & South Bend R.R., 1501-1505 (Fowler or Fowler-
> like, NEB&W web site)

> NKP 97000-97999 (Former TStL&W 7000-7999, Fowler, MM, Apr. 1986)
> Pittsburg, Shawmut and Northern 9900-9949 (SS, personal communication from Ray Breyer)
> SB&M 1254-2050 (SS, NEB&W web site)
> WABASH 75000-77199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444, AC&F photos of 75699 and 76200, lots 6615 and 8063)
> WABASH 77200-78199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444)


Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Aley, Jeff A
 

Guys,

 

               Unlike a proper “crop”, the Neo interface only lets you re-position the photo.  You cannot zoom the image.  This, for example, is the problem with the current “Hard Rock Café” logo that I put on the site just now.

 

               Doug Harding sent a very nice, properly cropped Jack Delano photo of a freight yard.  I tried to use it, but so far it has not “stuck”.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

 

I understand that, Bruce. I was just pointing out that the vast majority of images available have been composed to "fill the frame" with a 5:4 or 4:3 aspect ratio The Yahoo banner is approximately 5:1. So you can use any image you want, but you'll only be able to use a strip of one quarter of it. I know that poorly cropped images that run off the page and are oriented at crazy angles are all the rage these days (about 1/3 of my daughter's wedding photos look like the photographer was drunk) but somehow this doesn't seem appropriate for the STMFC page.

 

The photos that DO work are those flat on broadside views that typically have way too much of both sky and foreground, but few people have taken model photos with such poor composition. Which is why I'll say again, if anyone has a topical photo that will fit the space currently occupied by our rock climbing cyclist, send it to Mike, and maybe he'll use it

 

Dennis Storzek



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis,

 

Not sure you understand how this works.  As group owner, when you upload a cover photo (and I note that you cannot just get one from the group web page but it has to be on your hard drive) there is an option to "drag to reposition".  When you do that, the location of the viewed part of the photo remains the same when you reopen it.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of destorzek@... [destorzek@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

 

Really? You might be able to scroll up and down to see the top and bottom of the image, but the rest of us can't, so it just looks like a poorly cropped partial photo. The image used needs to be cropped to the correct aspect ratio; Whahoo  will then re-size it to fit the page.

 

Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis when you upload the photo the web site lets you center it and
only then does it get cropped. I did this with one of Gene Deimling's
photos for the steamloco group and it turned out nicely IMO.

Tim O'


>I agree, but the format for the "cover photo" is not a common size, although with its horizontal format, it does lend itself nicely to photos of railroad equipment. When I went looking through my image files for something to use on the SooLineHistory page, the only thing I found that would crop nicely to fit the space was a builder's photo of a three unit set of F-3's.
>
>
>How about everyone looking through their personal photos for an image that works at a 5:1 aspect ratio and offer it to Mike?
>
>
>Dennis Storzek
>
>
>---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:
>
>First thing our B&O moderator did to mollify this Neo affliction was replace it with a nice EM-1 (steam era and hauled a lot of freight cars) this morning. Forget this message if you have not yet experienced this superbug. At least a more appropriate picture would alleviate some of the discomfort.
>
>Dave Snyder
>Louisville, Ky.

 


Re: 36' Fowler/Dominion cars and "almosts"...

Michael Aufderheide
 

The CIL 2000-3600 cars were 36' howe truss cars built in 1912, some were rebuilt with new center sills and ends in the twenties. 


Re: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture

Dennis Storzek
 

I understand that, Bruce. I was just pointing out that the vast majority of images available have been composed to "fill the frame" with a 5:4 or 4:3 aspect ratio The Yahoo banner is approximately 5:1. So you can use any image you want, but you'll only be able to use a strip of one quarter of it. I know that poorly cropped images that run off the page and are oriented at crazy angles are all the rage these days (about 1/3 of my daughter's wedding photos look like the photographer was drunk) but somehow this doesn't seem appropriate for the STMFC page.


The photos that DO work are those flat on broadside views that typically have way too much of both sky and foreground, but few people have taken model photos with such poor composition. Which is why I'll say again, if anyone has a topical photo that will fit the space currently occupied by our rock climbing cyclist, send it to Mike, and maybe he'll use it


Dennis Storzek



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis,

Not sure you understand how this works.  As group owner, when you upload a cover photo (and I note that you cannot just get one from the group web page but it has to be on your hard drive) there is an option to "drag to reposition".  When you do that, the location of the viewed part of the photo remains the same when you reopen it.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of destorzek@... [destorzek@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: The bicycle is nice, but how about a steam era freight car for our Neo site picture



Really? You might be able to scroll up and down to see the top and bottom of the image, but the rest of us can't, so it just looks like a poorly cropped partial photo. The image used needs to be cropped to the correct aspect ratio; Whahoo  will then re-size it to fit the page.


Dennis



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dennis when you upload the photo the web site lets you center it and
only then does it get cropped. I did this with one of Gene Deimling's
photos for the steamloco group and it turned out nicely IMO.

Tim O'



>I agree, but the format for the "cover photo" is not a common size, although with its horizontal format, it does lend itself nicely to photos of railroad equipment. When I went looking through my image files for something to use on the SooLineHistory page, the only thing I found that would crop nicely to fit the space was a builder's photo of a three unit set of F-3's.
>
>
>How about everyone looking through their personal photos for an image that works at a 5:1 aspect ratio and offer it to Mike?
>
>
>Dennis Storzek
>
>
>---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:
>
>First thing our B&O moderator did to mollify this Neo affliction was replace it with a nice EM-1 (steam era and hauled a lot of freight cars) this morning. Forget this message if you have not yet experienced this superbug. At least a more appropriate picture would alleviate some of the discomfort.
>
>Dave Snyder
>Louisville, Ky.



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Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
 

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Re: 36' Fowler/Dominion cars and "almosts"...

Bill Welch
 

The L&N cars on your list are double-sheathed. 


Bill Welch



---In stmfc@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote:


New Haven had at least a couple in the late 50's early 60's but
they were in company service -- NH W1405, NH T80.

Tim O'




The Soo Line (found alphabetized in steam era equipment registers under M) had one group of cars nearly identical to the Canadian cars, built in 1912. This was 750 cars, numbered 12800 - 14298, even numbers only. They were built with outside metal roofs having some sort of round seam caps, but in later years had roofs with twelve flat rectangular seam caps, counting those at the ends of the roof. Original trucks had Bettendorf T section sideframes, later changed to Andrews. It sounds like the only real difference is the door, the Soo cars were built with top supported wood doors which they retained throughout their entire lives. The January 1958 ORER shows 19 cars remaining; all were retired by January 1961

 


---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

We have had another outbreak of Fowlerishness, or a bird of a slightly different feather, in the dominion of TT scale.

I am wondering if anyone can say whether a CPR Dominion 36' boxcar would be near enough to any of the cars pinpointed as being 36' s/s cars below?

The Dominion casting has 12 crosswise roof ribs, the first and last ribs flush with each end, and what looks to be a 5-5-5 steel door (I assume replacing a wood original.)

Aside from the ITC cars, which I believe existed in interchange service as late as 1961, were there other US owners of 36' cars who had them in interchange service through to the late 50s?

From what I can work out, 36' cars in the US were one of those things that were very common in one decade, ie, 1942 but almost gone a decade later.

I am told the NYSW ones made it to 1951.

I am hoping someone might be able to offer some advice on the characteristics (door type, roof, if possible number of ribs) on some of these 36' s/s cars.


regards, Benjamin



> Central Railroad Company of Pennsylvania 14000-14499 (Fowler-like,
> NEB&W web site)

> > BAR 9000-9699*, 9800-10399

> > New York, Susquehanna & Western 1500-1563*
> > Piedmont & Northern 12000-12074*

> > BAR 8100-8599, 8700-8799
> > CNJ 14000-14499 (drawing seems to suggest it)

> > CV 70731-71730, 71800-72049
> > DSS&A 11067-11569
> > NC&StL 24500-24599
> > SOO 28312+28456, 106600-107908, 108056-109908
> > M&StL 26000-26400
> > WAB 78000-78199 (read about these, are they 36' or 40'?)

> > B&M 12138-12258, 12301-12392, 64682-68247, 68317, 68333-68390

> > C&EI 37002-37748, 635-699

> > GM&O 43000-43299 (or were these SU cars?)

> > NKP 97000-97999

> CGW 27000-27998 (SS, AC&F photo of 27904, lot 7504)
> Central Railroad Company of Pennsylvania 14000-14499 (Fowler-like,
> NEB&W web site)>
> ERIE 80995, 85000-85999 (SS or Fowler-like, MM, Apr. 1986)
>
> IC 11000-11344 (SS, 1927 IC equipment list – personal communication
> from Ray Breyer)
> ITC 8000-8199 (Fowler or Fowler-like, NEB&W web site)
> Chicago South Shore & South Bend R.R., 1501-1505 (Fowler or Fowler-
> like, NEB&W web site)

> NKP 97000-97999 (Former TStL&W 7000-7999, Fowler, MM, Apr. 1986)
> Pittsburg, Shawmut and Northern 9900-9949 (SS, personal communication from Ray Breyer)
> SB&M 1254-2050 (SS, NEB&W web site)
> WABASH 75000-77199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444, AC&F photos of 75699 and 76200, lots 6615 and 8063)
> WABASH 77200-78199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444)

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