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Re: Masking material for painting

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yup, decals placed and allowed to dry too much to refloat them.

 

Google is your friend when you’re looking for something.

 

Go to

 

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Marine/Home/Products/Catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20S4K7000000_nid=GS8MRH94Y9beN4BX5SJJFCgl

 

And click on “Store locator” on the left side, half way down the screen.  You’re on your own from there.  But when  you Google “3M 218 tape” you will see there are LOTS of places you can get it, including, of course, Amazon.

 

Schuyler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Masking material for painting

 

 


>
> wrote:
>
> Dunno what Tim uses, but the 218 green on that linked page is
> something I've used, with great results, including not lifting
> DECALS I'd put on a bit too soon . . .
>
> http://3mcollision.com/products/masking/fine-line-masking-tape
>

What????????? Presumedly you are refering to decals that had not yet been coated. Is this correct? I cannot understand why lifting them with masking tape should be an issue if they had been coated.

Lastly, is there a known regular source for this 3M product other
than a body shop? An office or art supply store, for example?

Cordially, Don Valentine.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Derrick Brashear <shadow@...>
 

New and old Rankin bridges (a.k.a. West Braddock Bridge), which makes it circa 1951. That should be the P&LE since it's the Braddock side (the West Braddock Bridge was downstream) and it's on the riverbank not further inland like the B&O was.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 

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Ah HAA! Here's another one!

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=paul%20slantis;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1379540344;subview=detail;resnum=346;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000409.pic;viewid=000409PIC.TIF

What make and model are those freight cars?

Location? (Hint: Does that look like a bridge in Pittsburgh?)

What is that load?



Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:




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Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE



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Derrick

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Derrick


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Ah HAA! Here's another one!

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=paul%20slantis;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1379540344;subview=detail;resnum=346;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000409.pic;viewid=000409PIC.TIF

What make and model are those freight cars?

Location? (Hint: Does that look like a bridge in Pittsburgh?)

What is that load?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: STMFC list
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)



Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:





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Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE






--
Derrick



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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Derrick;

Damn, you are good....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)



Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:





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Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE






--
Derrick



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Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Derrick Brashear <shadow@...>
 


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




--
Derrick


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Thanks, Bruce! Sun Oil must've gotten rid of those cars by my timeframe, but I am mystified as to why they would be running a triple up the Mon in ANY timeframe, yet we see some odd cars going that way from time to time. Like that "wine" tank car going toward the Mon on the P&WV in one of their photos on their website. It is not coincidence that Sun had a siding up the Mon. Maybe different grades of motor oil?

Those tank cars in the group do appear to be GATC, and likely GATX, too. I think they are headed to either USS Clairton by-products plant, ORRRRR, less likely, to Pennsylvania Industrial Chemical Corp. Both got insulated tank cars, the former for things like xylol and phenol shipments, and the latter for resin (for rubber and linoleum and etc) shipments. I wish I had more (and closer) pics of this wreck, and it really puts the ID on these cars for me.

This train screams "Mon Division"...

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:46 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)



Elden,

Well, SUNX 2224 is a 3 compartment tank car (count the outlets), GACT built?
CMO 39022 - C&NW Route of the 400, reweigh might be '54?
SOUTHERN 10274 -
tank car jumble - at least 4 cars. All appear to be insulated, and GATC built? I'm a bit put off by the arrangement of the safeties on the two where they can be seen. Looks like the classic opposite end of the dome for

On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

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Thanks, Derrick; I also can't figure out exactly when this was, either. This is the section where the hillside regularly shedded rocks and caused numerous derailments, but I had not seen this photo before. I was wondering if the cars could shed light on the date....

Elden Gatwood
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood



Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Bruce Smith
 

%$#@ send button - sorry did not complete the email.

Elden,

Well, SUNX 2224 is a 3 compartment tank car (count the outlets), GACT built?
CMO 39022 - C&NW Route of the 400, reweigh might be '54? Cargo?
SOUTHERN 10274 - Cargo?
tank car jumble - at least 4 cars. All appear to be insulated, and GATC built? I'm a bit put off by the arrangement of the safeties on the two where they can be seen. Looks like the classic opposite end of the dome for PTC (?) domes, but there are also a couple of other thingies up there.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

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Thanks, Derrick; I also can't figure out exactly when this was, either. This is the section where the hillside regularly shedded rocks and caused numerous derailments, but I had not seen this photo before. I was wondering if the cars could shed light on the date....

Elden Gatwood
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Bruce Smith
 

Elden,

Well, SUNX 2224 is a 3 compartment tank car (count the outlets), GACT built?
CMO 39022 - C&NW Route of the 400, reweigh might be '54?
SOUTHERN 10274 -
tank car jumble - at least 4 cars. All appear to be insulated, and GATC built? I'm a bit put off by the arrangement of the safeties on the two where they can be seen. Looks like the classic opposite end of the dome for

On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Thanks, Derrick; I also can't figure out exactly when this was, either. This is the section where the hillside regularly shedded rocks and caused numerous derailments, but I had not seen this photo before. I was wondering if the cars could shed light on the date....

Elden Gatwood
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


Re: Conoco Tank Cars

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Shay,  My SCCCo. book from 1919 (STCCo. by 1921?) lists the 8000 gal. tank as 33'-1 1/16" over the heads.  Running boards were 9'-3 1/4" x 35'-5".  Specs. for the 8050 gal. tank are 78" ID and I couldn't find the dome ID.  It just said that it should be "not less than three per cent of the volume of the tank."  The bottom sheet is listed at 31'-10 1/4". FHP (Frank H  Peacock)


To: STMFC@...
From: SHAYS@...
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:10:46 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Conoco Tank Cars

 
I have been looking at adding a little variety to my tank car fleet to offset the X-3's, AFC type 21 and Type 27's. I am looking at adding some GATC type 17's and some Standard Tank Car Company (STCC) products. I will be modeling a Conoco bulk oil facility at some point and thought that this is where I would start to add some variety. Conoco had AFC type 21 cars which Life Like produced in the silver and black paint scheme. Some of these cars went on to serve on the D&RGW and Geneva Steel in Utah. Two of those cars reside on the Heber Valley Railroad, although painted as UTLX and Sinclair.

Conoco also had cars from STCC and GATC. An example of the STCC product can be found in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume 2. CONX 5043. Somewhere on the internet I have seen pictures of two tanks CONX 5259 and 5272 rusting away. I am guessing in a museum. They look like they are a GATC product (frame similar to Type 17 but with horizontally riveted tanks). The tanks have patches on them and look to have been in some sort of interplant shuttle service. The tanks look like they could be replacements from the original tanks. D&RGW had a tank car, AX6247, which I was told was originally owned by Conoco. It had a GATC frame with a 5 vertical course tank.

This got me thinking about various options. Southern Car and Foundry has some beautiful STCC products. I was thinking about purchasing an 8,000 gallon five course tank from STCC and then mating the frame with an 8,000 gallon AFC type 27 or type 21 tank. I know that I still have to deal with the dome and a few other issues but it looks like it may come close. However, I have not been able to find any information on diameter of tank, and length of tank, or length of wheel base for STCC built cars. Could someone direct me to a car diagram or other source of information that would have this type of information for the STCC cars built around 1920? I want to determine that this is indeed feasible before I start purchasing the various kits and parts for the project.

Thanks,

Shay Stark



Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Caveats: NONE

Thanks, Derrick; I also can't figure out exactly when this was, either. This is the section where the hillside regularly shedded rocks and caused numerous derailments, but I had not seen this photo before. I was wondering if the cars could shed light on the date....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:55 PM
To: STMFC list
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That's the old Becks tower, but I've been unable to figure out when the actual event occurred.



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE






--
Derrick



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Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Derrick Brashear <shadow@...>
 

That's the old Becks tower, but I've been unable to figure out when the actual event occurred.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




--
Derrick


Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:


http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Conoco Tank Cars

SHAY STARK
 

I have been looking at adding a little variety to my tank car fleet to offset the X-3's, AFC type 21 and Type 27's. I am looking at adding some GATC type 17's and some Standard Tank Car Company (STCC) products. I will be modeling a Conoco bulk oil facility at some point and thought that this is where I would start to add some variety. Conoco had AFC type 21 cars which Life Like produced in the silver and black paint scheme. Some of these cars went on to serve on the D&RGW and Geneva Steel in Utah. Two of those cars reside on the Heber Valley Railroad, although painted as UTLX and Sinclair.

Conoco also had cars from STCC and GATC. An example of the STCC product can be found in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume 2. CONX 5043. Somewhere on the internet I have seen pictures of two tanks CONX 5259 and 5272 rusting away. I am guessing in a museum. They look like they are a GATC product (frame similar to Type 17 but with horizontally riveted tanks). The tanks have patches on them and look to have been in some sort of interplant shuttle service. The tanks look like they could be replacements from the original tanks. D&RGW had a tank car, AX6247, which I was told was originally owned by Conoco. It had a GATC frame with a 5 vertical course tank.

This got me thinking about various options. Southern Car and Foundry has some beautiful STCC products. I was thinking about purchasing an 8,000 gallon five course tank from STCC and then mating the frame with an 8,000 gallon AFC type 27 or type 21 tank. I know that I still have to deal with the dome and a few other issues but it looks like it may come close. However, I have not been able to find any information on diameter of tank, and length of tank, or length of wheel base for STCC built cars. Could someone direct me to a car diagram or other source of information that would have this type of information for the STCC cars built around 1920? I want to determine that this is indeed feasible before I start purchasing the various kits and parts for the project.

Thanks,

Shay Stark


Re: TrueLine Trains Paint

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Vallejo paints also are receiving positive reviews from modelers in my area.

 

Even though Vallejo is well established and distributed internationally I don't expect to see the Vallejo line in all the railroad hobby shops, though. One of the paint lines we are likely to see in the railroad hobby shops is Tru Color.  I say this because Tru Color is being distributed by Horizon Hobby (Athearn's parent) and I know hobby shop owners generally like to keep things simple by limiting the number of distributors they deal with.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet , CA


--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I just got some new paint from Micro-Mark that's supposed to be mixed to match the various Floquil colors. Paint is made by Vallejo, so I'm hopeful that it will work out well. Have not tried it yet.

 

Marty McGuirk 


Re: TrueLine Trains Paint

golden1014
 

 

Well...I guess I made my point. Stupid Yahoo.  Guess I need to be m-o-d-e-r-a-t-e-d.

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

John Golden

Stuck in Stupid Yahoo-Loop Land


--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Gents,

 

Speaking of True Color paint, we had a retailer at STL RPM that carried the full line, and I bought five bottles to try out.  I love it!  It's very thin, can be sprayed right out of the bottle, and the colors are excellent.  I attempted to brush paint with it and got bad results, most likely because it's so thin.  Also, be advised that normal paint thinner cannot be used to thin the paint, and I have not been able to mix this paint with any other brand to modify the colors.  I have also not been able to mix it with Glosscote or Dullcote (as I do sometimes to alter colors).  Laquer thinner works to clean your airbrush.  But I am pleased that there are finally good colors like IC Maroon and NYC BC Red that I have never been able to make satisfactorily.  Try one--I think you'll like them.

 

John Golden

O'Fallon, IL 


Re: TrueLine Trains Paint

golden1014
 

Well...I guess I made my point.  Stupid Yahoo.

 

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

 

John Golden

Stuck in Stupid Yahoo-Loop Land

 


--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Gents,

 

Speaking of True Color paint, we had a retailer at STL RPM that carried the full line, and I bought five bottles to try out.  I love it!  It's very thin, can be sprayed right out of the bottle, and the colors are excellent.  I attempted to brush paint with it and got bad results, most likely because it's so thin.  Also, be advised that normal paint thinner cannot be used to thin the paint, and I have not been able to mix this paint with any other brand to modify the colors.  I have also not been able to mix it with Glosscote or Dullcote (as I do sometimes to alter colors).  Laquer thinner works to clean your airbrush.  But I am pleased that there are finally good colors like IC Maroon and NYC BC Red that I have never been able to make satisfactorily.  Try one--I think you'll like them.

 

John Golden

O'Fallon, IL 


Re: TrueLine Trains Paint

golden1014
 

Well...I guess I made my point.  Stupid Yahoo.

 

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

Stupid Yahoo.

 

John Golden

Stuck in Stupid Yahoo-Loop Land

 


--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Gents,

 

Speaking of True Color paint, we had a retailer at STL RPM that carried the full line, and I bought five bottles to try out.  I love it!  It's very thin, can be sprayed right out of the bottle, and the colors are excellent.  I attempted to brush paint with it and got bad results, most likely because it's so thin.  Also, be advised that normal paint thinner cannot be used to thin the paint, and I have not been able to mix this paint with any other brand to modify the colors.  I have also not been able to mix it with Glosscote or Dullcote (as I do sometimes to alter colors).  Laquer thinner works to clean your airbrush.  But I am pleased that there are finally good colors like IC Maroon and NYC BC Red that I have never been able to make satisfactorily.  Try one--I think you'll like them.

 

John Golden

O'Fallon, IL 


Re: TrueLine Trains Paint

 

John

Use acetone as a thinner for Tru Color paints. My hand painting of freight car wheels and touch ups using Tru Color worked pretty good.



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

 attempted to brush paint with it and got bad results, most likely because it's so thin. Also, be advised that normal paint thinner cannot be used to thin the paint, and I have not been able to mix this paint with any other brand to modify the colors. I have also not been able to mix it with Glosscote or Dullcote (as I do sometimes to alter colors). Laquer thinner works to clean your airbrush. But I am pleased that there are finally good colors like IC Maroon and NYC BC Red that I have never been able to make satisfactorily. Try one--I think you'll like them.

John Golden

O'Fallon, IL 


Re: TrueLine Trains Paint

Marty McGuirk
 

I just got some new paint from Micro-Mark that's supposed to be mixed to match the various Floquil colors. Paint is made by Vallejo, so I'm hopeful that it will work out well. Have not tried it yet.

 

Marty McGuirk 


--- In stmfc@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote:

John, the name of the TrueLine Paint retailer is....?

Bill Welch


Re: Mystery tank car, etc.

SHAY STARK
 

While looking through Ted's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume 2 Tank Cars I noticed a car that is similar but of a larger capacity. It is a Standard Tank Car Company three compartment tank car owned by Shell, SCCX 164. The frames look the same and the domes look similar but the tank capacities are obviously different as SCCX 164 is 9,000 gallons and the tank on the car in the Delano picture looks to be a smaller capacity in the 4,000 to 6,000 gallon range.

Thanks,

Shay Stark

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "moonmuln" <jack.f.mullen@> wrote:

The recent thread and RMC article on the Barrett tank car conversions reminded me of something I'd noticed a few years ago in one of the Jack Delano OWI photos taken at Proviso Yard.
The car in question is the first of three tank cars in the block of cars beginning with a B&O wagontop boxcar. It appears to be a 6K gal tank car with three unusual domes or hatches, with light colored spills around them. Unfortunately, the best resolution I have isn't enough to clarify the details. I thought of a covered hopper conversion as a possibility, but I dunno. The car seems to be placarded as a hazardous commodity, so I think we can rule out slate granules. Is this image enough for anyone to recognize and identify?
Jack Mullen

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