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Re: Freight Car Kits for Sale

Walter Cox
 

 
 
In a message dated 9/22/2013 11:31:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tangerine_flyer@... writes:
 

Scott,

It’s not obvious, but it’s there.  When you click on Reply it brings up a simple message box.  Just above that on the right side is an X and to the immediate left is a small box that when you hover over it displays ‘Show More’.  Click on that box which brings up a WYSIWYG reply box and the To field.  There is a drop-down arrow at the right end of the To field that will give you several options from which to choose.

HTH,

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, Missouri

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of repairman87@...
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Freight Car Kits for Sale




I would be interested in a list but can't figure out how to reply directly to you with the new format.

Scott McDonald



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others.  E-mail for list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA





Re: Branchline reefers

ed_mines
 

Thanks! Kit is exquisite.

 

Ed Mines 


--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I have built many Branchline kits and used Testor's liquid cement.  I have had no problems with parts falling off.    Don't worry about it!.

 

Steve Kay 


Re: Freight Car Kits for Sale

ed_mines
 

Same here. My e-mail is ed_mines@...

 

Ed Mines 


--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I would be interested in a list but can't figure out how to reply directly to you with the new format.


Scott McDonald



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others.  E-mail for list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: outstanding article on freight cars

Paolo Roffo
 

Sorry I'm late to the game here. 


Were these tank-cars-turned-covered-hoppers used exclusively to transport the slate granules from the quarry in Vermont to customers elsewhere? 


I'm trying to determine if I can justify having them on a PRR layout - I tend to think most roof shingle manufacturers in the Keystone State probably would have used locally-sourced slate to lower their transportation costs, but I'd love to be wrong.  Any thoughts?


thanks

Paolo Roffo



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

There's photographic evidence of these Barrett cars being used on the
Maryland & Pennsylvania RR. Consequently, there's been appreciation for
your recent excellent article in the Ma & Pa community too.

One of the major industries on the line was Funkhouser's slate quarry in
Delta, Pa., which produced all manner of slate products, but among them
slate granules used in roofing. So you can include the small M&P in your
list and, by extension, its interchange railroads B&O and PRR.

All the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.

From: Michael Evans
> <mailto:michael.evans78@...> To: STMFC@...
> <mailto:STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, September 12,
> 2013 3:58 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: outstanding article on
> freight cars
>
>
> Guys, thanks for all the kind words on my Barretts cov hop
> article, it is appreciated.
>
> I am trying to find out more info on the routing of these
> cars, if anybody has any info.
>
> > From interchange reports I know some of them were routed from
> the D&H to the Rutland RR at Rutland VT, up the Rut, across
> the OL&C div, on to Chicago. The Bob Collins color photo shows
> one going south on Richmondville hll, and I have read here that
> some showed up on the PENN.
>
> I am not even sure if Barretts used all the granulated slate
> for themselves, or if the sold them to other roofing mfg.
>
> Thanks for any info,
> Mike Evans
>


Prototype Rails 2014, The Mystery of the missing form

Mikebrock
 

Guys,
Some of you have noticed that the Prototype Rails 2014 flyer refers to a registration form. And, some of you have noticed that there IS no registration form. The form was essentially destroyed during the reformatting process by Yahoogroups and various Email programs. Do not be concerned, the only form required is your check.

Early registration: $35. Please make your check payable to "Prototype Rails" and send to: Marty Megregian 480 Gails Way Merritt Island, FL 32953.
The Cutoff for early registration is January 1, 2014. Registration After that date is $45.

A special dinner on Saturday, Jan 11, for Prototype Rails attendees only will be available for $28/person.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Bossman


Re: Speedwitch web site

Ted Culotta
 

I should have added the url: speedwitchmedia.com


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Ted Culotta <speedwitchmedia@...> wrote:
I now have the web site set up for printed materials and decals (with a few exceptions.) I will add the parts in the near future and then populate the kits. The kits are last because they have not been restocked yet and will not be until near year's end. There will be a new kit offering this year (details to come as the time for release gets closer.) Anyway, if you are looking for printed materials or decals, you can access the site and order them. Note that I still need to do some tweaking on image quality in certain areas. I'm still learning on the new site software.
 
Thank you
 
Cheers,
Ted Culotta


Re: GPEX Pfaudler Steel Milk Car: proper paint color?

caboose9792@...
 

The day they passed the electrical codes that catenary preclude a standpipe. Today with OSHA and the FRA circling like sharks violating the electrical codes it isn't worth risking being shut down. The alternatives are to cut the power to the overhead or have the crews put on the appropriate PPE. Even though were talking an era with steam and freight cars, I believe this discussion has strayed out of Mr. Brocks cut-off for discussion. We better take the discussion along this line of thought off  the group.
 
Mark Rickert
 
 

In a message dated 9/22/2013 8:09:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, smithbf@... writes:
Mark,

Since when does catenary preclude a standpipe?  On the PRR, "standpipe sections" were common under catenary.  There were two components to a standpipe section (which was marked with a sign in the catenary).  These were that the wire was usually at maximum allowed height (high wire section) and that the catenary in that section could be isolated (and turned off).  The latter was accomplished with a switch at the standpipe that deactivated the catenary when the standpipe was swung over a track.  For the PRR drawing of this, please see:

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: GPEX Pfaudler Steel Milk Car: proper paint color?

caboose9792@...
 

I guess we have to disagree on several points. For starters the modifications on PAL 10 were done more than 30 years ago making them historic in there own right. Having spent the last 30 years in railroad preservation, mostly on freight cars id say this was probably one of the best reuses without major changes on the car and heck its still in mainline service. Check out some of the other IC/ICG power car modifications like the one at IRM were the door was even butchered on one side.
 
Other point was the location "Lyon, IL" its Lyons IL, the plant being across 1st avenue from Elecro-motive and Pielet Brothers locomotive scrap yard. Used to drive for UPS in that neighborhood. Most of the industry is now gone from that area.
 
 
Mark Rickert
(who has one on his "to do"pile of models)
 
 

In a message dated 9/22/2013 12:54:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, riverman_vt@... writes:
I have a photo of PAL 10 in one of my GPEX three ring binders and
keep it there as a example of how some folks can ruin good, historic equipment. But I'll take exception to the "glass lined" tank comments.
When the milk tank cars were developed beginning in 1900 with the Boston Dairy Co. cars and then Whiting Milk Co. in 1910 such tanks, whether from Elyiria, of Elyria, Ohio, or the Pfaudler Corporation,
of Rochester, NY, the tanks were as stated a glass lined tank in
which the glass was fused to the steel much like an enameling process.
By the post WW II era, if not the lae 1930's, I believe you will find that the tanks were all stainless steel and that no glass lining was needed or used.

Some of the post WW II constructed cars were, indeed, used to transport other food commodities as their milk transporting days would down. Boston based H.P. Hood & Sons, for example, used a
number of the 8,000 cafrs it had under lease to bring orange juice concentrate from its plant in Dunedin, FL to Boston into the mid-
1970's. I believe Hood was the last dairy to ship milk in such cars
and that was from Eagle Bridge, NY to Boston in 1972. The Eversweet Corp. was transporting "100% pure orange juice" from Evergreen, FL
to Lyon, IL at least as early as 1955 when its predecessor, the Scenic Citrus Corp., had GPEX #977 under lease. By the time the firm had become the Eversweet Corp. GPEX #969 was under lease. this being in March 1960. Whether cars with numbers between these were under lease I do not know. Both of these cars, however, were of the GA 52 ft. express reefer style that had seen their reefer style doors
converted to a single 2 1/2 ft. door like most of the wood sheathed
GPEX cars that kept their wood sheathing ultimately were given.
Similarly, GPEX #987, a June 1946 built 6,000 gal. car originally leased to NYC based Sheffield Farms, was by 1956 leased to Boston based Baker Chocolate for transporting liquid chocolate. Mars, Inc.,
another candy manufacturer (Milky Way) had GPEX #1066 under lease by this same date. Chateau Martin aquired a number of the later cars for wine transport, and appears to have changed their reporting marks but not their GPEX numbers. GPEX #1008, for example, had been leased to H.P. Hood & Sons for some years but was ultimately sold to Chateau Martin, becoming CMWX 1008. One of my CNR friends photographed an ex-GPEX 8,000 car along Canadian Rt. 401 in Ontario in the late 1980's bearing CGMX 680 reporting marks and painted white. I do not know who owned this car or what its original number might have been. The GM&O bought several 6,000 gal. cars for use as water cars in work service, numbered in the #66180 series if I am correct and it is these cars that seem to populate museums. Lastly, in August 1978 a postwar 6,000 gal. GPEX car under lease to the Richter Vinegar Co. was pulled off of the C&O car ferry at Manitowoc, WI so that my Ford and another automobile could be put o n the ferry to Ludington, MI. Two other GPEX cafrs leased to Richter were left on and the one pulled off presumedly went across on the next run. Upon inquiry I was told that these cars were used to transport vinegar between Manitowoc and a place in Michigan about ten miles from Ludington. Thus it appears that these cars spent more time on car ferries than in rail transport!
Needless to state, by the late 1950's such cafrs saw more service in freight trains than in passenger trains and the heat lines and air signal hoses were removed beyond the ends of the cars.

As to paint, I have the GPEX paint and lettering diagram for the GPEX cars and it clearly states that the cars were painted "Pullman Green" and that the letering was in Dulux Gold. The lettering sizes
were all called out as well and it is this diagram that the two NERS decal sets for GPEX milk cars was based upon.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Speedwitch web site

Ted Culotta
 

I now have the web site set up for printed materials and decals (with a few exceptions.) I will add the parts in the near future and then populate the kits. The kits are last because they have not been restocked yet and will not be until near year's end. There will be a new kit offering this year (details to come as the time for release gets closer.) Anyway, if you are looking for printed materials or decals, you can access the site and order them. Note that I still need to do some tweaking on image quality in certain areas. I'm still learning on the new site software.
 
Thank you
 
Cheers,
Ted Culotta


Looking for the person with the "Trainmail......" email address

J. Canfield
 

Several of you sent me notes asking me to add you to my list for upcoming kit announcements.  Someone whose email address begins with "trainmail........" asked to be added to my list.  I sent out an email closing reservations on my current kit and the email I sent to "trainmail.........." came back as no such address.  I must have copied it wrong and I've deleted those emails so could the "trainmail" person please resend me your email address for my list?  Thanks!

John Canfield
Virginia Foundry and Model Works


Re: Freight Car Kits for Sale

Misc Clark
 

what scale, Jared? Any S or O scale? Clark Cone


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:07 PM, <harperandbrown@...> wrote:
 

I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others.  E-mail for list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA



Re: Freight Car Kits for Sale

Armand Premo
 


Jared,Please send me your list.I need something to keep me busy until Prototype Rails.Regards,Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight Car Kits for Sale

 

I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others.  E-mail for list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Freight Car Kits for Sale

Mikebrock
 

Jared Harper writes:

"I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others. E-mail for list."

Perhaps Jared didn't make it clear. To get his list, Email him at his address:

harperandbrown@gmail.com

Off group.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Freight Car Kits for Sale

David Jobe, Sr.
 

Scott,

 

It’s not obvious, but it’s there.  When you click on Reply it brings up a simple message box.  Just above that on the right side is an X and to the immediate left is a small box that when you hover over it displays ‘Show More’.  Click on that box which brings up a WYSIWYG reply box and the To field.  There is a drop-down arrow at the right end of the To field that will give you several options from which to choose.

 

HTH,

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, Missouri

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of repairman87@...
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Freight Car Kits for Sale

 




I would be interested in a list but can't figure out how to reply directly to you with the new format.

 

Scott McDonald



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others.  E-mail for list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA





Re: Freight Car Kits for Sale

Scott
 

I would be interested in a list but can't figure out how to reply directly to you with the new format.


Scott McDonald



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others.  E-mail for list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Freight Car Kits for Sale

Jared Harper
 

I am selling 40 freight car kits by Intermountain, Proto2000, Sunshine, Funaro and Camerlengo, Westerfield and others.  E-mail for list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: GPEX Pfaudler Steel Milk Car: proper paint color?

Bruce Smith
 

Mark,

Since when does catenary preclude a standpipe?  On the PRR, "standpipe sections" were common under catenary.  There were two components to a standpipe section (which was marked with a sign in the catenary).  These were that the wire was usually at maximum allowed height (high wire section) and that the catenary in that section could be isolated (and turned off).  The latter was accomplished with a switch at the standpipe that deactivated the catenary when the standpipe was swung over a track.  For the PRR drawing of this, please see:

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Mark Rickert said:

 Its normally used as a canteen for the 1630 since the overhead wire precludes  putting a water column along the main.
 


Re: PRR K8 Stock Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Don,

Um, not exactly.  The K7 was quite a rare car, with only 25 or so built and none left on the roster by 1953.  Perhaps you meant the K7A?  There were nearly 1500 of these converted from X24 boxcars.  By 1953 there were some 800 on the roster (as opposed to 515 K8), but the number plunged quickly with 117 in Oct 1958, versus 497 of the K8 cars.  Of course, in the early 1960's these cars vanished, replaced by the rebuilt round roof boxcars.

With a ratio of 3 K7a to 2 K8 over most of the steam era, the K8 is an important and missing car from any PRR fleet.  As has been pointed out, they don't make up a big % of the PRR fleet, but if you model a stock train, then you need a bunch of these! 

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Don Said:
Well as to the question of how many in 1955 it would be around 500, see http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=K8 of course the K7 would be somewhere closer to double that.

Don Burn



Re: Armour Reefers for sale

Clark Propst
 

Models are sold. Box cars to come next.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: PRR K8 Stock Cars

SUVCWORR@...
 


The PRRT&HS has drawings available in its archives.  You can check them out on prrths.com

As for the number one would need to model, just looking at the percent of the PRR fleet is not going to work.  As with flat cars and to a lessor extend gons, these need to be looked at as a special purpose cars.  In the 1950's the PRR primarily moved livestock in three trains east  FW-8, NW-88 and NW-86.  The two NW trains carried hogs only east of Columbus.  FW-8 carried cattle, lambs, hogs and occasionally fowl.  If you model any of these trains you need more than the sub 1% of the fleet.  In 1953 the PRR stock are fleet was fairly evenly divided between the K7a and K8.  By 1958, the K8 the principle stock car with a ration of approximately  8:1  If you do not model any of these trains, then the occasional west bound empty might show if you are modeling the PRR mainline or if the branch you are modeling happens to have been one which generated livestock you may need one or two.

Rich Orr

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